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Jul-19-13 | | Gottschalk: De acordo com o site Edo Historical Ratings http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/... foram jogadas 4 partidas entre Boden e Brien no torneio London Provincial. Eu submeti a vitória de Boden na C21, mas cheegames.com se recusou a aceitá-la. Assim, continuam constando apenas 3 jogos entre Boden e Brien, na database daqui. |
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Oct-20-13 | | Karpova: A few snippets from the obituary in the February 1882 'British Chess Magazine': Page 54:
<The melancholy duty devolves upon me this week of announcing the death of Mr. S. S. Boden, which took place at his chambers in Tavistock-street, Bedford-square, on Friday morning, 13th Jan. Mr. Boden was born on the 4th of April, 1826, and consequently was not quite fifty-six years old. His health had been for some time failing, but the immediate cause of his death was typhoid fever.> <For the last four years Mr. Boden had abandoned the practice of Chess, but he always continued to cherish a deep interest in the Chess news of the day;> <I would describe him, socially, in the language which Bassanio used of Antonio:-> Page 55
<The kindest man,
The best condition'd and unwearied spirit
In doing courtesies; and one in whom
The ancient Roman honour more appears
Than any that draws breath.>
<Mr. Boden first won his spurs in 1851, when he carried off the first prize in the provincial tournament. He was never a great match player, but he was, as Captain Evans phrased it, a master of all parts of the game; and in 1857, and for some years afterwards, he was acknowledged to be the best English player.> <Chivalrous to the highest degree as a combatant, he never made idle excuses for a defeat, or depreciated the skill of an opponent.> <Mr. Boden wrote a very valuable work, entitled 'Popular Introduction to Chess' and for thirteen years conducted the chess column in the 'Field', and was the author of the article on Chess which was published in 'Chamber's Encyclopedia.' He also wrote the introduction to the 'Westminster Papers'.> <He was a water-colour painter of no mean skill, and many of his drawings would compare not unfavourably with the smaller productions of Birket Foster.> |
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May-07-15 | | TheFocus: <The pupil wants not so much to learn, as to learn how to learn> - Samuel Boden. |
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Jan-13-16 | | TheFocus: Rest in peace, Samuel Boden. |
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Jul-14-17 | | zanzibar: In Harding's thesis he notes the following to end his bio: "Then retired to concentrate on his hobby of painting." |
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Jun-13-18
 | | Stonehenge: See http://streathambrixtonchess.blogsp... |
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Jul-10-18 | | sudoplatov: For comparison with <Keypusher>'s post, I checked with the 2018 EDO estimates. Morphy 2817 #1
Lowenthal 2619 #7
de Rivière 2570 #9
Boden 2529 #13
Bird 2488 #17
Barnes 2429 #22
To put this in perspective in 1924 the equivalent rankings would yield a 5-person simul of: Lasker 2785
Reti 2608
Levenfish 2582
Johner 2558
Romanasky 2528
Bohatirchuk 2508 |
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May-14-21
 | | MissScarlett: <Did Boden ever play Barnes? Surely they must have.> From Boden's first <Field> column: T Barnes vs S Boden, 1858 |
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May-15-21
 | | MissScarlett: You wait 160 years and then two come along at once: T Barnes vs S Boden, 1858 Both employ a variation that Boden would shortly use against Morphy: Morphy vs S Boden, 1858 |
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Sep-08-22
 | | MissScarlett: <A few snippets from the obituary in the February 1882 'British Chess Magazine': Page 54:
<The melancholy duty devolves upon me this week of announcing the death of Mr. S. S. Boden, which took place at his chambers in Tavistock-street, Bedford-square, on Friday morning, 13th Jan. Mr. Boden was born on the 4th of April, 1826, and consequently was not quite fifty-six years old.>> Ancestry.com has two records for <Samuel Standidge Boden>. One is a baptismal register for the Independent chapel in East Retford, Notts. The entries are hand-written:
<Samuel Standidge, son of James and Mary Frances Boden was born 4th of May 1826, in the parish of West Retford, and baptised July 27th in the same year. Jas. Boden> Other surrounding entries are also signed <Jas. Boden>; one even ends with <and baptised....by James Boden (from Sheffield)>. So it appears that Boden's father was minister of the church/parish around this period. When Boden first emerges on the chess scene in the 1840s, he lived in Hull, so the family must have returned to Yorkshire. The other record doesn't appear in manuscript form: <Name: Samuel Standidge Boden Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 May 1825
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1826
Baptism Place: Queen St Independent OR Congregational,Sheffield,York,England Father: James Boden
Mother: Mary Frances>
<Source Information
Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.> |
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Sep-11-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Quite where the middle name “Standidge” came from is not immediately evident.> https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Bod... I'm surprised Mann didn't dig a little deeper because he would surely have identified the figure of <Sir Samuel Standidge> as being the likely source given the Hull connection: <A merchant and mariner credited with reviving the British whaling trade in the mid 18th century. After a career on the sea, he retired and made a successful business of securing government contracts to transport troops, food and equipment. This was especially lucrative in the years leading up to the war of independence in the American colonies. He also supplied troop ships and transport charters to the Russian government during the Russian Turkish War in 1789. He was awarded a Russian knighthood and other treasures for his service to the Russian government. Standidge was the Sheriff of Hull, later an Alderman and eventually the Mayor. He lived at No.1 High Street and his house still stands in the Old Town of Hull. He entertained the British Prince, William of Gloucester, and was knighted by King George III in 1795. Sir Standidge is buried in the north aisle of the church and is commemorated by a white marble memorial wall plaque. (Information gleaned from a biography published in Wildridge, T. Tindall,1884, "Old and New Hull", published by MC Peck & Son, Hull, p 37 to 40)> https://www.findagrave.com/memorial... But what's the familial connection?
Mann notes that Boden's mother was <Mary Frances Boden (née Thornton, 1800/01, Hull; only daughter of John Thornton of Hull)>. An online family tree reveals Mary Standidge (1751-1821), a daughter of Samuel, married John Thornton in 1769: https://www.myheritage.com/names/ma...
So was this Boden's grandfather?
Unlikely given that his mother was born, according to Mann, in 1800/1 which would make Mary Standidge, 49/50 years old at the time. Also the circumstance, that John Thornton must have died long before, because Mary, according to the family tree, was remarried in 1788 to James Thornton, presumably John's brother. So I surrmise that one of Mary / John's children (said to number four) was another John Thornton (born in the early-mid 1770s) and it was he who fathered Mary Frances. All of which means, if correct, that <Sir Samuel Standidge> was Samuel Boden's great-great grandfather. If I had a myheritage subscription, I would be able to definitely confirm this. |
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Sep-11-22 | | stone free or die: <<Karpova> <He was a water-colour painter of no mean skill, and many of his drawings would compare not unfavourably with the smaller productions of Birket Foster.>> https://www.invaluable.com/artist/b... stonehenge's link might be better:
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogsp... |
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Sep-11-22
 | | Dionysius1: Good name for a boat. |
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Sep-13-22 | | stone free or die: Samuel Standidge Boden McBoatface? |
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Sep-14-22
 | | Dionysius1: SS Boden McBoatface if you like |
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Sep-14-23
 | | MissScarlett: His entry in <Victorian Painters> (4e, 2008) by Christopher Wood: <London landscape painter. Exhib. 1865-73 at SS and elsewhere. A work by him is in the BM.> They give his dates as 1826-1896, although he died in 1882. <SS> refers to the Society of British Artists, Suffolk Street (as was): https://www.royalsocietyofbritishar... <BM> is British Museum. |
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Sep-14-23
 | | MissScarlett: Boden's work in the British Museum:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle... https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle... https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle... https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle... https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle... |
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Jan-22-25
 | | MissScarlett: C.N. 12094:
<Boden took a number of years to come to his best as a player, his peak arriving in 1858. In 1851, he won the London “Provincial” tournament. He beat Rev. John Owen convincingly in a match in 1858, but his match play successes were otherwise limited. His reputation seems to have exceeded his actual achievements. Morphy’s description of him in 1858 as the strongest English player can be valid only if one excludes Löwenthal on the grounds that he was not naturalized until 1866, and Staunton, because he had retired, since it could be argued that both were stronger than Boden in 1858.> Where did Morphy state that he considered Boden the strongest English player (or, at least, the strongest he faced)? The claim is made in C. A. Buck's <Paul Morphy: His Later Life> (1902) and also in Lawson's biography - I suspect Lawson is uncritically echoing Buck, even though he himself listed numerous examples where Buck's account was factually incorrect or unsubstantiated. Edge, of course, would be the obvious source, but I drew a blank. |
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Jan-22-25 | | stone free or die: <Missy>, being cryptic as usual, doesn't supply who actually wrote the content of the quoted material - I believe it's <John Townsend>, who sent his Boden notes to Winter for publication. You can both Boden's peak prowess, and his precipitous decline in performance, reflected in his EDO rating: http://www.edochess.ca/players/p25....
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Jan-22-25 | | stone free or die: Compare to EDO's rating chart for Loewenthal:
http://www.edochess.ca/players/p11....
(It would be nice if EDO had the ability to overlay the rating charts for two players for comparison purposes) |
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Jan-23-25
 | | keypusher: <SFOD> Boden’s Edo rating appears to be based on a very small number of games, over half of them in a single year. During his “decline” he doesn’t seem to be playing at all, at least as far as Edo is concerned. The first half of Loewenthal’s decline appears to have occurred over the board, though he, too, seems to have hardly played after 1867, at least according to Edo. Thanks to the efforts of people here (including you!) it seems like more 19th century games are being added. Maybe Edo could be improved upon? |
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Jan-23-25
 | | keypusher: <Where did Morphy state that he considered Boden the strongest English player (or, at least, the strongest he faced)?> When I first played over Morphy's games, then not in terms of results, but in terms of how closely contested individual games were, Boden seemed to be as competitive with Morphy as anyone. At his peak I think he was a pretty strong player. |
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Jan-23-25 | | stone free or die: <kp> As always, thanks for keeping me honest! Yes, you're right, I did overlook the fact that Boden essentially retired soon after his peak rating - and EDO used very few games to gauge his decline. Rod Edwards is very receptive to contributions, and I know he's benefited from input from many people, like Tim Harding, etc. As Edwards says:
<I have been systematically mining 19th century sources that are available to me, but have reached only to 1875 so far for most of them, to 1876 for some of the British sources, and 1878 for the Illustrated London News column. For early German and Dutch sources I have systematically covered up to 1871 so far. I plan to continue deep coverage of the 19th century mainly from primary sources, but may continue to extend shallower coverage of early 20th century events> http://www.edochess.ca/Edo.explanat...
Back to Boden. We all agree that inactivity = decline in play. The question is how much? Glicko's rating system, for example, strongly emphasizes this. I suppose it would be interesting to gauge Boden's post-1860 (say) play vs. his projected decline as a measure, despite the low stastics. Anyway, I don't intend this to be an entire thesis - but I think I will go back and check EDO for some other players with long periods of inactivity - e.g. Morphy and Lasker, to compare. * * * * *
As far as Boden's peak goes, again relying on EDOchess, he didn't make the top-10 list for the decade 1855-1865: http://www.edochess.ca/top.graphs/g... . |
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Jan-23-25
 | | perfidious: <zed....I don't intend this to be an entire thesis....> The 'thesis' here lies in Edwards' exposition of Edo, which can be off-putting to someone like myself who is merely curious as to how much weight inactivity is given in this model, as opposed to that of Sonas', which selectively punishes it, in some instances severely so. |
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Jan-24-25 | | stone free or die: Yes, <perf>, Edwards addresses this very point, and the text is dense. I won't trouble the forum with an extensive quote, but it's under the heading: <A note on comparison to the new Chessmetrics ratings> http://www.edochess.ca/Edo.explanat...
I will quote his brief comment on comparing the two systems for Lasker: <Note, for example, the periodic dramatic drops in Chessmetrics ratings for Lasker, in periods where he was not active. On resuming active play, his Chessmetrics rating always rapidly pulls up again to a level similar to where it was before the gap, suggesting that in reality, his strength had been at that level all through the gap. <[Now that the Edo ratings extend into the 20th century, however, it is interesting to note that Lasker's Edo rating drops significantly between 1899 and 1903, only to rise again by 1914 to a level similar to his 1899 level. Thus, at least one of the drops in Lasker's rating seen in Chessmetrics also appears here. This actually reflects weaker results in this period, especially at Cambridge Springs 1904. (Feb. 2014)]>> |
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