< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
|Mar-17-06|| ||whiskeyrebel: What about Pupols and his 1-0 against Bobby? It's right here in the data base...doesn't that count? Just curious.|
|Mar-17-06|| ||Jim Bartle: What if I'd played Clara Kasparova when she was pregnant with Garry? Would that count as a victory of GK?|
There has to be some limit. For example, lifetime records between tennis players start when they turn pro. Junior and college matches don't count.
|Mar-17-06|| ||Appaz: <<Tigran Petrosian> He created some weird quotes like this; "chess is mental masturbation". Now that's weired.> That is not weird, although I would say that chess is <intellectual> masturbation. The pleasure of winning can surley compete with...it.|
|Mar-17-06|| ||RookFile: Tony Santasiere is another example. He's interesting because his victory came in 1957, and as we all know, Fischer was getting good that year.|
|Apr-25-08|| ||Petrosianic: <FischerFan124> <did you know that Abe Turner is the only American to have a winning record against Bobby Fischer?>|
Well, sort of. He's the only one <of any consequence>. There are several others that you probably never heard of, like Lt. Cmdr. Herbert Avram, Charles Henin, Ken Warner, and maybe one or two more.
Here's a cute stat. Turner is the only player that Fischer ever faced in US Championship play without defeating (but since their entire US Championship experience consists of one 18 move GM draw, that's not saying a whole lot).
Another cute stat. Based on that one game, Turner is one of two people that Fischer faced in the US Championship without achieving a winning record against. (The other was Robert Byrne, whose championship record against Fischer was somewhat better than Turner's: +1-1=4).
Turner played in the 1961/2 US Championship just before he died, but none of those games seem to be in the database yet.
|Apr-25-08|| ||Petrosianic: <Shah Mat> <Maybe the Secret Service DID tell him to kill him. It wouldnt be the dirtiest trick US govt had pulled.>|
Oh yeah, the Secret Service assasinates pudgy middle-aged chessplayers all the time.
But don't they usually do it themselves, rather than ask freelance clerk/typists to do it for them? Even as conspiracy theories go, this one's pretty nutty.
|Apr-25-08|| ||Petrosianic: Evans had a column a few years back about Turner having appeared on a game show (<You Bet Your Life>, maybe?), and someone having sent him the tape. Does anyone remember this?|
|Apr-25-08|| ||Bishoprick: I think I remember Abe telling me he had come to chess quite late, as an adult. I don't know how accurate the story is, or how faulty my memory is, but I believe he said that he had been wounded in the early days of the war (WWII) and had to spend considerable time in the hospital. Although he didn't know how to play chess, someone brought him a chess book which he read very carefully. When he came out of the hospital he began playing chess and found that he was quite strong, particularly when playing rapids and/or for money, usually up at Fischer's NY Chess and Checkers Club.
Anyone know whether this is true? Even if it isn't, its a nice story. I wonder what the book was. I sure could use it :-)|
|May-29-08|| ||wrap99: in evans' chess catechism, the story of his learning the game as a wounded veteran is told.|
|May-30-08|| ||IMlday: According to Duncan and Dobrila Suttles (who only talked about it after Fischer's death) young Bobby considered Abe Turner as his major mentor and father figure. Turner's mysterious death was influential in Bobby's switch from atheistic Nitscheism to Herbert Armstrong's popular radio cult 'Worldwide Church of God'.|
|May-30-08|| ||MichAdams: So what was the name of the killer? Or is it some sort of secret?|
|May-30-08|| ||MichAdams: <Nitscheism [sic]>|
|May-30-08|| ||IMlday: (Toronto Star May 3 2008):
"...Trusting that they wouldn't
blab to the "creepy" media, Fischer opened up about some mysteries in his life. One was
the split with his mother at age 16. According to Fischer this was when he was introduced to conspiracy theory. The Communist plot to take over the world was elaborated to him,
and that he had a role to play in combatting it. The problem: his mother, Regina, was herself a Communist. That motivated the family break which lasted until the 1980s. Of his mentors, Fischer considered Abe Turner was his main influence as "father figure". It
spooked Bobby greatly in 1962 when Turner was stabbed to death by ex-mental patient Theodore Smith. The murderer claimed the Secret Service had ordered it because Turner was
a Communist spy. That mysterious death was the catalyst in Fischer switching his religious views from atheistic Nietzscheism to Herbert Armstrong's radio ministry..."
|May-30-08|| ||keypusher: Thanks, <IMlday>, very interesting stuff.|
|May-30-08|| ||MichAdams: Was Horowitz aware that Smith was a former mental patient?|
|May-30-08|| ||IMlday: One could also wonder if Turner knew the guys trailing Regina Fischer were F.B.I.?|
The Turner story I knew was that during the Reshevsky-Najdorf match Sammy's friends hired Turner to keep the Argentine wizard up all night playing five-minute blitz.
|May-30-08|| ||RookFile: Well, if that happenned, Najdorf deserved to lose. That's just plain silly.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||wrap99: <Tigran Petrosian> If he created the quote about chess being mental masturbation, that is indeed remarkable. Because I have heard the term "mental masturbation" or variant used not about chess but about other non-productive mental activities, like an argument about some topic that maybe neither participant cared about the outcome as much as the argument. Anyhow, imagine he is the first person to have used the term "mental masturbation." Should contact Oxford English Dictionary or someplace that keeps track of this kind of thing.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||norami: Masturbation is physical chess.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||wrap99: Interesting link: https://literalminded.wordpress.com...|
Looks like our fellow chess player came up with an alternative interpretation. I think he improved very much upon the original.
|Aug-03-18|| ||MissScarlett: Very occasionally now, <Chess Notes> still turns up something interesting. |
C.N. 10941: <Steve Wrinn (Homer, NY, USA) notes that the brief scene featuring Abe Turner in the film A Bowl of Cherries...>
Re, C.N. 10932 (not yet indexed but see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...), it's the discrepancies that catch the eye. The <NYT> report from <CN 1311> identified the killer as <Theodore Weldon Smith>, a 35 year-old handyman, whereas in other reports he was also <Ross Smith>, 38 years-old, and was employed as a clerk-typist. A couple of papers helpfully inform that he was a <Negro>.
Unfortunately, as with the <Raymond Weinstein> case, there's no sign of a subsequent trial, and Smith, presumably, was confined to a mental institution, and the trail goes entirely cold.
|Aug-03-18|| ||MissScarlett: In that clip, Turner bears more than a passing resemblance to <Harvey Weinstein>.|
|Aug-05-18|| ||MissScarlett: Wondering how Turner may have got this extra gig, I looked at the cast/crew list (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt197582...) and <George Edgar> as producer struck me as the most likely possibility. So far, so dead end, but then I just happened upon: Fischer - Reshevsky (1961) (kibitz #2)|
<George Paul Edgar> was married to the actress https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0173125/. But was he the producer of <A Bowl of Cherries>?
|Aug-16-18|| ||Granny O Doul: <Airlock: I read this story about Turner. Apparently Turner used to win games by getting ahead material, exchanging all the pieces, and winning in the endgame. Someone made the comment that the only time Turner was happy was when he was a rook up and it was his move. So some people started composing problems in which one side was a rook up, it was their turn to move, and the game was lost.>|
That's almost right, but substitute Hans Berliner for Abe Turner.
|Nov-15-19|| ||MissScarlett: <Re. C.N. 10932 (not yet indexed but see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...), it's the discrepancies that catch the eye. The <NYT> report from <CN 1311> identified the killer as <Theodore Weldon Smith>, a 35 year-old handyman, whereas in other reports he was also <Ross Smith>, 38 years-old, and was employed as a clerk-typist. A couple of papers helpfully inform that he was a <Negro>.>|
The report in the <Daily News> (New York), October 26th 1962, reproduced in <CN 10932> that spoke of <Ross Smith>, 38 years-old, employed as a clerk-typist, was contradicted in the following day's edition, agreeing with the <NYT> of the same day (i.e., the 27th), as cited in <CN 1311>, that the killer was <Theodore Weldon Smith>, a 35 year-old handyman. It also carried a picture of <Smith>...
It's hard to conceive why a chess publication would require a full-time handyman, so perhaps he was only employed on a part-time or ad hoc basis, or that <handyman> was a euphemism for <dogsbody>.
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·