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|Aug-05-04|| ||poktirity: My little sister has never lost a single game either and she is not world champion... ;) |
|Aug-06-04|| ||siggemannen: <acirce>, it's funny how much crap you have to stand because you like kramnik. I must tell you, he's my favorite player too, because he plays the chess that is the best chess for him, not for everybody else |
|Aug-06-04|| ||acirce: Yes, it's amazing how much whining there is, when the Kramnik-Leko match starts I suspect it's going to be unbearable.. |
|Dec-20-05|| ||DeepBlade: Did this guy invented the Gedult's Opening (1.d3)?
I play this opening against relative beginners (ELO 900-1000) with Fried Fox/Hammerschlag setup, 1.d3 2.Kd2
|Dec-20-05|| ||TheAlchemist: <DeepBlade> Not quite. Gedult's Opening is 1.f3. 1.d3 is the Mieses Opening, as far as I know.|
|Dec-20-05|| ||DeepBlade: <TheAlchemist> True,I messed up
1.f3 is Gedult's Opening
1.f3 2.Kf2 is the Hammerslag/Fried Fox opening. Thanks for correcting me.
With his opening, I just move all my pieces off the 1st and 2nd rank. Regard it as an investment for gigantic center control ;)
|May-08-06|| ||elahevad: He's played the Blackmar Diemer a good bit as white, I've seen many more of his games than represented here. HEYA CHESSGAMES, how about you find a way to identify the Blackmar Diemer Gambit other than "Queen's Pawn Game". I'm sure it has it's own eco if you look hard enough....|
|May-23-06|| ||DeepBlade: Gedult means ''patience'' in Dutch, and thats a prequisite if you want to play 1.f3!|
Openings like this really test your chess skills. It sharpens your senses, you concentrate on good lines, because your opponent has already begun conducting an attack! A real hustler's opening.
(also its very fun to mess around with 1200 rated players...)
|Jan-07-07|| ||Benzol: Good record but just how strong was he?|
|Jul-06-07|| ||whiteshark: I once read all of his games were rapid games with 15 mins.
So, really worth studying.
|Jul-06-07|| ||Wilson H. L.: http://www.mjae.com/gedult.html
A truly interesting page in french about Gedult. Enjoy!
|Jul-03-08|| ||whiteshark: Born May 10, 1897|
|Aug-19-08|| ||myschkin: . . .
meditiert über das Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
|Nov-04-08|| ||Sem: Funny how ill Gedult's name fits his style (German 'Geduld' = patience).|
|Nov-13-10|| ||whiteshark: <Opening of the Day <Gedult Attack <1. d4 Nf6 2. f3 d5 3. g4>>> Opening Explorer|
|Dec-30-10|| ||GrahamClayton: Here is another Gedult game:
[White "Gedult, David"]
[Black "Przibyczevski, P"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Qe7 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. d4 Nxd4 6. Nxd4 exd4 7. Qxd4 c6 8. O-O cxb5 9. e5 Ng8 10. Nd5 Qd8 11. Qc3 Rb8 12. Nc7+ Ke7 13. Re1 d5 14. exd6+ Kd7 15. Qh3+ Kc6 16. Qf3+ Kd7 17. Qf5+ Kc6 18. Qxb5+ Kxd6 19. Bf4#
|May-07-12|| ||Cibator: <Benzol: "... just how strong was he?">: Good enough to beat the up-and-coming 17-year-old Aldo Haik in 1970 (refer the French article cited by <Wilson H L>).|
According to his own account in "Chess" c1967, the opening that bears his name came about after Gunderam recommended he try the sequence 1.d4 d5 2.f3, etc. Then the lightbulb moment: "why the heck shouldn't I play 1.f3 straight off?" He annotated a couple of wins with it (neither of them against anyone you might have heard of) that demonstrated, if nothing else, his excellent command of idiomatic English.
|Feb-24-13|| ||dorsnikov: David Lonsdale from Canada has a great monograph out on the Gedault/Hammerslag opening. I,ve used it successfully against a strong player.|
|Feb-24-13|| ||PawnSac: <siggemannen: I mean, check out games 15 and 18, it's the same game >|
It would not be unusual to encounter duplicate games when a person plays a particular line frequently. For example, I play QGA a lot, and so have encountered the following position numerous times:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e3 b5 4. a4 c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Qf3 resigns
since 6. ..Nc6 (best move) 7. Qxc6+ Bd7 8. Qa6 and white is up a piece and the win is a matter of technique.
But this is what i would consider a standard opening trap lower class players easily fall into.
|Feb-24-13|| ||PawnSac: <Dick Brain: Gedult went 12-0 in this collection and his longest game is 18 moves. What's his secret? >|
Well <Dick Brain>, if only his wins are submitted, that's a start.
It's not a complete collection of all his games.
|Feb-24-13|| ||PawnSac: <Benzol: Good record but just how strong was he?>|
<whiteshark: I once read all of his games were rapid games with 15 mins. So, really worth studying.>
There are 28 games in the database, so it is obvious these are not all his games.
As for the 100% win record, this is not a competition performance evaluation.
I could present several hundred wins with some very interesting mates and so forth,
but that alone is not an accurate measure of my playing strength. Strength is only
measured against strong competition, but the games in the database for the most part
seem to be against middle class players, not experts and masters. And if only one's
wins are provided, it would not be a realistic representation.
Deimer considered him a "talented student".
Yet there are no games between Deimer and Gedult in the database.
He played correspondence with Gunderam, yet none of those games are in the database.
He embraced the opening repetoire of Gunderam, Deimer, Meises.
He liked to write about chess as much as he liked to play.
What can we conclude from this?
He no doubt spent a lot of time analyzing the BDG and KGA/KGD as well as many other gambit lines that were popular in the Romantic era of chess. Such being the case, one would expect him to have a good collection of wins with these lines. Yet his play is not merely
artificial. He demonstrates at least an expert/candidate master level of play.
Therefore, i would have to guess that what we have in the chessgames database is a catalog of opening mistakes. That is to say, his personal games that illustrate the opening errors in the lines he preferred, and probably about which he wrote chess articles. Since they were published, they were recorded, and therefore in the database. And if he was not an
all around "master", he seems to be at least a class A (1900-1999) or candidate master (2000-2199)
They are a good secondary source of "idea variations" and tactical refutations for errors in these particular openings, especially against lesser players.
If his games were all 15 min rapid, it would still represent a reasonably sound source of analysis/games since they would reflect more than random OTB play. His "pet" lines and extensive work in them would constitute a good source of understanding of the openings. Especially if we consider that he probably played the same lines regularly in chess clubs and cafes.
|Jul-29-13|| ||Sem: Is there a game Gedult - Petrosian?|
|Jul-29-13|| ||DoctorD: Gedult was of about what we would say is expert strength today. He was successful in getting his coffeehouse games published in magazines like Schach-Echo in the 1970s. They were fun, flashy games in contrast to the theory-heavy games of the grandmasters.|
|Jul-11-14|| ||waustad: Here is the alternative to Geduld (forgive the spelling issue, but Wunderlich makes averything work better): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcCq...|
|Jun-03-18|| ||Gejewe: The best way to find out about David Gedult's chess strenght is to ask players from the Paris region that were around these days. As a junior I was impressed by the wide range of experimental openings this player shows and his tactical ingenuity. When getting somewhat older and more experienced in chess I began to have
The Dutch master Hans Böhm wrote about Gedult and other Paris chessplayers he met during a chesstrip to Paris in the early 1970ties. Something like Gedult was a player who was looking for compensation for the handfull of
pieces besides the board for most of the time. Which reads as a very aggressive and sacrificial, but
not a very succesfull player. ;-)
And that is exactly what several Paris chessplayers have confirmed. In many ways this old pensioner - supposedly he had a small cigar-shop in his working days - was a highflyer. First of all his hard to believe stories about sensational chessgames with sheiks the days he did service with the Foreigners Legion.
But what many Paris chessplayers did not know, and certainly did not like when they found out, is that Gedult played an enormous amount of blitzgames, against virtually all comers, and published his wins. Well, in fact quite a few of these wins did not materialize the way you would expect them to. I spoke with players
that won their games with Gedult, pointed out some combination afterwards and were later confronted with this moveorder (and a loss) when the game was published in Schachecho.
Or Gedult analysed some wild gambit variation at the chess café, some player assisted him and eventually found himself on the receiving end of a brilliant combination in a published game.
More than once Gedult was confronted with his making up of "brilliant" games, but was also talented in playing the confused old man. Which most of the time resulted in players forgiving him for it and forgetting about the whole thing.
The moment I began having my doubts was after seeing a whole series of Gedult games starting out 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 6.Qh5+ g6 7.Bf7+ Kd8 8.Bxg6! and many turbulent sacrificial ideas. Only a few players were aware of this kind of generally unknown line, and Gedult suddenly played against half a dozen Latvian gambit experts in one playing
session ! Next time, a whole series of Kings Indian Four pawn attacks with a early e5.. popped up from nowhere...
Paris players told me that Gedult often suggested to analyse some interesting line by playing a range of blitzgames..
So these games really prove that you should not believe everything that you see ! It is not clear what has been played (in blitz) and what has been made up. But keeping this in mind we can also be grateful to a certain extent that Mr. Gedult has composed these chess fairytales for us !
A final note it seems that his name was not pronounced by his French chess colleagues as German Gedult but as if there was an "Umlaut" on the U.
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