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| Apr-21-06 | | Jim Bartle: Leaving Mr. Winter aside for the moment, Eric, it's been suggested I ask this question of you. It's related to a question of whether a player will ever reach a 3000 ELO: Say a new player, named perhaps Sidd Fincherov, plays in a double round-robin tournament with seven other players, each rated 2730. He scores 100%. What would his ELO become? |
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| Apr-21-06 | | TIMER: <Jim Bartle> You can check FIDE website http://www.fide.com/ratings/calcula... for that. An unrated player would get an initial rating of 2730 + 14(12.5) = 2905 for that. By the 350 point rule, someone rated 3080+ would still gain 15.4 points, that is there is no limit to how high a rating he could get up to time. U-> 2905 -> 3000 if he does it again a second season, as still would have k=25. By the way the way rating inflation is going unless something is done to stop it, 3000 will be reached eventually. |
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| Apr-21-06 | | southpawjinx: Greetings Mr Schiller- It has been a little while since we last spoke, which was at the HB Global Chess Challenge 2005. Here are some of the results I had in the tournament plus a pic I took with you. http://www.clarkcountychessclub.com... Good luck overseas!! |
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Apr-22-06
 | | ray keene: <pazzedpaun> i see you are interested in botvinniks book of the 1941 absolute ussr championship-its published under the title of championship chess and you can order it via the hardingesimpole website www.hardingesimpole.co.uk of course the uscf and chesscafe wont stock it since its a hardinge simpole boycottted book-only one of the best tournament books ever written -a true classic-i learnt a huge amount from it myself when i was a teenager. other hardinge simpole books boycotted by the uscf include
clarke on tal
clarke on petrosian
any book by dr eric schiller
wade on soviet chess
wade on petrosian -botvinnik 1963
wade on fischer
as well as books by alekhine nimzowitsch reti larsen capablanca fine euwe and marshall and reshevsky. lord hardinge the Godson of the Queen has tried to interest chesscafe and the uscf in taking hardinge simpole books but in spite of the numerous classics published by them both chesscafe and the uscf have turned him down. i tried to find the goldowski spoof ( an extract of which was quoted here) from april 1 on chesscafe but the links did not work-i think that they too have realised that this was poorly written, in bad taste,not funny at all and possibly libellous. if it is still up can someone pls point me in the right direction so that i can peruse the whole sorry mess. i shd add here that dr schiller has once again been invited as chief arbiter to the 4th staunton memorial in the uk this summer. the second half will be combined with the NATO championship 2006. it baffles me why the uscf and chesscafe instead of recognising dr schiller as a national asset and a credit to his country, popular and respected around the world, continue to attack and boycott him and his work. who elects these people? |
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Apr-22-06
 | | Joshka: <Eric Schiller> Surprising to read about your mess with the USCF. I have a few of your books, and hadn't realized that I must have purchased them at chess tourneys across the country I have attended, rather than directly from the USCF. It's sad to hear you have to go to work in Europe as an arbiter and cannot in USCF events!? Is there a special course or class that the USCF requires, or is it just politics as usual with these folks? Reading some of the background info on Jude Acers, now yourself, how many other Masters are on the "persona non grata" list at USCF headquarters?? How disgusting! Thanks in advance. |
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Apr-22-06
 | | Eric Schiller: <Joshka> The USCF has its own rules and its own certification procedures. At one time I applied to take a test for "Senior" TD, but the test was filled with wrong questions and answers and I threw it out, then sat down with the guy who wrote it and explained all of his errors. Former USCF President Harold Winston promised me that the USCF would award me an Assistant National TD title in recognition of my directing events for decades, but he never followed through. I do not use any USCF rules, I use FIDE rules for all events, because find that the differences are significant and that USCF rules are in each case inferior. I favor the elimination of the provincial USCF rules in favor of the universally accepted standard rules, which are the basis of my book The Official Rules of Chess, which the USCF hates because I give the real rules of chess as played all over the world and not the USCF version which is designed to maximize profits for organizers even though the rules are burdensome for players. But despite the certification issues, I have in the past been involved with U.S. Championships and have often been brought in to settle disputes that arise at USCF events. The real skills needed by an arbiter involve diplomacy. Memorizing a rulebook is not important. When I make a ruling I always show the player the rule as written in the rulebook, on the grounds that if they disagree with me they wouldn't take my word for it anyway! I instruct arbiters who work with me to do the same. BTW, the USCF remains in violation of FIDE rules by allowing its own provincial rules to be used for FIDE-rated events. They negotiatied a political deal to continue to do that after I pushed for compliance in 1998. |
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| Apr-22-06 | | Skeptic1972: < as well as books by alekhine nimzowitsch reti larsen capablanca fine euwe and marshall and reshevsky. > Oh, come on, Mr. Keene.
It is one thing to say that the USCF is unfair to Eric Schiller or yourself, which might be the case. It's quite another thing to say the USCF is deliberately boycotting classic books written by world champions (or those nearly as strong). It's true not all of the books written by these players are offered, but there is a much simpler explanation: even the most recent of them (Larsen's) must be decades old. Chess stores, especially general-purpose online stores, usually offer only a limited selection of older chess books, even if they are classics. Just because a book isn't offered doesn't mean it's "boycotted"--there are thousands upon thousands of chess books, the vast majority of them isn't offered. I couldn't find Staunton's or Philidor's books there, either--does this mean USCF is boycotting them? |
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Apr-22-06
| | ray keene: <skeptic72> yes the uscf and chesscafe boycott all hardinge simpole books-the larsen book may be old but its a classic book by a great player and hardinge simpole has sole rights to publish-it sells well outside uscf/chesscafe circles--ditto books by staunton and philidor-hardinge simpole do publish them but the uscf and chess cafe do boycott them! take a look at the hardingesimpole website www.hardingesimpole.co.uk
and then contact the uscf or chesscafe and see if they take a single one of them-i wd be very happy to hear that they did. |
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Apr-24-06
| | Joshka: <Eric Schiller> <differences are significant and that USCF rules are in each case inferior> Never realized this pompous stand on rules by the USCF! This reminds me, when I was in 8th or 7th grade, teachers were trying to get us to learn the "metric" system, saying us Americans were one of the only country's still using the archaic "inch, feet, yard" system. They stated that within 10 years this old system will not be used in America anymore, so we might as well learn it now! That was 43 years or so ago, and we're still going at a snail's pase introducing the metric system. Never realized the arrogance we have here even spilled over to chess rules! Thanks for the revelations! |
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| Apr-27-06 | | schnarre: Politics as usual I'm afraid....... |
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| Apr-27-06 | | weary willy: Keene: <yes the uscf and chesscafe boycott all hardinge simpole books> How do you explain this, GM ... why the "boycott"? Is it because of some dispute between you and those sites? Thought it was only (former) British Chess Federation with which you were in dispute?! |
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| Apr-27-06 | | Drifter: <Jim Bartle: Leaving Mr. Winter aside for the moment, Eric, it's been suggested I ask this question of you. It's related to a question of whether a player will ever reach a 3000 ELO: > I read somewhere that the Fide rating system has inflated by around 100 points since it first began. It seems that eventually players will reach 3000. I find it interesting that the required rating to gain a GM title has not changed despite the inflation. Instead the top 20 or so have been unofficially dubbed "super-Grandmasters" I think they should lift the GM rating norm needed to 2600, or else whats next, superduper GM's? |
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Apr-27-06
| | ray keene: <weary willy> its hard to explain-i suspect its due to the influence of winter still pervading chesscafe and its reviewers even tho the proprietor and winter clearly had some sort of falling out-many of his old prejudices remain-even tho winter himself was thrown out as a contributor. for example hardinge simpole is partly owned by julian simpole who used to be a teacher at ed winters old school cardinal newman in hove nr brighton julian used to beat the schoolboy winter who was around 18 in 1973 with his eyes shut and some jealousy may still rankle-tho why chesscafe shd exclude books by alekhine larsen botvinnik etc which are very hard to buy elsewhere really puzzles me.i think they wd sell like hot cakes myself-they do well in malcolm peins store in london if ever you are there-cheers! |
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Apr-28-06
 | | offramp: I am puzzled by the mechanics of the chesscafé bookshop; I thought that they did not physically hold all the books they offer for sale. Just like I don't think Amazon has a physical depository with millions of books in it. If they don't store the books themselves then I can't see why they don't offer them for sale. I mean acting as a point-of-sale. I am sure such a restrictive policy would not be allowed in the EU. That would surely be an example of restraint of trade. I am not a lawyer, though. |
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Apr-28-06
| | ray keene: <offramp> i dont know if it wd be restraint of trade-i think a retailer has the right to order any product they want-whether they order sensibly or not in banning books by the greats which only hardinge simpole publishes-eg larsens best games by larsen -a modern classic-is another matter.i dont know if chesscafe warehouses stock or not-you cd try asking the uscf! btw what is your interesting avatar? |
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Apr-28-06
| | offramp: The avatar is called Crowley Larry & Moe. Curley has been replaced by Aleister Crowley in the Three Stooges line-up. Crowley was a good poet and a fair chess-player and a yogi. He has had a bad press... You can own a bookshop with 0 books - like Monty Python's Cheeseshop. If anyone comes in for a book you can promise to have it tomorrow; and I thought that was how internet sites like Amazon worked. I mean that a site that offered books about, say, furniture, could have a page offering for sale a crate of lager and it is no skin off their nose. If someone orders it they send an email to the lager-seller and take a small commission. I thought that was the way the internet worked!
I agree that there is probably no 'restraint of trade' involved but there might be a violation of some other EU law... The site has the capacity to advertize the product but will not do so, even at zero cost. I often go to Pein's shop at Warren Street and I know that Hardinge-Simpole's books are extremely high quality. |
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Apr-28-06
| | ray keene: <offramp> yes of course chess cafe cd advertise hardinge simpole books and only commit once they had orders-its obvious but they wont-inspite of personal approaches by lord hardinge pointing out that HS have preserved many classics which wd otherwise be out of print-thanks for your kind words re hardinge simpole books in general--in 1971 i was in the process of organising an aleister crowley memorial dinner at my college trinity cambridge when i was called away to an international tournament-and the dinner project never materialised |
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| Apr-28-06 | | AgentRgent: <southpawjinx: (via link) Rockford Watson winning a class prize in the Under 1400 section ($1,000) after finishing with 3½/9> Is this a typo? 3½/9 took first? |
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| Apr-28-06 | | refutor: <agentrgent...is this a typo> not if it was an open tournament with class prizes, not a sectional tournament |
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| Apr-28-06 | | AgentRgent: <refutor> Sure, but I suspect it's a typo since the next paragraph states <The other two members were Walter Churchill (Under 1800) who finished with 2/9 and Alex Rubio (Under 1400) who finished with 4/9> Obviously Rubio's 4/9 in Under1400 would have given him the class prize. |
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Apr-28-06
| | Eric Schiller: <drifter> I don't think any player will ever legitimately reach 3000. There would have to be a lot of players over 2850 to make that happen. Indeed, 3000 represents a level of near perfection, something even Garry Kasparov couldn't manage. |
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| Apr-29-06 | | Drifter: <Eric Schiller> Perhaps I don't really understand the mathamatics of inflation. You don't think the system will continue to inflate? |
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| Apr-29-06 | | JOHNNY YORK: Hello everyone, new to the board and this topic. Can someone give me a quick recap of what is going on? Why is Mr.Schiller and Keene being boycotted by the USCF? Thanks |
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| Apr-29-06 | | Waffles: Mr. Schiller,
How do you get chess diagrams in your chess books?
Thanks!
Waffles
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Apr-29-06
| | Eric Schiller: <Drifter> No, because up and coming players will be stripping points from the top players. I don't buy the whole "inflation" argument. I believe that top players today are simply better than in the past, and that the only area showing inflation is the number of Grandmasters, because the norms are too easy, given the rating pools these days. But as for the math, I leave it to the specialists. I'm a linguist, and I don't crunch numbers. |
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