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| Nov-24-05 | | WillC21: <csmath> I was wondering if you could please answer or give your opinion concerning the last question I asked you on the Hydra Computer page? Thanks. |
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| Nov-27-05 | | RandyM450: Hello. I see some comments about Fritz vs. Chessmaster, but are there any other worthy chess programs besides these two (e.g. Shredder)? Thanks for the help. |
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| Nov-29-05 | | WillC21: <RandyM450> Here are my opinions of some of the major engines(latest versions): 1) Fritz--- Strong positionally, as most engines today are becoming, but remains especially good at tactics and can calculate variations quite deep. Probably has the best interface and preferences out there, ranging from online-play capability to compiling databases and much more. 2) Shredder--- Strongpoint is positional and endgame play. Only plays very solid moves and in fact takes less risk in games than all of the other engines here, IMO. It's limited preferences, aside from having the very basics, are a downside I think. 3) Fruit--- Newcomer on the scene. Employs cutting edge programming(delta/futility pruning), and is very strong on search extensions. Very good with tactics, and while maybe not as aggressive as Fritz it is more exciting than Shredder, IMO. Probably the strongest engine here, although only marginally. 4) Junior--- Takes the most risk and although I don't own the engine I have played it numerous times and think for someone looking for sacrifices and excitement Junior would be the number one choice. 5) Hiarcs--- Praised(and rightly so) for it's human-like play. Makes it interesting as far as that goes, but I have found it gets trounced by these other engines on average. (Wouldn't purchase it if I were you until the new prototype is completed and Hiarcs 10 is released). The verdict? It depends what you're looking for. Want arguably the strongest engine? Go with Fruit 2.2. If you're a positional fan and crave solid play and perfectly-techniqued endings go with Shredder. If you want the most exciting(fun) engine, go with Junior. Else, for a bit of everything, the best overall program would be Fritz, IMO. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | RandyM450: <WillC21> Thanks for the detail. It's much appreciated. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: Can we get some other verdicts? I have Junior, but I'm wondering if Shredder is perhaps stronger, or Fritz... I doubt it's Fruit, because of the freeware thing, but of course that's just me... so, other opinions? |
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| Dec-01-05 | | Radu: <It is not possible to get a decent looking 2D chess board in Chessmaster.> Try these: http://misimatt.freeweb.hu/ They even have one that looks exactly like the one Fritz uses. <Would you guys recommend Fritz 9 or Chessmaster 10th Edition for an average player (1600-1800)?> I think chessmaster is more user-friendly overall. You can play different 'personalities', each with its own style. That might not seam like much but it's a lot more entertaining to play against virtual personalities than setting the ELO bar to a certain strength in Fritz. It'll keep you motivated. And it has good tutorials too. But otherwise Fritz is the better program. <Hiarcs Praised(and rightly so) for it's human-like play gets trounced by these other engines on average.> Human-like play? I think I'll give it a try. Unless you're an extremely good player playing strength isn't a concern. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | Radu: <Shredder is perhaps stronger, or Fritz> I did a 10 game match Shredder 9 vs Fritz 9 and fritz won 5.5 - 4.5 (15 min. games) I also saw some other tests on the net suggesting Fritz 9 might have an edge over shredder, but it's probably not a significant difference. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: And Fruit is apparently stronger than Fritz? |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: Frankly, I like Shredder as the most balanced, I may get that. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | Radu: <And Fruit is apparently stronger than Fritz?> Don't know, but I think you're putting too much emphasis on playing strength. 50 ELO + or - won't make any difference. I think style of play is most important. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | sitzkrieg: WillC21 ; What about chesstiger; in gambit mode. Thats a fun engine or is too old to be on yout list? |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: In my day I was a perfectionist... my analysis nowadays has been terrible, but persistant. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | WillC21: <sitzkrieg> Chesstiger is a strong engine, very reliant on tactics and calculating over positional knowledge, which in Gambit mode would be exciting to watch. <aw1988> and <radu>. I didn't mean to stir up debate over the best engine. Certainly for any human under 2500 whether their engine is 2725 or 2750 is of little consequence. For preferences and features one may look for, I suggest reviewing my post at the top of this page. As a last suggestion, a good starting point today is the UCI(Universal Chess Interface) platform, where many engines can be stored on and used from the central engine manager. There are hundreds of options with which to play around with. I have Hiarcs, Fruit, and Shredder all on the UCI platform. I am going to the gym now, but if you want more info. on it simply go to www.uciengines.de and explore! (you can even get many strong engines for free, such as Fruit 2.1) |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: <<aw1988> and <radu>. I didn't mean to stir up debate over the best engine.> But that's what I'm looking for! :) |
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| Dec-01-05 | | hayton3: Pundits seem to think Fritz the all-round choice, Shredder excellent in the latter stages of the game, and Junior for Tal-like combinations. Personally, I like Fritz because it is usually positionally very sound. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: Shredder usually defeats Fritz. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | hayton3: http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/pos... |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: Thanks. |
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| Dec-01-05 | | aw1988: Nah, I'm still getting Shredder. |
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| Dec-02-05 | | Radu: <hayton3: http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/pos...; I did a similar test with Fritz 9 using the position in Kasparov vs Topalov 1999, after Topalov accepts the rook sacrifice (Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999). It took the computer over 8 hours! (and 34 billion nods) to figure out that Kasparov is winning and give a  3.7 score. That's on an Athlon 2600+. Since Fritz is better tactically Shredder probably takes even longer, I haven't tried it out with Shredder yet. We need to wait another 10 years until Fritz can figure that out in a reasonable amount of time :) |
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| Dec-02-05 | | hayton3: <Radu> Interesting. Humans still rule okay - correction - Kasparov rules okay. Actually, he should get off his political high horse, leave that to the professionals, and get back into the seat with a 6 gamer against Hydra (or Fritz 9). |
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| Dec-23-05 | | hitman84: the chess softwares i have beaten atleast once are fritz(fritz 7 gave me the title super GM),junior,chesstiger
the strongest i have coe across till now is deepjunior |
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| Dec-23-05 | | hitman84: try this opening i'm sure u'll be able to beat the beast out of fritz |
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| Dec-23-05 | | hitman84: here is a game i beat fritz in a blitz game my comp uses a P4 pentium. Morra gambit has reaped me very good results in tourneys i have had some problems though when it was converted to alapin. hitman84(2451) - Fritz 8 (3066) [B21]
Blitz:3'+3" 19.12.2005
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Bg5 f6 9.Be3 b5 10.Bb3 Ng6 11.Nd2 Bd6 12.Qh5 Qa5 13.f4 b4 14.Nd5 exd5 15.f5 Bc5 16.Bxc5 Qxc5+ 17.Kh1 dxe4 18.Nxe4 Qe5 19.Rad1 Nce7 20.Nd6+ Kf8 21.Qg4 Bb7 22.Nxb7 d5 23.fxg6 hxg6 24.h3 Rh5 25.Rfe1 Qc7 26.Qxb4 Rb8 27.Bxd5 a5 28.Qa3 Rxd5 29.Rxd5 Rxb7 30.Qc5 Qxc5 31.Rxc5 Ra7 32.a4 Kf7 33.Rec1 Ke6 34.Rc7 Rxc7 35.Rxc7 Kd6 36.Ra7 Nc6 37.Rxg7 Ne7 38.Rxe7 Kxe7 39.Kg1 Kd6 40.Kf2 f5 41.Ke3 Ke5 42.h4 Kd5 43.Kf4 Ke6 44.g4 fxg4 45.Kxg4 Kf6 46.Kf4 Kg7 47.Ke4 Kf6 48.b4 axb4 49.a5 1-0 |
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