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| keypusher: <elohah> 28. Nc6+ Kc7 (28...Bxc6 29. Qb6+) 29. Qa7+ Bb7 30. Bh3+? What do you think? |
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Jan-13-10
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| elohah: Ouch! This shows that I really DO
need to lead primarily with straight
Chess moves, rather than blabber!
I had thought that after 29 Qb6+!
that Black could retreat with 29...Bb7?, but the BQ is unguarded! Well, K, you have saved me some time
in going thru my further (now faulty)
analysis of 25...Kb8.
Suprisingly tho... |
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Jan-13-10
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| elohah: I am not out of ammo!
We'll continue with the game's moves,
having dispensed with both 25...Qxe7
and 25...Kb8.
The actual game:
25...Kb6 (mark removed)
26 Qxd4+ Kxa5? (my mark)
OK, now THIS time I am sure I am
correct.
Let us see Emm's analysis:
'The only other defence is 26...Qc5
27 Qxf6+ Qd6, hoping for a repitition,
but White then has the diabolical
28 Be6? (my mark!) ('gaining a vital
tempo to play b4)'
Uh huh. And the Chess moves that back
this up, Emms? Let's see them.
'28...Bxd5 (I'll skip over a parenthesed note regarding 28...Kxa5 -
it loses) 29 b4 Bc6? [my mark!]
30 Qxf7 Qd1+ 31 Kb2 Qxf3 32 Rc7 Qxf7
33 Rxc6+ Ka7 34 Bxf7 and White wins.'
Uh huh. Btw, thanx for the convenient
29...Bc6 lemon, that provides White
with the in-between check on move 33.
The improvement with 29...Ba8! instead, scotching Emm's line, is,
needless to say, fairly obvious.
Much more obvious, btw, than the 28
Nc6+; Bxc6; Qb6+! from the 25...Kb8
line previous, which Emm's didn't
provide at all, and the reason I've
got some (some) egg on my face now.
But what about this?
I have written in the margin:
'The repetition is best'.
29...Ba8! means that White cannot
play 30 Qxf7 ( it will end up just
losing to 31...Qxf3) and so must
try 30 Rxf7 instead.
After then 30...Qd1+ 31 Kb2 Qd4+,
trading Queens, he will be struggling
to draw. |
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Jan-13-10
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| elohah: Conclusion: The sacrifice of 24 Rxd4,
since it keeps the draw in hand
(see Korchnoi's remarks regarding
Kasparov's sacrifices) can at best
be left unmarked, but maybe most
accurately would be 24Rxd4?!
Topalov's move of 26, 26...Kxa5? -
tho a daring move - was a serious error, needlessly and irresponsibly
stepping into a mating net.
The position, however, was extremely
complicated - too complicated, as
it turns out, even for Garry Kasparov.
But Kavalek's computer found the win
after 26...Kxa5? (rather than the
correct 26...Qc5, when White is forced
to take a draw).
I believe I've covered just about
everything for this game, and
appreciate my own spanking from K. |
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Jan-13-10
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| elohah: Wait a sec! Have we forgotten about
30...Rd6!---?
This came AFTER 26...Kxa5 !
So Topalov was right all along and
Garry's sac was completely unsound?? |
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Jan-13-10
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| elohah: 30...Rd6! was after Kasparov's
mistaken 28 Qc3?
26...Kxa5? DOES lose to 27 b4+ Ka4
28 Ra7!! (only move),
Kavalek's computer's line.
I believe that is finally it. |
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| Jan-13-10 |
| Aspirador: 30...Rd6 31.Rb6! wins. Please use computer to analyze chess positions.... |
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| Jan-13-10 |
| Blunderdome: <elohah>
In the Kb8 line, white can take with the rook first instead of the bishop, deflecting the d8-rook from its protection of h8 and creating the threat Qxh8. The line goes: 25...Kb8 26. Qxd4 Nd7 27. Rxd7 Rxd7 28. Bxd7 (threat = Qxh8) ...Rg8 29. Bc6 and white is winning. Your other suggestion is met by:
30...Rd6?? 31. Rb6 1-0
If you don't think Rxd4!! is winning, perhaps we could play correspondence on your forum, starting from that position? |
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| Jan-13-10 |
| Blunderdome: Nothing wrong with trying to improve on the computers and previous commentators though, I commend it. |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: Last nite in DQ: ...
33...Qxf3
34 Be2! No!!
WHY can I not grasp these concepts??
You just change the move order!
(White doesn't have to play 34 c3
immediately.)
So 33...Qxf3? is down??
What have I got left? |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: Waitress: "Would you like some more
coffee, sir?"
'Oh! Yess...thank you.'
"That looks like an interesting book:
'The Limits of Power - The End of
American Exceptionalism'!"
'Yeah, it's by a Princeton professor.
It's pretty informative, actually.'
(I wonder if 30...Rd6! is down too?)
tap, tap, tap...
Garry Kasparov's face looks back at
me, scowling on the cover of C.L. -
in kind of an evil orange glow
background.
'I guess you can try 31 Rb6!!, but
then just 31...Rhd8! The rook can't
be overloaded - there's another one
behind it...That was close, tho.'
Kasparov scowls back at me.
"It's been a long time coming, Gazz."
"I've really got your b. in a sling
this time, tho. BOTH you and Topalov
missed this simple move? It's
outrageous!"
Gazz?
'I'm gonna bury you beneath the rubble
of your own hubris...'
"Right, Gazz...MY hubris??" |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: 30...Rd6!
31 Rb6
31...Rhd8
"I can't say I haven't been laughing
my b off about this, Gazz..."
32 Kb2
"No... ?"
32...Qd4!!
q .... "Nooooo....!!"
Q!.... "Noooo...nooo...!"
32 Qxd4! "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
"wHAT'S happening here??"
'You've come to a shabby and disgraceful end...'
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: That has got to be the STUPIDEST
refutation of a perfectly normal move
I've ever seen! What kind of a trick
(poni) position is this??
And no, I will never - N! - use an
engine to research these moves!
Jack Peters!!
(Sidebar note: Jack Peters just got
ripped by some IM named Kong Leng
Deng, or something; Note to self:
find that game here!)
I can't learn about Chess if I use
engines. I come back after a lengthy
layoff and every 1700 player is using
Fritz??! It's outrageous!
Meanwhile, Utut Adianto is still a
2600 level GM, seemingly with less
theoretical knowledge than most 1700's! |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: What's still up?
26...Qc5! THAT'S what's up, after
the 29...Ba8! improvement that
rumpled 28 Be6?
Did I need an engine to find that?
And Kasparov's own line given later:
30...Ne4 31 fxe4 Qc4! 32 Ra7 Ra8!
I've had to provide the final curlicue myself to keep this standing. And suprisingly....
Gazz...'No!'
That's right! I am STILL not out of
ammo! |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: Move 30 for Black...
Let's try...30...Ra8! and after
31 Rb6 (what else??) then...
31...Rhe8!
"It's an incinerated economic landscape outside..." "Why should
I ever venture back out?"
"It's still the 1970's here in Warren
Buffet's hangout."
"I've had enuf of 2010, you know..."
"Whole countries collapsing. People
barking orders in hell..."
"It's over.... It's AAAAALLLL over!"
Bobby: (to Larry Evans) "OK. We'll
publish it anyway, I guess. We'll have
60 games instead of 50." "The
world's coming to an end anyway..." |
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Jan-14-10
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| elohah: 30...Ra8? loses immediately to
31 Kb2. Sorry.
So it looks like only Kasparov's own
suggestion of 30...Ne4 31 fxe4 Qc4!
is holding up, and refuting 28 Qc3?
Earlier, 26...Kxa5?? was miserable,
and Topalov should have played
26...Qc5! instead, forcing Kasparov
to take the draw, evidently the only
result that 24 Rxd4?! was finally
capable of. |
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| Jan-14-10 |
| Blunderdome: Still not convinced by your analysis. If you still think Rxd4 is not winning, what do you say to my suggestion of a correspondence game? |
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Jan-15-10
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| elohah: Coorespondence Chess is out, in the
age of computers. Why should I trust
anybody not to use a computer against
me? That's the problem with adjournments anymore as well.
Aspirador has advised that I use a
computer to check these positions.
I have replied that I did not even
need one to bust Emm's move of
29...Bc6? and replace it with the
correct 29...Ba8!
I notice that this suggestion has
not yet been challenged by the many
participants who are presumably able
to do so with computers. Ergo, it
must be sound, and the best that
24 Rxd4?! is good for is the draw
that Topalov could have forced by
playing 26...Qc5!
I believe this answers your question
in regards to 24 Rxd4?! , BD.
Good Grace to all my Chess kiddies!
( I am actually a wonderful person,
who only occasionally poses as the
biggest b in Chess!). |
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Jan-15-10
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| amadeus: Rybka eval after 26...Qc5 27.Qxf6+ Qd6 28.Be6 Bxd5 29.b4 Ba8 30.Qxf7: +5.88: 30...Qd1+ 31.Kb2 Qxf3 32.Qg7 Rhf8 33.Bf7 Rd2 34.Qxf8 Rxc2+ +M17: 30...Rb8 31.Rd7 Rhd8 32.Rxd6+ Rxd6 33.c4 bxc4 34.Nxc4+ |
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Jan-17-10
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| elohah: Thanx for bringing out the big guns.
I would have thought just Sargon
(circa 1980) would be enuf for me!
32...Rhf8 above, appears to be in
good faith, so I appreciate that.
On the more plausible looking
32...Qe4?, suprisingly 33 Bd7! is
an effective door-slammer, with the
threats on the 6th. (Not 33 Bc8?
Qd4+! [tho 33...Rxc8? 34 Qf6+ Rc6
35 Nxc6 Qxc6 36 Qxh8 wins]).
Any other dogs?
Yes, 32...Rd2? immediately (rather
than 32...Rhf8) is shown to be
overexuberant after 33 Bb3! (Re6+;
Qxh8). Not 33 Qxh8? Rxc2+! =.
So tendering 32...Rhf8, here is my
MAIN LINE, with attendant variations,
aaaaand...the usual suprise for you.
(I'm tough kids. Shoot me.)
30...Qd1+
31 Kb2 Qxf3
32 Qg7 Rhf8!
33 Bf7! Rxf7! (suprise!)
Yes, this is the only CHESS move of
note in the position. 33...Rd2?? -
forget about it!
34 Rxf7 Qd5
35 Ra7
(35 Qxh7 Qd4+,=; 35 Rf6+ Rd6 36 Rxd6+
[36 Qe7?? Qd4+] Qxd6 37 Nb3 (37 Qxh7?
Qd4+,=) h5 holds.)
35 ... Rc8
36 Nb3 Rxc2+!!
37 Kxc2 Qe4+! draws! |
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Jan-17-10
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| elohah: 32...Rhe8?? was another lemon:
33 Rxe8! Rxe8 34 Qd4+ Kc7 35 Qe5+
Kb6 36 Qc5 MATE!
My main line shows Black still
holding the position, with the shot
on move 36 being key to this. |
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Jan-17-10
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| elohah: About Amadeus's second suggestion
with 30...Rb8?? - are you yanking
my chain here, holmes?
31 Qf2+! mates right away. |
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Jan-17-10
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| keypusher: <elohah>
<30...Qd1+
31 Kb2 Qxf3
32 Qg7 Rhf8!
33 Bf7! Rxf7! (suprise!) >
Unfortunately 33.Rxf7 is met by a much bigger surprise, 34. Qe5, and White wins. Generally speaking, if Rybka is showing a +6 evaluation, you aren't going to refute it. Machines are just too strong. Continuing in your line, 34.Rxf7 Qd5 35.Ra7 Rc8 36.Rd7 is still crushing for white. |
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Jan-19-10
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| elohah: YIKES!! 34 Qe5!! - Man, that is a
great move!!
But I wonder why I missed 36 Rd7! also?
No chance that Emm's could have been
more helpful by computer-checking
his analysis, btw? I suppose there
were several computers working;
Kavalek's computer, Fritz. None of
them wanted to step in here, find
the obvious 29...Bc6? lemon, and
then save us from doing all of this! |
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Jan-19-10
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| elohah: It wasn't my fault!
Hey, that's great! You know, I needed
this....
With some other mistakes I've
discovered ,I'm starting to suspect
I may have lost a step.
I don't know...Actually, one thing
is clear: it is past due to tone
down the HUBRIS in my annotating!
Chess is a complicated game.
And there's even another fly in the
ointment. I've had to start a job
that's going to tie up my time, so
my appearances here may become more
spotty.
Well, some initial exuberance can
be forgiven, I suppose. I'll need
to get rid of that Golden King, and
find a smart little moniker...
I'll be floating around, kids. |
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