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|Jun-23-15|| ||offramp: <Reisswolf: This is obviously Kasparov's immortal...> You're entitled to your opinion. I quickly grew fed up of this game. Kasparov has played many more games that are more interesting than this, Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 for example.|
|Jun-23-15|| ||FairyPromotion: <offramp> After gladly agreeing with you on the Karjakin-Anand game, I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Kasparov has played many amazing games, and 6 of them are possible candidates for (my personal) top 100 games of all time, that win vs Kramnik included. But I would say that there is a clear seperation between this game, which I would rank as top 5, and the other 5 that I wouldn't put in my top 30. |
The win vs Kramnik features a great journey by the h pawn, and is exceptional as a whole, however the final move by Kramnik is a huge let down. On the other hand sequence between 24. Rxd4!! and 37. Rd7!! in this game applies heavy gravitation on my jaw, no matter how many times I've played it over.
|Jun-23-15|| ||offramp: <FairyPromotion>, I do understand your concept. But I dislike games where "one player plays, the other sits and applauds". I like games where both players play very well. I think Topalov was playing like a shill in this game.|
|Jul-07-15|| ||Albion 1959: Kaspowerov !! This is an amazing game to play through. The lines are profoundly deep and mind blowing !! This must surely be one of Kasparov's best ever games ? Was this brilliant deep tactical calculation ? Or was this something more intuitive ? This must have been sheer instinct with a gut feeling that something "must" be there for white ! However, in the final analysis everything just seems to work for Kasparov. Not even Fischer at his peak produced games like this !|
|Aug-10-15|| ||Albion 1959: I had another look at this game, and I gave it the Rybka treatment. Topalov was doing okay up until move 31, when he blundered with Kxa3?? This allowed Kasparov to keep the attack going with Qxa6+ and c3+, keeping Topalov's king on the run. He could have done better with Rd1+ for example:
Black reaches an ending, the exchange ahead, though white has two pawns:
Move 33 instead of Qb6, if Kasparov tries Rxf7, Topalov has the powerful
Which practically forces Qc3 and an exchange of queens:
In Star Trek parlance, Mr Spock would have said to Captain Kirk about this game "It's chess Jim, but not as we know it!"
|Nov-18-15|| ||dnp: I never get tired of playing through this game|
|Nov-18-15|| ||yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/yRVTkKuC
this game "Myth Buster"
|Dec-07-15|| ||yurikvelo: D=42, 100 BN
1. (-0.43): 24...Kb6 25.b4 Qxf4
2. = (0.00): 24...Rhe8 25.Rxe8 Nxe8
3. = (0.00): 24...Rhf8 25.c4 cxd4
4. = (0.00): 24...Rhg8 25.c4 cxd4
5. = (0.00): 24...Bxd5 25.Rxd5 Nxd5
6. = (0.11): 24...g5 25.Qxd6 Rxd6
7. = (0.15): 24...Nxd5 25.Qxf7+ Kb8
8. (0.42): 24...Qxf4 25.Rxf4 Nxd5
9. (0.70): 24...Kb8 25.Qxd6+ Rxd6
10. (0.86): 24...Bb7 25.Qxd6 Rxd6
11. (1.47): 24...h5 25.c4 g5
12. (1.95): 24...h6 25.c4 bxc4
13. (2.85): 24...c4 25.Rxc4 Qxf4
14. (3.62): 24...Ne8 25.Qxf7+ Nc7
15. (3.87): 24...b4 25.axb4 cxb4
16. (5.30): 24...cxd4 25.Re7+ Kb8 <-- Topalov played
17. (6.18): 24...Ng4 25.Nc6+ Bxc6
|Jan-11-16|| ||Aaron Wang: <dnp> Me too|
|Mar-20-16|| ||Waxmati: The fact that Topalov hasn't take Re7 blows my mind completly.|
|Apr-26-16|| ||masoudsad: Why not "29...Rd6" instead of "29...Bb7"? Can somebody explain this to me?|
|Apr-26-16|| ||Jim Bartle: <Why not "29...Rd6" instead of "29...Bb7"? Can somebody explain this to me?>|
I think 29...Rd6 30. Rxa6 check Rxa6 31 Kb2 and black cannot avoid mate.
|Apr-26-16|| ||offramp: People who like sausages and admire Kasparov's games should never watch either of them being made.|
|May-08-16|| ||Balbery: I can't find the forced mate after Rd6 for Black on move 29 rather than Bb7. Rxa6+ Rxa6, 31 Kb2 is suggested but I can't find the force mate. White bishop too far away and queen check covered by queen - blocked. Some assistance here please? It must be obvious as no game commentary even covers the option! LOL|
|May-08-16|| ||DWINS: <Balbery: I can't find the forced mate after Rd6 for Black on move 29>|
29...Rd6 30.Kb2! (threatens mate in 2 by 31.Qb3+ Qxb3+ 32.cxb3#)
30...Qd4 31.Qxd4 Nd5 (the Queen is immune because of the mate threat 32.Rxa6#)
32.Qd3 (threatening 33.Qb3#)
32...Nxb4 33.Qxd6 (threatening 34.Qxb4#) Nc6 34.Rxa6+ Na5 35.Qb4#
|May-10-16|| ||LOYAL2ONE: It ended before checkmate. Does that mean he surrendered?|
|May-10-16|| ||markz: <yurikvelo: (5.30): 24...cxd4 25.Re7+ Kb8 -- Topalov played>|
Agree, 24...cxd4 is a blunder.
<Albion 1959: I had another look at this game, and I gave it the Rybka treatment. Topalov was doing okay up until move 31, when he blundered with Kxa3??>
Agree, 31...Kxa3 is another blunder. After 31...Rd1+, 32.Kb2 Ra8 looks like a draw.
This game is overrated, clearly not immortal.
|Jul-09-16|| ||RandomVisitor: |
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<-0.27/45 24...Kb6 25.b4 Qxf4> 26.Rxf4 Nxd5 27.Rxf7 cxb4 28.axb4 Nxb4 29.Nb3 Rd6 30.Re6 Rxe6 31.Bxe6 Rd8 32.c3 Nd3 33.Rxh7 Bxf3 34.Re7 Be4 35.Ka2 Rd6 36.Bf7 Bf5 37.Nd4 Nc5 38.h4 Be4 39.Ka3 a5 40.Kb2 Rf6 41.Ka3 Bd3 42.Nb3 Nxb3 43.Bxb3 Rf3 44.g4 b4+ 45.cxb4 Bc4 46.bxa5+ Ka6 47.h5 Rxb3+ 48.Ka4 gxh5 49.gxh5 Rh3 50.h6 Rh4 51.h7 Bd5+ 52.Ka3 Kb5 53.Re5 Rh3+ 54.Kb2
|Jul-09-16|| ||saffuna: <I can't find the forced mate after Rd6 for Black on move 29 rather than Bb7. Rxa6+ Rxa6, 31 Kb2 is suggested but I can't find the force mate. White bishop too far away and queen check covered by queen - blocked.>|
Maybe 30. Kb2 wins, but as I see it 30 Rxa6 definitely leads to mate.
30 Rxa6 Rxa6 31 Kb2 and the only way black can avoid Qc3 Qxc3 and bxc3 mate is to give up the queen.
|Jul-09-16|| ||RandomVisitor: Does Black have drawing chances after 31...Rd1+ 32.Kb2 Ra8 33.Qb6 Qd4+ 34.Qxd4 Rxd4 35.Rxf7 a5 36.Be6 axb4 37.Bb3+ Ka5 38.axb4+ ...?|
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<+0.24/42 38...Kb6 39.Rxh7 Rf8> 40.Rh6 Rf6 41.h4 Kc6 42.Kc1 Rd8 43.Ba2 Rd4 44.f4 Rfd6 45.Bf7 Rd1+ 46.Kb2 Rg1 47.Bxg6 Rxg3 48.h5 Rd4 49.c3 Rxf4 50.Be8+ Kc7 51.Bxb5 Rh4 52.Rc6+ Kd8 53.Rc5 Rg2+ 54.Kb3 Rgh2 55.Rd5+ Ke7 56.Rd7+ Ke6 57.Bc6 Rxh5 58.Rd1 Re5
+0.57/42 38...Ka6 39.Rxh7 Rf8 40.Rg7 Rf6 41.h4 Kb6 42.Rf7 Rfd6 43.Re7 Rd2 44.Re6 Rxe6 45.Bxe6 Rd6 46.Bf7 Kc7 47.c3 Kd8 48.Kc2 Ke7 49.Ba2 Rd8 50.Bb3 Kf6 51.c4 bxc4 52.Bxc4 Ke5 53.Bd3 Rd6 54.b5 Kd4 55.Kd2 Rb6 56.g4 Rf6 57.Ke2 Re6+ 58.Be4 Rf6 59.Kf2 Kc5 60.Ke3 Kxb5 61.Kd4 Re6 62.h5 g5 63.Bf5 Rb6 64.Ke5 Ka4
59.b5 Ree2 60.Kb4 Rd2 61.Rg1 Rb2+ 62.Kc5 Rh5+ 63.Kb6 Rc2 64.Rg3 Ke5 65.Rd3 Kf4 66.Kc7 Rh7+ 67.Kd6
|Jul-10-16|| ||RandomVisitor: A deeper look - After 31...Rd1+ 32.Kb2 Ra8 33.Qb6 Qd4+ 34.Qxd4 Rxd4 35.Rxf7 a5 36.Be6 axb4 37.Bb3+ Ka5 38.axb4+ |
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Komodo-10-64bit: TB6 syzygy
<+0.27/52 38...Kb6 39.Rxh7> Rf8 40.Rh6 Rf6 41.h4 Kc6 42.Kc1 Rd7 43.f4 Rd4 44.h5 Rdd6 45.Rh7 gxh5 46.Rxh5 Rh6 47.Rc5+ Kb6 48.Rg5 Rd4 49.Re5 Rxb4 50.Kd2 Rh3 51.Re3 Rd4+ 52.Ke2 Rh5 53.Kf3 Kc6 54.Re6+ Kd7 55.Re2 Kd6 56.Re8 Kd7 57.Ra8 Rh1 58.Rb8 Kc6 59.Rc8+ Kd6 60.Re8 Kc6 61.Re6+ Kc5 62.Re5+ Kc6 63.Bf7 Rc1 64.Be8+ Kd6 65.Bg6 Rd5 66.Re8 Rc5 67.Bd3 Rc3
+0.43/52 38...Ka6 39.Rxh7 Rf8 40.Rg7 Rd6 41.f4 Rff6 42.Kc1 Kb6 43.Bg8 Kc6 44.Kb2 Kb6 45.Bh7 Kc6 46.h4 Kb6 47.Kc1 Kc6 48.Bg8 Kb6 49.Re7 Rd4 50.Bh7 Rd8 51.Rg7 Rdd6 52.Kb2 Rc6 53.Rg8 Kc7 54.Re8 Rfd6 55.Re5 Rd7 56.Bg8 Rd2 57.Bb3 Kb6 58.h5 Rg2 59.hxg6 Rxg6 60.f5 Rg5 61.Be6 Rf2 62.Re3 Rg4 63.Kc3 Rg2 64.f6 R4xg3 65.Rxg3 Rxg3+ 66.Kd4 Rf3 67.f7 Rf6
|Jul-29-16|| ||j4jishnu: B e a u t i f u l|
|Aug-06-16|| ||drollere: this is a terrific game. the choices here reflect the heat of the battle, and topalov's awareness of the forced mate following 25. ... Qxe7? is impressive.|
there are three moves that i've puzzled over. why not:
22. ... N(f)xd5
28. ... Bxd5
36. ... Qxf1
|Sep-23-16|| ||PawnSac: < offramp: <FairyPromotion>, I do understand your concept. But I dislike games where "one player plays, the other sits and applauds". I like games where both players play very well. I think Topalov was playing like a shill in this game. >|
in all fairness to Topa, in 1999 he was still in the 2600-2699 class and did not break into the 2700 club until the following year.
Garry on the other hand was still world champ and highest rated player in the 2820's i think (He lost the title to Kramnik's Berlin the following year).
So.. even if Topa was not in best form (and i'm not sure about that) he was still not Garry's equal. Considering Garry had white, the odds were strongly in his favor.
|Sep-23-16|| ||Olavi: Topalov was 2700 in Jan 1996 and 2750 in Jul 1996. He did drop to 2690 in Jul 1999, that is on the list after this game, the only time he has been below 2700 after crossing it.|
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