Dec-24-04 | | MidnightDuffer: An additional game is at this link, where Mr. Collins wins. http://www.ishipress.com/collins.htm
He authored a book on Seven Chess Prodigies he claims he helped instruct which includes Fischer, Lombardy, Byrne and some others. |
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May-31-08 | | whiteshark: Quote of the Day
< Geniuses like Beethoven, Leonardo da Vinci, Shakespeare, and Fischer come out of the head of Zeus, seem to be genetically programmed, know before instructed.> -- John W. Collins
See the back issue: Jean Collin |
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May-31-08 | | mack: '[W]hy is it that a person who's not Mozart can't do it? If you're Mozart, or even Bobby Fischer playing chess, it's grace. You've been granted some grace.' Susan Howe
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May-31-08 | | whiteshark: † December 2, 2001 at the age of 89.
Sources (+ pictures):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W...
http://www.anusha.com/collins.htm
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W... (German) |
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Nov-17-08 | | whiteshark: Quotes Of The Day
"Exchanging pieces and pawns to open a vital diagonal is a deadly device." -- John W. Collins
Source: http://www.gmchess.com/ |
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Sep-23-11 | | talisman: happy birthday John W. Collins! and Thanks! |
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Oct-21-13 | | Karpova: Dagobert Kohlmeyer: <Wer hat Ihr Talent in New York entdeckt, John Collins?> William Lombardy: <Ich weiß es nicht mehr genau. Collins war es jedenfalls nicht. 1953, als ich 15 Jahre alt war, lud er mich zu sich nach Hause zu einer Turnierpartie ein. Ich schlug ihn in 25 Zügen, obwohl er damals als großer Meister galt. Es ist ein Mythos, dass Collins ein bedeutender Schachlehrer war. Er war nie mein Trainer, auch nicht von Robert und Donald Byrne oder Bobby Fischer, wie es bis heute immer heißt. Höchstens ein Mentor.> (Question: Who discovered your talent in New York, John Collins? Answer: I don't know exactly. By all means not Collins. In 1953, when I was 15 years old, he asked me over for a tournament game. I beat him in 25 moves although he was regarded a great master back then. It's a myth that Collins was an important chess teacher. He was never my teacher, also not of Robert and Donald Byrne or Bobby Fischer, as is always claimed today. A mentor at most.) Link: http://de.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/... (Interview with Lombardy by Kohlmeyer, "So war Fischer wirklich", October 21, 2013) |
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Feb-02-16 | | jerseybob: <Karpova:(Question: Who discovered your talent in New York, John Collins? Answer: I don't know exactly. By all means not Collins.> That doesn't surprise me in the least; Lombardy was an exceptional talent. What is surprising, and a little disappointing, is the general lack of charity in Lombardy's remarks. I've seen pictures of young Bill sitting in Collins' living room enjoying the hospitality, not an easy thing to provide considering Collins' physical handicaps. Doesn't friendship count for anything? "A mentor at most": that's so cold. |
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Sep-23-16 | | TheFocus: Happy birthday, John Collins. |
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May-27-21 | | RookFile: Collins wrote a book: "My Seven Chess Prodigies: The personal and professional stories of the young American geniuses I have tutored". I think Lombardy has the right to say that Collins didn't tutor him, or the other guys. |
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May-27-21
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*Collins was wheelchair bound and grew increasingly dependent on outside help as he got older, just to get through life's ADLs. |
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May-27-21 | | SChesshevsky: Think the use of the phrase " tutor" in Collins book was very intentional. A tutor doesn't necessarily have to be an instructor or coach The definition can probably be spread to a guide who provides structure and imparts some useful info. Pretty sure Collins delivered some useful info to Fischer and Lombardy. Whether it was availability or suggestions of books or relevant games. Or just general thoughts on openings. Believe Collins was always honest with his part in those players development. Think 'tutor' was an appropriate fit between "coach" and "acquaintance". Especially when you need something for a book title. |
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May-27-21
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May-28-21 | | diceman: <HeMateMe: do you really think that Bobby Fischer and Bill Lombardy listened to people?> As is always the case, these folks are unhinged nutjobs, ...until they agree with you:
<William Lombardy:
It's a myth that Collins was an important chess teacher. He was never my teacher, also not of Robert and Donald Byrne or Bobby Fischer> |
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May-28-21
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I thought Collins said something to the effect that players of Fischer's strength don't really have teachers. I can't find the quote, though. I don't have Collins' book. But...what Collins did was give him (i) a place to hang out and play lots of chess with other strong young players (ii) access to a very good chess library, which Fischer took full advantage of. That's important! |
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May-28-21
 | | MissScarlett: Collins schools Bobby: Fischer vs J W Collins, 1958 |
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Jun-12-21 | | RookFile: Fischer did give Carmine Nigro credit as being his chess teacher in the first book he wrote. |
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