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Sep-24-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <ckr> It ain't beneath this Bishop!! :) Cheers!
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Sep-25-05 | | blingice: What's the best chess computer program for PC? |
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <blingice> I think it depends on 1) your playing strength and 2) your experience with Chess software. Without a pause, I would say that the best program for those who have not played Chess against a computer much is Chessmaster (Computer) : http://www.chessmaster.com/
It is easily the most user-friendly of the programs I have used, and its Chessplaying strength is at or near the Grandmaster level on a fast machine with plenty of memory. (I have heard a few complaints about the ease of installation with version 10, but I had no difficulty at all with versions 8 and 9). Having said that, the program I play against most often is Shredder (Computer) , but it did take me some time to get the feel for how the interface works. (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Sep-25-05 | | blingice: How good is it for analysis compared to Fritz or Shredder? Shredder seems to be a computer just for playing...
I can't download Crafty...
I have Arasan right now, it is a good, free computer, but it doesn't seem to have an analysis function. I also have an Excalibur PDA thing that has like, 100-some different playing levels, two or three of the divisions are analytical, and the others are for playing. I don't know how to work this one fully, yet. I also set it to (what I thought at least) was it's hardest mode, and played it against Arasan, and the PDA lost. |
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Sep-25-05 | | blingice: I also looked at that site you posted. I suppose I can't really picture Kasparov buying it. (I'm using this criteria, I suppose, because I have the idea that Chessmaster doesn't seem all that serious, i.e. that it is more involved in having cool piece movements rather than straight up DEEP BLUE skills.) I'll look at Fritz too, because I know that one is pretty analysis oriented also. Can you play Fritz? |
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <blingice> I have not used Chessmaster (Computer) for the conventional kind of analysis, though it contains that ability (in the "Game Room" under the "Mentor" menu). I suspect the analysis, which is just based on the internal engine, is very good. I have used Chessmaster in two other ways which involve elements of analysis. 1) I keep the "Thinking Lines" window open, with the "Chessmaster" box checked. I do this sole for the "score", the numeric rating of your situation after each move. Watching the engine evaluate your moves after you make them is not only fun, it is a good learning tool, I find; and 2) I will often have the engine play against itself or one of its virtual opponents from a given position. It will even do this from positions that are impossible to achieve from the conventional Chess setup, so it is quite versatile. (In this connection, please see my "Quaker Chess Challenge." If you scroll down, you'll see how Chessmaster dealt with this very strange curve ball I tossed its way: http://www.100bestwebsites.org/quak... ) Shredder (Computer) is every bit as capable of doing analysis as Fritz (Computer) is. As you may know, Shredder, Fritz, Junior (Computer) , and several other strong programs all run within the same interface, distributed by Chessbase: http://www.chessbase.com/
The Chessbase interface can "plug in" any one of these engines (if you have it) and use it for analysis. I think the reason that you see Fritz (Computer) used for analysis as often is you do is the "first to market" phenomenon: it was the first program for the personal computer that Grandmasters seemed to take very seriously. Furthermore, the Chessbase interface and the Chessmaster interface can both import many other engines (many of them free) and run them for analysis or for playing. These engines are called "UCI Engines", and you might see my posting over on the Zsuzsa Polgar message board about these. Hope this is helpful! Good luck!
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <blingice> Just very quickly, yes, you can play Fritz (Computer) or Junior (Computer) very easily. These three very strong programs run within the same interface, but you have to buy each separately. Here is a listing of the Chessbase programs: http://chessbase.com/shop/index.asp... (By the way, Crafty (Computer) is a free UCI engine, and it will run within the Chessbase interface or the Chessmaster interface.) By the way, what I'm calling "the engine" is the part of the program that does the playing and analysis. The "box" in which the engine runs, the screen that appears on your computer monitor (the "interface"), is a distinct part of the package: the engine runs inside the box, but it is NOT the box! Many other aspects of the whole package you buy are contained within the box, such as databases of games and training tools. There are many tools in the toolbox! The "engine" that runs within the Chessmaster interface even has a separate name. It is called "The King" (in English). You may see it compared in strength to the Shredder (Computer) engine at these two sites: http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/rati...
http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssd...
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
http://www.bbbbbb.org/
Bishop Berkeley's Phantasmagorical Chess Site
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: P.S. The number "three" program referenced in the message above is, of course, Shredder itself. |
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Oct-06-05 | | blingice: Whose better, Deep Shredder, Deep Fritz, Hydra, or Deep Blue? |
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Oct-06-05
 | | WannaBe: Straight up answer? Hydra. But it's unfair comparison. |
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Oct-06-05 | | csmath: Fritz was perhaps not the first program available around but it was the first good program available. At this time we have a whole variety. They are all relatively cheap and quite a few are better than Fritz though the differences are not exactly that big. Hydra is a different thing, it is hardware superior since it is made for a particular supersystem and your standard desktop cannot compete with that. On the other hand you cannot use it since there is no retail version available. |
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Oct-26-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <Greatful Fred: <(: Bishop Berkeley :)> In Prey, Michael Creighton thinks those little nono fellows might become self replicating robots and take over--you are using same at your workplace?> Sorry for my late response, <Greatful Fred>! Somehow your message slipped past my noticing. Well, we do develop a wide range of nano-devices at my workplace, but I think the likelihood of such devices taking over the world (or even having the ability to conceive of such a notion) is essentially non-existent. It does make for good science fiction though! After decades of working with computer systems of one type or another, I am utterly convinced of the extreme "differentness" of computer "thought" and human thought. While many make much of the "computer model" of human cogitation, the more they become acquainted with that model, the more I think they'll abandon it as a paradigm of human neural processes. Having said all this, I have noticed that three tiny nano-rabbits have infiltrated my Chess website. They may be a bit hard to find (in the best "Where's Waldo" tradition), but if you view the site quietly and dispassionately, you may be able to see all three before they notice you and scurry away: http://www.bbbbbb.org/
I was alarmed to see them at first, but since then I've become rather fond of them, and I've decided to keep them. And I would encourage anyone: before you go setting mouse-traps or other such "anti-pest" devices in your homes, why not consider re-defining your "pest" as a low-maintenance pet? You never need to arrange for a sitter, the pet food costs are nill, no water bottle needs to be refilled, and you never have to make a trip to the vet. On balance, you may find it a better strategy. A friend of mine had such an "LM pet" for years, and he grew quite fond of it. He never really determined what species of creature it was (since he never really saw it), but he could hear it scurrying around now and then, and he interpreted this as a sign of relative well-being (while it persisted). He even named his LM pet: "Herman the Vermin". (He also reserved the name "Antoinette the Verminette" in case he was wrong about the gender.) Hope you are in good spirits!
(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Jan-29-06 | | blingice: Will someone who has Icer with Shredder analyze this endgame between Chessmaster and Arasan 10th Edition? click for larger view |
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Jan-29-06 | | blingice: Sorry, in the diagram below, it's Black's move. |
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Feb-08-06 | | Everett: In a recent New Yorker issue, there is a nice article on computer chess. In it, the creator of Shredder is described as someone who wanted to create a computer program that plays like Karpov. It's the first time I heard of it. Anybody else know of anything more about this program, how it's put together and why? |
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Feb-08-06 | | Jim Bartle: Is that article online? If not, what's the issue date? Believe it or not, this would be the second article on computer chess in the NYer. The first was in 1986, focusing on Hans Berliner. |
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Feb-08-06
 | | WannaBe: I looked around at the new yorker's web site, and didn't see anything. http://www.newyorker.com and the closest thing I found was http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/... |
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Feb-13-06 | | Everett: It's the one with Santa Claus in shorts on the cover, but I forget the issue # or date. |
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Feb-13-06 | | Everett: <WannaBe>
That second one sites the correct article. |
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Feb-14-06 | | RandomVisitor: <blingice>looks drawn to me...White can deliver an infinite series of perpetual checks |
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May-15-06 | | Xaurus: Shredder 10 has been released now. Wonder how good it is... |
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May-17-06
 | | WannaBe: Shredder 10 will be released end of May. |
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May-26-06 | | THE pawn: it is released.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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May-26-06 | | iWaNnAbAgM: 80 rating points stronger i bet this one could beat fritz rather easily at top strength.So what's it's top rating now? |
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May-26-06
 | | WannaBe: 80 ELO higher, means I'll lose in 2 less moves. Got to spend another 55 bucks and upgrade, I guess. What an expensive hobby this chess thing is, cheaper if I started smoking crack cocaine. =) |
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