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   CG Librarian has kibitzed 21 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jun-04-12 CG Librarian chessforum (replies)
 
CG Librarian: OK, here are a few things I wanted to mention: 1. I got a copy of Chess Personalia (quite a while ago now) :) 2. The reason CG put a hyphen in Spanish double last names was so the database software didn't get confused about what the last name was (for things like the Player ...
 
   Nov-03-11 European Team Championship (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <Slaven MNE> You're right. We also had the wrong Georgiev. I think the error must have gotten propagated from the official site.
 
   Aug-08-11 World Junior Championship (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: Here's the situation with incorrect game scores for this tournament: we first received many truncated games, then the correct versions. I've removed all the incorrect duplicate games that affect the leaderboards. If you see more please submit a correction slip on them.
 
   May-28-11 World Championship Candidates (2011) (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <alexmagnus: Actually if you do the search now you get +9 -5 =27. One Gelfand win from 1990s, present just a week ago, now magically disappeared... Maybe it was attributed to some different players.> Hello, I just saw this. The stats changed because I merged away a ...
 
   May-08-11 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
CG Librarian: <Domdaniel: Welcome, o Eager and Bright database administrator person.> Thanks, and hello everyone! My chessforum is now available for correction-related comments. I'm sure I'll also be posting things that need additional research, so check back often.
 
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Aug-10-11
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  chessgames.com: From a comment that started on the chessgames.com chessforum

<Phony Benoni: I have an unusual situation involving the notorious Norman Tweed Whitaker. At the Western Open at Cleveland, 1921, Whitaker's second round opponent, Herman H. Hahlbohm, barely made the time control at move 20. Whitaker protested, but this was not upheld and he went on to lose the game in 44 moves.

The next day, the persuasive Whitaker talked Hahlbohm into replaying the game from the position after the 20th move. Tournament referee Hermann Helms, after consulting the other players, agreed to this arrangement "in the interests of harmony".

So the game was replayed, and this time Hahlbohm won in 31 moves!>

We have both games in the database now:

The original: N Whitaker vs H H Hahlbohm, 1921

The replay: N Whitaker vs H H Hahlbohm, 1921

I felt it important to state this because if our beloved librarian was unaware of these special circumstances it would look quite confusing; both games being so similar and both being labeled "round 2". Plus, it's fun to see a game by the infamous Whitaker.

Aug-10-11
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  chessgames.com: <whiteshark: For some reason all Kosintseva vs Kosintseva games mashup twice> Yes as SwitchingQ said, it's just a well known bug. You see it on Morphy-Morphy, Polgar-Polgar, etc. One day we'll get around to that, promise.
Aug-11-11  gauer: It was great news to hear about the existence of Viewer Deluxe chessforum (page 12), & one brave day, I might switch the default "reference database" in another program to one which has only 100 or so players, but with (occasional) slight spelling variants - to see if that program can pick up in its pid look-up the spelling conventions that a chessgames format uses instead.

It's also exciting to hear that the Bio Bistro & Library corners are also being hit with some good brainstorming ideas, making filtering of names like Janelle Mae Frayna (does anyone know of any lists of the commonest 1000-10000 or so top picked unisex first names for a gender? - any time an Alice or Mary comes up, a tag check might be in order) easier. World Junior Championships (Girls) (2011) uses "girls". Tweaking those types of priorities were not implied to be 'high', but just occasional bugs that would be noticed if a game needed adding. Speaking of which, the Librarian seems to can't/doesn't (if at all) view a pgn-upload's included comments until after a batch has been screened for upload, which explains to others about what types of extra data can be held with a pid/tid/gid for clarifications.

<gauer> has to check out of the library again, before he gets fined for excessive whispering!

Aug-11-11
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <chessgames.com: We also ran into odd things like this: Sochi 22nd Women's R (1966) -- clearly games like Polugaevsky vs Matulovic, 1966 should not label anybody as a female. Yet women are in the roster. Not sure what that is, but with that "R" at the end it's clear something there is mislabeled.>

The men's games are all from 4th Chigorin Memorial (we seem to have most games from that, scattered under any number of event tags)...

Aug-12-11
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  Domdaniel: < any time an Alice or Mary comes up> Males from the music biz such as Alice Cooper ... and wasn't there a guy named Mary in the Virgin Prunes? ... are merely defying convention in order to transgress in a way that causes young males to spend money, or did in the past.

But the name/gender issue is not simple. Ask any Hispanic male named Jose Maria.

I blame sexual dimorphism.

Aug-13-11  twinlark: <I blame sexual dimorphism.>

I believe Di Morphy was mopping the floor with opponents back in the Cambrian.

Aug-17-11
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  CG Librarian: Hi guys.

On the <New Orleans-Wch> games: We did a search for all games with this in "event" or "site" fields. Here are the "tournaments" where most/all games contain these labels:

New Orleans-Wch (1948)
New Orleans-Wch (1954)
? (1955)

If any of you would enjoy identifying the actual tournaments of these games, submit a slip on each game (or list them by tournament here, that might actually be better) and I'll fix it. I agree that it definitely seems "New Orleans" is some kind of consistent error for "New York".

There were also a few more labeled as "Rice Memorial" but with "New Orleans-Wch" in the site field. I combined them into a tournament here:

Rice Memorial (1913)

The only problem is, they're from 1913 and the first Rice Memorial was 1916. So I guess they are actually from the Rice Chess Club tournament 1913 that <Phony Benoni> referred to.

<gauer> Incidentally, currently the other admins are still processing the new game submissions, not me. I'm doing my best though.

Aug-17-11
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  Phony Benoni: <CG Librarian> The Rice referred to in Rice Memorial (1913) was Isaac L. Rice, who died in 1915. This tournament is surely the <Rice Chess Club Tournament>, held July 2-August 19, 1913. It was most notable for Capablanca making a perfect score of 11/11 (or 13/13 if you count the two guys who forfeited all their games). Here's a crosstable:

1 Jose Raul Capablanca X 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 11.0
2 Oldrich Duras 0 X 1 1 1 = 1 = 1 1 = 1 8.5
3 Roy Turnbull Black 0 0 X 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 8.0
4 Oscar Chajes 0 0 0 X 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 7.0
5 Abraham Kupchik 0 0 = 0 X 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 7.0
6 Albert Marder 0 = = 0 0 X 1 1 = 1 1 1 6.5
7 Edward Tennenwurzel 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 1 1 1 1 = 4.5
8 G F Adair 0 = 0 1 0 0 0 X = = = 1 4.0
9 Jacob Bernstein 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 = X 1 1 1 4.0
10 F P Beynon 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 X = 1 2.0
11 Harold Meyer Phillips 0 = 0 0 = 0 0 = 0 = X 0 2.0
12 Jacob Grommer 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 X 1.5

I checked at Chess365.com, and the three games by Grommer are definitely from this tournament.

The situation is also confused because there was another New York 1913 held January 19-February 5, won by Capablanca with a measly 11/13. Several players were in both tournaments.

Someone really needs to do a collection, but I'm not sure I know how.

Aug-17-11  crawfb5: Looks to me like the event for the two 1948 "New Orleans" games have already been identified:

Game Collection: New York 1948/49

http://www.rookhouse.com/events/ny1...

The 1954 "New Orleans" games are from the 1954 US championship in New York:

Game Collection: 1954 US Championship

Aug-17-11  crawfb5: <Someone really needs to do a collection, but I'm not sure I know how.>

HAHAHAHAHA

It would have been more convincing had you said, "I'm not sure I can crawl out from under all this US Open material long enough to do one."

Aug-17-11  crawfb5: Larry Evans vs Lombardy, 1956 from the mixed-year file <?(1955)> is definitely from the Second Rosenwald Memorial tournament in New York, as it was published in Chess Review, Jan 1956.

The tournament included Bisguier, Evans, Reshevsky, Horowitz, Shipman, and Lombardy. All of the other 1956 "New Orleans" games in that file are probably from the Rosenwald, but I haven't time to check the rest of them tonight.

Aug-18-11  crawfb5: <...Second Rosenwald Memorial tournament in New York, as it was published in Chess Review, Jan 1956.>

Um, make that <Feb> 1956.

From Mar 1956 Chess Review:

Lombardy vs Reshevsky, 1956

is also from the second Rosenwald.

From a Larry Evans <Chess Life> series of columns on openings from the second Rosenwald, this one can also be confirmed:

Reshevsky vs Lombardy, 1956

I'm out of time again, perhaps I can confirm additional 1956 "Narlens" games tonight.

Aug-18-11  whiteshark: <CG Librarian> the six '1969/1972 games' of Boris Furman belong to Semyon Abramovich Furman
Aug-18-11  crawfb5: J Sherwin vs Bisguier, 1955

Bisguier vs D Byrne, 1955

Larry Evans vs Bisguier, 1955

Bisguier vs J Sherwin, 1955

All are from the <first> Rosenwald tournament in New York, and were published in Chess Review, 1955.

Aug-18-11  crawfb5: I A Horowitz vs Bisguier, 1956 is from the second Rosenwald, and was published in the NY Times on 22 Dec 1955 (the tournament ran from 18 Dec 1955 to 3 Jan 1956).

W Shipman vs Lombardy, 1956 is also from the second Rosenwald, and was published in the NY Times on 23 Dec 1955.

I have not yet seen a contemporary printed source for these four:

Lombardy vs Larry Evans, 1956

Lombardy vs W Shipman, 1956

Larry Evans vs Bisguier, 1956

Lombardy vs Bisguier, 1956

but I'd bet they are all from the second Rosenwald. The Bisguier games might be in <The Art of Bisguier>, but I don't have that book.

R Durkin vs Curtis, 1955

might be an "unknown" event from 1955, but it is definitely <NOT> from the first Rosenwald.

Aug-19-11  crawfb5: The 1918 "New Orleans" games are from the 7-player New York 1918 tournament, as seen in one of my early game collections:

Game Collection: New York 1918

The 1924 "New Orleans" games are from the New York 1924 tournament, as seen in one of <Benzol's> game collections:

Game Collection: New York 1924

Aug-19-11  whiteshark: Please merge these two players: Ilia Odesskij and Ilia Odessky

And to make the things even more confusing: His book <Play 1.b3!>, published by 'New in Chess', writes it <Ilya Odessky <>>

Thanks

Aug-21-11
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  Phony Benoni: <CG Librarian> I've done some work on the connections between "New York 1913" and :New Orleans WcH 1913". My suspicions seem to be correct, that most of the games were from the Rice Chess Club Summer Masters Tournament. The following games fall into that category:

Kupchik vs Duras, 1913, J Bernstein vs Duras, 1913, O Chajes vs Duras, 1913, Duras vs E Tennenwurzel, 1913, F Beynon vs Duras, 1913, H Phillips vs Duras, 1913, Duras vs G F Adair, 1913, G Beihoff vs Capablanca, 1913

The three games labelled "Rice Memorial" are also from this event:

Duras vs J Grommer, 1913, J Grommer vs Kupchik, 1913, J Grommer vs G F Adair, 1913

However, there is yet another event involved. These games:

Duras vs C Jaffe, 1913, O Chajes vs Duras, 1913, C Jaffe vs Duras, 1913, Duras vs O Chajes, 1913, Duras vs Marshall, 1913, Marshall vs Duras, 1913

Are from a quadrangular tournament, also held at the Rice-Progressive Chess Club soon after the Summer tournament was over. Final scores: Marshall 5, Duras 4, Chajes 2.5, Jaffe 0.5.

I've put togetther a couple of collections:

Game Collection: New York 1913 (American National Masters) Game Collection: New York 1913 (Rice Chess Club Summer Tournament

And I'll probably work on the quad as well once I find some more info on it. We do have all the games.

Aug-25-11  whiteshark: It seems as if it's a 3:1 merger, again: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Aug-26-11
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  Phony Benoni: Another large-scale change: <Londen> in site or event should probably be <London>. Quite a few can be found under Ignatz Von Kolisch during 1860 and 1861.
Aug-26-11  Dr. J: Today's Opening of The Day looks to be mostly worthless games from amateur events. Why are they even in the database? They are all-noise-no-signal, and only lessen the value of your (otherwise invaluable) database.
Aug-27-11  sneaky pete: <Phony Benoni> Most Kolisch games apparently stem from a Dutch source. Londen is London, Wenen (2 games) is Wien (you call it Vienna), Parijs is Paris and Berlijn (1 game) is Berlin.

It's not only Kolisch who is suffering from the Dutch disease, so harmonising all that is quite a task.

Sep-12-11  Blunderdome: As someone pointed out at his player page, there are games from the 1930s and 40s attributed to Henry Edward Bird. It's some other Bird, of course.
Sep-12-11  crawfb5: The last four games are the ones in error, obviously. They appear to all be Australian events, and one M Searle vs Bird, 1939 is listed as from the Australian Women's Correspondence Championship, so perhaps this Bird is female. Maybe one of our members from down that way can shed some light on our mystery Bird.
Sep-12-11  crawfb5: The 1938 Kashdan-Horowitz match (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...) is mislabeled as "ch USA."

What happened is as follows. They were co-winners of the 1938 American Chess Federation championship held during June in Boston. Interest was expressed in holding a match between the two and sufficient funds were raised to make a 10-game match a reality. Both were busy, so it took from mid-October to the end of December 1938 to play the 10 games. Horowitz left the next day for his yearly multi-month US tour and both had missed wins in games, so no effort was made to break the 5-5 tie.

As Reshevsky had won the 1938 US championship tournament back in the spring, and this was a playoff match of sorts for the <ACF> championship, the US title was in no way involved.

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