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Sep-15-11
 | | chessgames.com: <Phony Benoni: Another large-scale change: <Londen> in site or event should probably be <London>.> I"ve noticed that garbage now and again, but I never knew how pervasive it really was. I just did a find-and-replace, hopefully that got them all. Here's what it found: Londen -> London
Londen GLC -> London GLC
Londen m -> London m
Londen IT -> London IT
Londen Lloyds Bank -> London Lloyds Bank
Londen LB -> London LB
Londen m -> London m
Londen m -> London m
Londen m -> London m
Londen -> London
Londen m -> London m
Londen -> London |
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Sep-15-11
| | chessgames.com: <Dr. J: Today's Opening of The Day looks to be mostly worthless games from amateur events. Why are they even in the database? They are all-noise-no-signal, and only lessen the value of your (otherwise invaluable) database.> It's not easy for me to look back by date to see what opening you refer to, but based on your description I can guess that it might have been this lemon: The Kentucky Gambit aka Jerome Gambit
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. Bxf7+?!
(see Opening Explorer) This opening has a little bit of history behind it, in that 4.Bxf7?! was tried by a historian and chess enthusiast Alonzo Wheeler Jerome. And then there is a hilarious refutation of the gambit in NN vs Blackburne, 1880. Perhaps you are referring to a different opening, but in short we don't think that oddball openings are completely worthless if we restrain ourselves to only a handful of games. Arguably it should never be Opening of the Day again, except perhaps on April 1st. |
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Sep-18-11
 | | Stonehenge: CG Librarian has not kibitzed in a month and is neglecting the correction slips, it seems. Rather disappointing :( |
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Sep-19-11
| | chessgames.com: She's not a big kibitzer, but I assure you the correction slips are being processed. |
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| Sep-19-11 | | Shams: I have to be honest, the girl looked overworked so I took her to the coast for a few days of sandy frolicking. Women with glasses, what can I tell you. I practically had to pour her into a wine bottle to get her back to the city, but she should be turning out work in a few days. |
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Oct-04-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Hello!
The game score for this is incorrect:
Lilienthal vs Nezhmetdinov, 1951 The bogus checkmate makes for a good "game of the day pun" but it also didn't happen. Here is the game score given by <Rashid Nezhmetdinov> himself, from his own autobiography, sourced and documented: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Nf3 Nbd7 5.g3 exd4 6.Nxd4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.0-0 0-0 9.b3 Nc5 10. b4 Ne6 11.Nb3 Nd7 12. Bb2 Ne5 13.Na5 Nd4 14. Na4 c5 15.a3 Bg4 16.Bxd4 cxd4 17.h3 Be6 18.c5 b5 19.cxb6 axb6 20.Bxa8 Qxa8 21.Nxb6 Qa6 22.Na4 Bxh3 23.Rc1 d3 24.exd3 Qa8 25.f3 Ng4 26.Nc4 Bd4+ 27.Kh1 Qd5 28.Rc2 Bxf1 White Resigns. 0-1 <Nezhmetdinov's Best Games of Chess> Rashid Nezhmetdinov
Translated by Dale Brandreth
Caissa Editions, 2000
pp. 45-46
I think that <Rashid Nehzmetdinov> should be credited with being most likely to have the correct score for this game- since he freaking played it, and annotated it himself in his own autobiography. Please fix this, as it's giving me hives.
I regard this to be a priority case, given that it was recently "game of the day" and thus in the spotlight. |
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Oct-04-11
 | | Phony Benoni: I agree with what <JFQ> has just posted. There has been substantial kibitzing about the score of the game in the last couple of days, since various sources disagree about the details of the exact score. In a case like this, the player himself is surely the best source. I have submitted a correction slip. |
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Oct-04-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Greetings, Americans of a certain age>
After seeing the brilliant Commons-Peev game - GOTD a few days ago - I noticed that both players were badly under-represented in the CG database (75 or so games each, where in other sources Commons is 200+ and Peev more like 500). So I've started to upload a few. One small conundrum: Chessbase has several Commons games from an event it describes as the <72nd US championship>, played in Ventura in 1971 -- to be precise, it's called <USA-72ch Ventura>. No precise dates, but the event seems to be contemporaneous with the Fischer-Spassky match. It might even have been the very last American tournament before the Bobby Boom. The CG database has just one of these games already, in which Commons lost to Reshevsky in a 32-move King's Indian. But the event is called the <72nd US Open> there. The closeness of the '72' to the year, 1971, is also a tad suspicious. I don't have many 'zines from the early 70s, and I'm a bit vague on the distinction between the US Open and championship ... but the question should be a simple one for many of you. So who's right? What *was* the Ventura 1972 event? Open or Championship? Commons played Reshevsky, Sokolowski, McCrory, Nash, PD Smith, Romanenko and Schwarz, among others. Not all of these are easily identifiable - we have a <P Smith> in the database here, but he's almost certainly more than one person. Probably a PG Wodehouse character, perhaps an escapee from Lord Emsworth's small yet daunting prisoner-of-war camp at Blandings. Apart from the last para, I'm being perfectly serious. On a broader front, I have the impression that the CG database has many gaps from this period, the early 70s. Wouldn't an uploading 'surge' be a good idea? We might even coordinate our efforts, by each choosing a different player. |
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Oct-04-11
| | Phony Benoni: <Domdaniel> I can help you on that one. The tournament was the <72nd US Open Championship>, held at Ventura, California from August 8-20, 1971. It was a 12-round Swiss System tournament, drawing 402 players of all levels, who played in one large section. It has no direct connection with the US Closed Championship. The US Open has been held annually since 1900, which is why the 72nd was in 1971. I'm slowly assembling collections of the US Open, and am currently submitting games from 1951. See here if interested: Game Collection: US Open Index Collection By the way, the opponent of Kim Commons was "Philip D. Smith", not Rupert Psmith. We Colonials enjoy Wodehouse as well. |
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Oct-05-11
 | | WannaBe: Nice to know, that the US Chess Federation did not stop their annual tournament due to minor things such as WWI, or WWII. Able bodies men had to travel by train to their destination to participate in the tournament... Remind me to look into that index and see who participated in the '42-'45 tournaments. |
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| Oct-05-11 | | crawfb5: #23 Commons, Kim S. 1971 US Open, Ventura, CA
ROUND OPPONENT
1 W122 Robert Salgado
2 W168 Edmund Nash
3 W118 Robert Erkes
4 L3 Samuel Reshevsky
5 D366 Jerry Wollschlager
6 L61 Mark Sokolowski
7 W99 Donald McCrory
8 W83 James McFarland
9 W62 Philip D. Smith
10 L42 Stuart Schwartz
11 W93 Ivan Romanenko
12 W55 Martin Appleberry
8.5/12 -- not his best tournament.
The US Open, as <PB> indicated, is (now) a large, Swiss system tournament with no rating or performance restrictions on entrants (if <I> played in one, you can be sure there are no restrictions to keep out the unwashed). Foreign players are eligible to play. While there are class prizes, there is only the one big section for pairing. Of course it is usually won by some GM (I think Gulko won it on tiebreak this year). The US (closed) championship is by invitation only and restricted to players residing in the US. Over the years the details have changed as to who gets seeded in and who has to qualify. Some years winning the US Open got you seeded into the US championship, which is the only link between the two of which I am aware. In 1957, Fischer won the US Junior, then the US Open, then the US championship. Not a bad year, all things considered. <Wouldn't an uploading 'surge' be a good idea?> It would either stimulate faster processing of uploads or permanently break something that's barely working, I'm not sure which. |
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Oct-05-11
| | Phony Benoni: It's interesting that Commons played both Edmund Nash and Samuel Reshevsky. Not only did both have victories over Fischer, but both played in the US Open (or its predecessor) over a period of more than 60 years (Reshevsky, 1924-1990; Nash, 1934-1997). Not every year, of course, but still an impressive span. |
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Oct-05-11
| | Domdaniel: <Phony & crawf> Thank you both. I'd suspected that the US open was, well, open, and I knew that the championship traditionally wasn't, but you've helped to clarify things. It seems the almighty Chessbase is, in this case, less than accurate. I've submitted the Commons-Nash game, because it was interesting and I knew who Nash was. Some of Commons' other opponents in Ventura, such as McCrory and Smith, don't seem to be represented in the CG database. Following <crawf>'s advice, I've postponed a surge. Instead I'm cherrypicking a few games played by Commons and Peev and submitting them one at a time. |
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Oct-05-11
| | Domdaniel: <Phony> - < We Colonials enjoy Wodehouse as well> I should hope so. The old boy practically *was* one. Some of his American characters are superb - those bulldozer-like squillionaire tycoons convinced that the English upper classes are several gaskets short of a working prototype. To adapt the Master, it is rarely difficult to distinguish between a Colonial with a sense of humour and a rainstorm. Why, oh why, is that such a miserably weak attempt at metaphor? When Wodehouse's *Scotsman with a grudge* vs *ray of sunshine* was sheer genius? |
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| Oct-15-11 | | gauer: 1st black player is N Grossman, 2nd is H D Grossman (vs Marshall, 1922). gid=1095040: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 dxe4 <transposing back to that other move order below for the 1st of 2 times> 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Nf3 Be7 6. Bd3 Ngf6 7. O-O Nxe4 8. Bxe4 Nf6 9. Bd3 O-O 10. Ne5 <white's position is now the same as in the 2nd game version below, but at his 9th move> c5 11. dxc5 Bxc5 12. Bg5 Be7 13. Qf3 Qd5 14. Qe2 b6 15. Rad1 Qc5 16. Bxf6 Bxf6 17. Qe4 g6 18. Ng4 1-0 gid=1513559: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Nf3 Be7 6. Bd3 Ngf6 7. Nxf6+ Nxf6 8. Ne5 O-O 9. O-O c5 10. dxc5 Bxc5 11. Bg5 Be7 12. Qf3 Qd5 13. Qe2 b6 14. Rad1 Qc5 15. Bxf6 Bxf6 16. Qe4 g6 17. Ng4 1-0 The "find similar" feature even misses the similarity feature of the game. Do any detectives know the true story of these types of errors, or at least which check-boxes to click when submitting a duplicates slip? The puzzle with some pairs of competitors is precisely that occasionally 2 separate scoresheets are collected, but normally move-order mistakes more often get reported in time scrambles. |
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Oct-16-11
| | Phony Benoni: <gauer> Fortunately, that one can be easily resolved. The game was published in Hermann Helms' column in the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, March 16, 1922: <Marshall, Frank James> - <Grossman, Howard D>
Metropolitian League Match New York, NY, 1922.03.12
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Nf3 Be7 6.Bd3 Ngf6 7.Nxf6+ Nxf6 8.Ne5 0-0 9.0-0 c5 10.dxc5 Bxc5 11.Bg5 Be7 12.Qf3 Qd5 13.Qe2 b6 14.Rad1 Qc5 15.Bxf6 Bxf6 16.Qe4 g6 17.Ng4 1-0 This matches the second game in our database. Another confirmation is that Howard D Grossman was a third-year student at City College of New York at the time, while Nat Grossman must have been significantly younger since he played in a high school tournament several years later. I can only guess about the origin of the <3.Nd2> order of moves. Perhaps somebody was studying the line, found that the position from Marshall - Grossman matched the variation being studied, and assumed the game also started with that order of moves. |
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| Oct-21-11 | | whiteshark: <Castle made of Sand> http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Oct-27-11 | | whiteshark: <O, beware, my lord, of jealousy; it is the green-ey'd monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on.> Please delete two duplicate games of Maurice Jago. 1954 and 1964 are the correct years in which the games started. |
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| Nov-13-11 | | brankat: Hi! First time here. Didn't even know the place existed until a few minutes ago. Up until now when I saw, or I thought I saw, inaccuracies (mostly in Bios) I'd report to Chessgames.com forum. Actually I did a couple of these only yesterday. Now, that seems to have been a wrong procedure. For a rookie like myself stipulations in the Profile are somewhat confusing: <If you've submitted a correction there's no need to post here about it. I will see the correction slip and it will be fixed as soon as possible.> a) What is a correction slip?
b) Where does one deposit it?
Thank You. |
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Nov-13-11
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <brankat> Let's suppose you want to tell CG that Black's name in DeFirmian vs I Zhivanov, 1981 should be spelled Ivan Zivanovic (or even Ivan Živanović). You go to either the game page or the Ivan Zhivanov page and you will find a correction slip link just below the kibitzing area. Suppose you go to the Zhivanov page - you'll get here: Error Correction Form You select "the name of this player is wrong, or incomplete, or spelled incorrectly" and "this player is a duplicate of another player on file". Then you shortly describe the problem below: "This is actually Ivan Zivanovic. <Karpova> suggests this in the kibitzing, and Chessmetrics.com and 365Chess.com both confirm the 1981 game at least was indeed played by Zivanovic. (The other game looks highly fishy anyway.)" |
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| Nov-13-11 | | brankat: <SwitchingQuylthulg> Thank You. I feel kinda silly now, that after six years of kibitzing here I'd never even noticed the "Corr. slip" line. But come to think of that, it is DB's designer fault. Such an important database feature deserves a bigger font :-) |
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| Nov-14-11 | | brankat: <CG Librarian chessforum> Hi. Me again. Although not a correction issue, I'll post this here, since I'm not sure where else to do so. CG.com forum perhaps? Anyhow, I've been wondering for quite a while whether it would be possible to (finally) have a photograph of old GM Borislav Kostic (one of the original 27 GMs) added to his player's page. Thank You. |
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| Dec-02-11 | | whiteshark: Please unify: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Dec-05-11 | | whiteshark: Here's someone for further unification:
Trine Treppendahl;
T Treppendahl;
Rasted Trine |
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Dec-12-11
 | | FSR: Hi. Yunieyv Alexsey and Alexey Yuneev are the same guy, and should be consolidated under Alexey Yuneev. This game of theirs is a duplicate: Shirov vs Yunieyv Alexsey, 1989 and Shirov vs A Yuneev, 1989. |
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