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Dec-13-12
 | | OhioChessFan: Thanks <optimal> If you do a word search of user:OhioChessfan tune, you'll find a boatload of them. Most are from the Pogo game and are Chessbar Masters parodies. Wabbit, I googled that guy and he doesn't look all that much like the typical Jesus character you see in movies. |
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| Dec-14-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
Ok, with <32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Rfd7> the knight sac on h6 seems to be rather effective: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Rfd7 34. Nxh6+ 
click for larger viewgxh6 35. Rxh6 Qe8 36. g5 Rg7 37. g6 Qf8 38. Rg2 Kh8 39. Rhh2 Bg5 40. Rxg5 Rab7 41. gxh7 Ra7 42. Rxg7 Qxg7 43. Rg2 Qxh7+ 44. Rh2 Rg7 45. Qf5 Qxh2+ 46. Kxh2 Rh7+ 47. Kg2 Rg7+ 48. Bg5 c5 49. e6 Kg8 50. dxc5 Rxg5+ 51. Qxg5+ Kf8 52. Qg6 Ke7 53. Qf7+ Kd8 54. Qd7# 1-0 
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| Dec-15-12 | | Wild Bill: Analysis for 32...Rfe7
32.fxe6 Rfe7
click for larger view33.Bxh6!! g6 34.Nf5 g5 35.Nxe7+ then
. I. If 35...Rxe7 36.Bxg5 Rg7 then
. .. A. If 37.Rxh7 then
. . . . 1. If 37...Qxe6 38.Rxg7+ then
. .. . . . a. 38...Kxg7 39.Qh7+ Kf8 40.Qh8+ Kf7 41.Rh7+ Kg6 42.Qg7#. . .. . . . b. 38...Kf8 39.Rh8+ Kxg7 40.Qh7#.
. . . . 2. 37...Kf8 38.Rxg7 Kxg7 39.Qh7+ Kf8 40.Bh6#. . .. B. If 37.Bxd8 Qxd8 38.Rxh7 Kf8 39.Rxg7 then
. . . . 1. 39...Qh4 40.Qf5+ Ke8 41.Qf7+ Kd8 42.Qd7#.
. . . . 2. 39...Qe8 40.Rh8+ Kxg7 41.Qh7#.
.II. If 35...Qxe7 36.Qg6+ Kh8 37.Bf8 then
. .. A. 37...Qb7 38.Qe8 Qf7 39.exf7 Rxf7 40.Rxh7+ Rxh7 41.Bh6#. . .. B. 37...Rc7 38.Bxe7 Rxe7 39.Rxh7+ Rxh7 40.Qxh7#. I don't rhink he'll play this one. |
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| Dec-15-12 | | kwid: I'll take up your offer to start with preparing the team for the next encounter. It may be of some importance to review our last game preparation as a fountation to build on. Since the win in this game is almost a certainty, questions for our discovered Novelty and game reference used to show the degree of importance will be raised. My point is that any win at high level encounters either shows a discovery of a theoretical importance or a blunder simply giving the game away. Therefore could we show our <search for promising positions> leading to a forced win and/or <what plan did we follow to lead us to discover a novelty> should be the base for our game preparation. |
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| Dec-15-12 | | DcGentle: <kwid>: Well, the essence of our preparation was reviewing already played high-level games, in our case correspondence games, that tend to have a higher quality than OTB games. By the way, that's the same way I also prepare for an opening, that doesn't belong to my repertoire yet. Before you can do your own stuff, you have to know what is known and what the others have tried already. |
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| Dec-15-12 | | kwid: DC, you are placing a high priority for collecting games first. this assumes that you start looking at specific lines which you expect to be played. Makes a lot of sence. I was thinking that we may benefit from analysing the current game to see
where improvement could be made.
It seems more important to me that we look at our present ways of how we search for lines, moves and or ideas and their implementation. What positions are best suitable for our team to solve should be part of our opening selection plan. |
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| Dec-15-12 | | kwid: Dec-15-12 Repost:
OhioChessFan: <OhioChessFan: I think a nice place to discuss next game would be Analysis Forum chessforum>
<kwid: It would be of great interest i am sure. But it also could diminish our chances to win if our preparation is conducted in public view.>Forums are hidden from public view by the preferences of the forum owner. I occasionally look to make sure they're hidden. <Should we only discuss opening theory in general terms to get a better understanding of the importance of pawn skeleton vs weak or strong pieces etc. Or try to maximize our tactical strength by setting our aims to reach positions most favorable for our style of play?> I think the consensus view is we are at our best in tactical positions, but I will note this game showed how good we are at positional games, especially our ignoring the engines when that was called for. Probably the best discussions would be to find a consenus on a good 7-8 move opening plan and not be at the whims of the casual voters who tend to overhwelm the first few moves of voting. |
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| Dec-15-12 | | kwid: Repost:
Dec-15-12 zsoydd: .
So it seems we're mentally already in the next game, discussing what to play with Black against 1.e4. First of all get rid of the illusion that our team is so strong that we need to play for victory by all means, even with black. Since black is behind one tempo we first need to get an equal game - as risk free as possible! Only with an equal game, if there is enough complexity left on the board, it makes sense to start dreaming of winning attempts. I can only recommend the Sicilian, in particular the Najdorf defense (1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6) if white plays the open Sicilian. Everything else is dubious in my view. 1.e4 c6 - You saw what happens
1.e4 e5 - Black has difficulties to get an equal endgame, even with Spanish or Russian (Petrov). 1.e4 e6 - White always gets more space and a 'real' advantage in development. This is enough to make black's life rather hard. 1.e4 Nf6 - Again white has too much freedom.
1.e4 Nc6 - Exotic and too passive.
1.e4 d5 - Not really successful against machine assisted play. 1.e4 g6 - Black has difficulties to get even a nearly equal game. Some might think that the Sic-Najdorf is threatened by the English attack ("6 Be3 followed by f3, g4, Qd2 and 0-0-0 in some order" - cited from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicili...) but this is pure illusion. It looks to me as if the English attack is only that popular because the chess engines value the white prospects overly high (0.30 to 0.40 in the middle game of the main lines). When black survives the first attack wave white might be surprised the best remaining option (to avoid loss) is a forced perpetual chess. discuss ... :) |
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| Dec-15-12 | | kwid: I am with zsoydd to get early consensus for adopting the Naydorf in reply to 1.e4 we play c5 we need to review:
a)c3
b)Nc3
then start with d4 d6 and look at Bb5+ and go to d4 cd4, Nd4 Nf6,Nc3 a6 here white has quite a few options for which we need preparations to lead us into our desired position. we need then to review the latest available theory for those lines and actual success rate assessment.
At this stage we need to collect all games rated at least 2600 to make an opening report.
This would give us the opportunity to review and analyze critical games and comments as to their true validity.
So if we can get majority agreement to play c5 in reply to e4 we are up and running: |
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| Dec-15-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
Well, with <33. Nf5 Rfb7> the knight sac on h6 is most likely better: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Rfb7 
click for larger view34. Nxh6+ gxh6 35. Rxh6 Qf7 36. g5 Qf8 37. e6 Kh8 38. g6 Rg7 39. Qh3 Rab7 40. Be3 Ra7 41. Rf2 Qg8 42. Qf5 Rxg6 43. Rxg6 Rg7 44. Qe5 Bc7 45. Rxg7 Qxg7 46. Qh5 Bd6 47. Rf7 Qxf7 48. Qxf7 Bf8 49. e7 Bxe7 50. Qxe7 Nf8 51. Qxf8+ Kh7 52. Qf7+ Kh8 53. Bh6 c5 54. Qg7# 1-0 
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| Dec-16-12 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Elvis take time out for this. ; P
The Twelve days of Christmas - Allen Sherman
http://youtu.be/EaPXEWGjlQw |
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Dec-16-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: It took me a full day to understand the message you left in my forum. That's how quick I am. 1000 lesson plans to do. Anyways it's been great to see you so much in there especially with hyperlink art. Merry Christmas!
I didn't get where I am today by not celebrating Christmas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZUZ... |
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| Dec-16-12 | | Thorski: <OCF> Left you a reply at the beehive of activity that is Tomislav Music. |
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| Dec-16-12 | | morfishine: Hello <OhioChessFan>! One last time for some fun with other lines... Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
BLACK ANNOUNCES MATE IN 11 AFTER DAZZLING QUEEN SACRIFICE! 33.Nf5 Qe7 34.Nxe7+ Raxe7 35.Bxh6 gxh6 36.Rxh6 Rg7 37.Rxc6 Rxg4 38.Rch6 Reg7 39.Rf2 Re4 40.Rxh7 Rxh7+ 41.Kg2 Rg7+ 42.Kf1 Bh4 43.Rg2 Re1# 
click for larger viewFormer WT spokesperson, Zig Zwang, who was immediately fired after the catastrophe, was asked how this could possibly happen. Zig replied "I take full responsibility. Only now is the folly of <38.Rxh6> clearly obvious. Blinded by an attack down the h-file, I ignored my teammates pleas for <38.Rc8>, which wins on the spot, and lobbied for this losing Howler, which the voting public fell for. Canadian Chess reporter Dan Lang Sackitall, wasn't buying any of it. Sackitall asked, with some heat, "Sorry Zig, thats not good enough. The International Chess community deserves better. I mean, Jupiter Bloopiter, White's position was so strong, the Queen sac could've been ignored and they still would've won. What on earth happened?" Zig, clearly overcome by the tragic loss and his subsequent dismissal, could only croak out a few halting words "I'm sorry, this has all been too much..." And he turned away, walking slowly, lost in his own thoughts; thoughts that probably dealt with having to live with his name forever attached to a game labeled: 'Zig Feld Follies'
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| Dec-16-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
Good news!
The moves <33... Nf6>, and <33... Ng5> seemed to pose problems, but now I have found in both cases decent mate lines! So first <33... Nf6>: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Nf6 
click for larger view34. Nxh6+ gxh6 35. Rxh6 Rh7 36. Rg6+ Kf8 37. Bh6+ Ke8 38. g5 Raf7 39. gxf6 Kd7 40. Rg7 Rfxg7 41. Bxg7 Rxh2+ 42. Kxh2 Bc7 43. Qf3 Bd8 44. f7 Be7 45. Qh5 Kc7 46. f8=Q Bxf8 47. Bxf8 Qg8 48. Qf5 Kd8 49. Qf6+ Kc8 50. Qxc6+ Kd8 51. Qd6+ Kc8 52. Qc5+ Kd7 53. Qe7+ Kc6 54. Qd6+ Kb7 55. Qd7+ Kb8 56. Bd6+ Ka8 57. Qc6+ Ka7 58. Qb6+ Ka8 59. Qxa6# 1-0 
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| Dec-16-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
Now for <33. Nf5 Ng5>: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Ng5 34. Nxh6+ gxh6 35. Rxh6 
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Hopefully Black would resign here.
Qxh6 36. Rxh6 Ne4 37. Kg2 Rh7 38. Qh3 Raf7 39. g5 Rxh6 40. gxh6 Kh8 41. Qg4 Rc7 42. Qg6 Re7 43. Qxc6 Bc7 44. Bg5 Nxg5 45. Qf6+ Kh7 46. Qxe7+ Kxh6 47. Qxc7 Ne4 48. Qc6+ Kg5 49. e6 Kf6 50. Qxd5 Ng5 51. Qe5+ Ke7 52. d5 Kd8 53. Qxg5+ Kc8 54. e7 Kd7 55. d6 Kxd6 56. e8=Q Kc7 57. Qge7# 1-0 
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| Dec-16-12 | | morfishine: I was wondering if this holds water:
33.Nf5 Nf6 34.Rg3 Nxg4 35.Rxg4 Rxf5 36.Rxh6 Qf7 37.Rhg6 Rf1+ 38.Rg1 Rxc1
39.Rxc1 Qf2
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Dec-16-12
| | OhioChessFan: <BLACK ANNOUNCES MATE IN 11 AFTER DAZZLING QUEEN SACRIFICE!> LOL that should be on the game page.
< I was wondering if this holds water: 33.Nf5 Nf6 34.Rg3 Nxg4 35.Rxg4 Rxf5 36.Rxh6 Qf7 37.Rhg6 Rf1+ 38.Rg1 Rxc1 39.Rxc1 Qf2 > <36...Rf1+> 37. Qxf1 Qxg4 and that is a quick draw. It is interesting that a series of plausible looking moves could still mess us up. |
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| Dec-17-12 | | morfishine: Hello <OhioChessFan>! Glad you liked that parody...Perhaps, with your blessing, I'll post if over at the main page Here's my latest on <33...Bf6> Since I was finding 34.Bxh6 & 34.Nxh6 was coming up a little short, I looked at <34.g5> practically forcing Black to sac the Queen on move 34: 33.Nf5 Bf6 34.g5 Qxf5 35.Qxf5 Bxg5 36.Qc8+ Rf8 37.Qxc6 Bxc1 38.Qxd5+ Kh8 
click for larger viewWhile Black has given up the Queen for two-minors giving White a solid central pawn majority, it appears there is some fight left *Note: If <36.Qxg5> 36...hxg5 37.Rxh7 Rf1+ 38.Kg2 Rxc1
click for larger viewAnd if 36.Bxg5 then 36...Rxf5
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I don't know if anyone has looked at this move order, but I don't see it on the AT |
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| Dec-18-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
*hmmm* Applying Rh5-methods after <33. Nf5 Kh8> the mate was only one move
earlier than move 60:
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Kh8 
click for larger view34. Bxh6 g6 35. Nd6 Rfd7 36. Bd2 Rdc7 37. Rh6 Rg7 38. Qh3 Rac7 39. Nf5 Rgf7 40. Nh4 Rg7 41. Nf3 Qg8 42. Ng5 Rgd7 43. Bf4 Bxg5 44. Bxg5 Qe8 45. Bf6+ Kg8 46. e6 Ra7 47. g5 Rdb7 48. Qg3 Re7 49. Bxe7 Rxe7 50. Qe5 c5 51. bxc5 Qf8 52. Rf2 Qg7 53. Qb8+ Qf8 54. Rxg6+ Rg7 55. Rxf8+ Nxf8 56. e7 Kf7 57. e8=Q+ Kg8 58. Qxf8+ Kh7 59. Qxg7# 1-0 
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| Dec-18-12 | | DcGentle: Repost:
If Black plays the most likely worst move <33. Nf5 Bf6>, checkmate will show up accordingly early. By the way, only a bit stronger is <34... gxh6>. 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Nd7 6. O-O Bg6 7. a4 Ne7 8. a5 Nf5 9. c3 h6 10. Nbd2 Be7 11. g4 Nh4 12. Nxh4 Bxh4 13. f4 f5 14. Bd3 O-O 15. Kh1 Qe8 16. Qc2 Kh7 17. Rg1 Be7 18. Nf1 Qf7 19. h3 b5 20. Ne3 fxg4 21. hxg4 Bxd3 22. Qxd3+ Kg8 23. b4 Bd8 24. Rf1 a6 25. Ra2 Bh4 26. Rf3 Qe8 27. Rh2 Bd8 28. Nf1 Rf7 29. Rfh3 Nf8 30. f5 Raa7 31. Ng3 Nh7 32. fxe6 Qxe6 33. Nf5 Bf6 
click for larger view34. Bxh6 g6 35. Nd6 Bd8 36. Nxf7 Rxf7 37. Bd2 Rg7 38. Rh6 Bc7 39. Qh3 Qe7 40. g5 Kh8 41. Bf4 Kg8 42. Qc8+ Bd8 43. Qxc6 Bc7 44. Rxg6 Nf8 45. Rgh6 Nh7 46. g6 Bd8 47. Qxd5+ Kh8 48. e6 Bc7 49. Be5 Bxe5 50. Qa8+ Bb8 51. Qxb8+ Rg8 52. Rxh7+ Qxh7 53. Rxh7# 1-0 
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Dec-18-12
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| Dec-19-12 | | morfishine: <OhioChessFan> Looking at <33...Rf8> (The rook must vacate <f7> so it can capture on <f7> and not be captured on <f7>; this also gives the Black King an escape route if necessary), ...followed by <35...Qd7> (The Queen must stay on the c8-h3 diagonal plus remain on the 7th rank). Variation #1 is a worst case scenario for White:
33.Nf5 Rf8 34.Bxh6 gxh6 35.Rxh6 Qd7 36.Rxh7 Qxh7 37.Rxh7 Rxh7+ 38.Kg2 
click for larger viewThe only point of Variation #1 is White has difficulty making progress with mediocre moves; White needs to sharpen up the attack The end result, is I'm thinking 34.Bxh6 followed by 35.Rxh6 may not be strongest for White; So far, I'm thinking very strong for White is:
33.Nf5 Rf8 34.Rh5 Qd7 35.Qh3
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| Dec-19-12 | | DcGentle: <morfishine>: Well, after <33. Nf5 Rf8 34. Bxh6 gxh6 35. Rxh6 Qd7 36. e6>
Black has no good square for his queen, for example <36... Qe8 37. Qh3> would be a mate in 16 or so: 37. Qh3 Bf6 38. Rxh7 Qxe6 39. Nh6+ Kxh7 40. Nf7+ Bh4 41. Qxh4+ Kg7 42. Qh7+ Kf6 43. Rh6+ Ke7 44. Ng5+ Qf7 45. Nxf7 Rxf7 46. Qg6 Kf8 47. Rh8+ Ke7 48. Qg5+ Ke6 49. Qe5+ Kd7 50. Qe8+ Kd6 51. Rh6+ Kc7 52. Qxf7+ Kc8 53. Rh8# |
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