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Jan-16-12
 | | WannaBe: Useless Information Department, from espn.com page 2, DJ Gallo With GB's loss, it is now 5 straight years, the defending Super Bowl team have yet to win a play-off game. |
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Jan-16-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Gosh. I guess that means the remaining teams will try to lose so they have a chance to win the Super Bowl next year. |
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Jan-16-12
| | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> I should have added 'the next year', it should have read: With GB's loss, it is now 5 straight years, the defending Super Bowl team have yet to win a play-off game, the next year. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | TheFocus: <Phony> I have a name for you. In U.S. Open 1956, #18 is Charles "Kit" Crittenden.
I interviewed him and Dr. Al Jenkins for my Fischer book, regarding the Log Cabin team match held in North Carolina in 1956. Fischer beat Dr. Jenkins (the 1955 state champion). These two men remembered that match like t happened yesterday. Kit was North Carolina State Champion five times. He first won it in 1948, when he was only 14, the youngest state champion ever. I don't think anyone has beat that record in any state. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | Shams: http://www.theonion.com/articles/nh... |
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Jan-16-12
| | Phony Benoni: <TheFocus> Thanks; that does clarify something. I have <C C Crittenden> from NC in 1952 and 1956, as well as <Kit Crittenden> from NC in 1950 and 1953. I couldn't be sure if they were the same person or a father/son combination ("Kit" certainly sounds like a younger person), but now it seems certain they are indeed one. Right now, <CG> has "C C Crittenden", but I usually send in correction requests if I can verify the first name. For now, I'll change all four to "C C Crittenden" and see what happens. |
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| Jan-16-12 | | TheFocus: It is the same person. He published a autobiography at http://www.ncchess.org/gambit/index... |
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| Jan-16-12 | | TheFocus: Kit had traveled to New York for tournaments and had met the 12-year-old Bobby and knew how good Bobby was at blitz, even then. In Donaldson's <Unknown Bobby Fischer>, there is something about Crittenden and Jenkins and this match (and the Log Cabin team tour). Jenkins lost their game-score but could still describe the game. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | King Death: Do Yankee fans really put up with this on the radio? It's hard to believe that she gets paid to do color.
If it were up to me I'd pay her to stay away! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/... |
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| Jan-19-12 | | playground player: <King Death> It ain't been right for this Yankee fan since Bill White and Phil Rizzuto left the broadcast booth. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | Jim Bartle: Ken Singleton and Paul O'Neill were announcers on Yankee games I saw last season, and I thought they were very good. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | King Death: < playground player: <King Death> It ain't been right for this Yankee fan since Bill White and Phil Rizzuto left the broadcast booth.> They were pretty good players in their day but I never heard them on the air. Rizzuto was good in a cameo on this song though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPM... |
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| Jan-19-12 | | King Death: <Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts> Since we just brought Phil Rizzuto into this, how do you feel about him making the Hall Of Fame? It seems like he was what I'd call a marginal player. There was that MVP year and he was a good player for awhile but there are plenty of others like him that probably won't ever get there. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... |
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Jan-19-12
| | Phony Benoni: <King Death> I find it even more remarkable that Pee Wee Reese got in a full decade before Rizzuto: http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... Many of their stats are similar, but Reese hung around for a few extra years and built up his totals a bit. Both got in via the Veterans Committee, so they may been "The Thinking Man's Choice" of those whose appreciation of baseball stretches beyond mere statistics. Or Reese may have been better at manipulating the Old Boy Network. At any rate, once Reese got in Rizzuto had to be make it eventually. But as to your point: I don't see either player earning it on stats alone. Spark plug factor, I guess. And perhaps of more importance was Reese's role in paving the way for the acceptance of Jackie Robinson. That probably earned some brownie points as the years went by. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | Jim Bartle: There's a book called "O Holy Cow! The Selected Verse of Phil Rizzuto." http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Cow-Sele... |
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| Jan-20-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> Today neither of those players would have had a chance (the same as when the voting took place) except through the Veterans Committee I think, for the reason that's hurt Alan Trammell: no one thing stands out about him, unlike Ozzie Smith. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | playground player: <King Death> Rizzuto was not only the MVP in 1950: he beat out Joe DiMaggio and Yogi Berra. The same year, he also won the Hickock Belt--something not achieved by many baseball players. (The last baseball player to win it was Steve Carlton in 1973.) It's totally unfair to describe him as "a marginal player." At the same time, it's hard to establish yourself as a star when you have teammates like DiMaggio, Berra, Dickey, Henrich, Ruffing, Johnny Mize, Whitey Ford... very easy to get lost in the shuffle. |
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Jan-20-12
| | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Relatives of yours have made it big on TV!! http://news.yahoo.com/tv-covering-h... |
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Jan-20-12
| | Phony Benoni: <playground player> I'm sure what <King Death> meant was a marginal Hall of Fame player. But I should probably let him answer for himself. One effect of the Jamesian Revolution has been to increase the use of statistics as a measure of a player's value. Back in the 40s and 50s, players contended for MVP with what seem like dreadful qualifications today because other factors weighed more heavily. The classic case is probably Marty Marion for the 1944 St. Louis Cardinals: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Offensively, he was probably the 6th or 7th most productive player on his own team. But his defensive and leadership skills on a pennant-winning team earned him an MVP. Which is not to say Rizzuto didn't earn his MVP in 1950; he had an excellent offensive year to go with his usual outstanding defense. But his stats aren't that great over his lifetime, and if winning a MVP meant so much Kirk Gibson would be in by now. But today's award voters seem to be like many chess players who analyze with Fribkadini, letting the computer crunch numbers instead of using their own brain. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni>'s right. The context was clear enough or so I thought. Rizzuto and Reese were both fine players at their best but making Cooperstown? And don't get me started on the virtues of common sense and analytical skills over turning to the nearest engine as the answer to everything... |
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Jan-20-12
| | WannaBe: According to Sarah Philips of espn.com, the 49ers have covered the spread in the past 9 home games, and the 49ers are favoured, by 2 pts. O/U is 42. The weather have been drizzling for the past 20 hours, not sure exactly when this storm is suppose to end. The field can be a bit muddy, but probably won't be that horrible of condition. Think I like the over on this game. All you need is 3 touch downs from each team in regulation time. Bal-New England have the home team as a 7 pts favoured, and O/U 50. (50!!! I'd take the under.) |
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Jan-20-12
| | Phony Benoni: Giants and Patriors, both under. I'm not going to trust the 49ers even if they win the Super Bowl. |
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Jan-20-12
| | WannaBe: Madden simulation, NYG-SF: http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/vid... Bal-NE: http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/vid... |
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| Jan-20-12 | | Jim Bartle: My first glove was a Spalding Phil Rizzuto, though he'd retired a couple of years earlier. Made me pay more attention to him. He was an excellent player. But if he'd been on Cincinnati or the White Sox and had the same career, and especially if he hadn't become a beloved announcer, I really doubt anybody would ever have thought of him as a Hall of Famer. On the other hand, he was the dependable shortstop on a championship team for many years, and that has to count for something. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | Shams: Sounds like Pele is president of his own fan club:
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/st... |
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