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Jan-22-12
 | | Fusilli: Hi <PB>. As per the info you posted, I submitted a correction slip on that misattributed Timman-Guillermo Garcia game. cg.com corrected the error and now it is correctly attributed to Gildardo Garcia: Timman vs G Garcia, 1978. Nice to see the system at work! |
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| Jan-22-12 | | hangingenprise: <wannabe> quote the raven nevermore?? joe flacco.......... |
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| Jan-22-12 | | hangingenprise: <phony> jack morris is a h.o.f. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | hangingenprise: when you have to have a pitcher to win a big game i'll take jack morris.
true, he may not have had the glamour numbers during the season, but if you needed a win morris was there.
that is his qualification!
he WON the big game! |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: Regarding Atl.'s 3 pitchers, with a staff like that, you'd think of all those trips to play-offs and WS, they would have more than 1 World Series win. Bobby Cox is definitely HoF, if he is not already in... Does 5 years rule also apply to managers? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: Atlanta did have a lot of bad luck in the World Series in the 90s (91, 96), plus losing in the NL playoffs more than they should have (Philadelphia 1993, Florida 1997, San Diego 1998). |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: I have a minor rooting interest in NY and NE to win over San Fran. and Balt. Only because of my friends, otherwise, I just want to see good football being played. Still remember that (botched) snap from 9 years ago when New York came to San Francisco. =) Back then, the best individually rated refs get to work the games, and it turned out by throwing the best people together does not mean you have the best crew. (Where have we seen this before?!) Next year, the policy was changed, the best rated crew, would then work the play-off games. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | benjinathan: <plus his best years were wasted in Montreal.> As a lifelong Expos fan who lived and died with that team, I can't agree. But from a HOF perspective I know what you mean. I think if there had not been labour strife during his peak years there probably would be no debate. I think he as about a 40% chance. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: The Expos of the early 80s were an outstanding team, led by Dawson, Raines and Carter. That was before Dawson got hurt, and was fast and versatile, just a great player. Later he became a one-dimensional power hitter, and it's too bad he's remembered that way. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | King Death: <WannaBe: Regarding Atl.'s 3 pitchers, with a staff like that, you'd think of all those trips to play-offs and WS, they would have more than 1 World Series win..> < Jim Bartle: Atlanta did have a lot of bad luck in the World Series in the 90s (91, 96), plus losing in the NL playoffs more than they should have (Philadelphia 1993, Florida 1997, San Diego 1998).> There were too many games where their hitters didn't do the job in the playoffs. Bad luck in the Series? How about 1996 where they were up 2-0 before the Yankees woke up? http://www.baseball-reference.com/p...
Basically I agree that with that starting pitching they might have won more Series than they did, but we saw a lot of failures back then. The Mets with Strawberry, Gooden Carter and others fluked out one Series with a team that could have done a lot more. Then there are the Oakland teams from 1988 to 1990 that had the stuff to win all of those World Series but only managed to beat the Cubs. |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: Errr... no, they lost to Dodgers, beat SF Giants in the earthquake, and then got swept by the Reds. |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: One hour before kickoff!! One hour warning! |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: There are lots of really strong teams, possible "dynasties," which make the Series several times, or are always in the playoffs, but don't win many championships. Atlanta in the 90s is of course a good example, and the A's from 88 to 90, and the Yankees of the 2000s could be another. Atlanta really did let the 1996 Series slip away. They were up two games to one and ahead 6-0 in game four, then lost that one 8-6 and the last two by one run each. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: He pulled the helmet all the way off grabbing the face mask? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | King Death: <WannaBe> Yes, the Giants beat the poor Cubbies before getting served up. <Jim Bartle> The Yankees of the 2000s never got much press probably because they won a bundle from 1996-2000, but they were a flea's whisker from winning in 2001, lost to the Angels in 2002, and couldn't beat the Marlins in 2003 for a start. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: That's right. Then in 2004 they had Boston down 3-0 with a lead in the ninth of game four, and lost. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | King Death: <Jim Bartle> The 2004 ALCS took the attention away from the rest of the times they didn't win during 2001 to 2008. It was some payback for this:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: Thurman Munson batting second? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Jim Bartle: Oh man, if it's Baltimore vs. SF I'm going to be sick of the Harbaugh-vs.-Harbaugh stories by about Tuesday. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | benjinathan: I wonder where baseball would be if the Yankees had won all those times? I am struggling with my baseball fandom as it is- and with the Jays management already warning us not to epect anything this year (for the tenth straight year) |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: Okay, the San Francisco Chronics have the O/U of Bal-NE at 50. Current score 20-16, with one more quarter to go, but OT is possible. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | benjinathan: I am "watching" the game on twitter as I work. Seems like Baltimore is able to run the ball witth impunity on N.E. but that the Ravens are not likely to stop them either. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | King Death: A 32 yard FG to tie it wide? No way!!! |
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Jan-22-12
 | | WannaBe: Oh, my goodness, missed it wide left! It's Under, <Phony Benony>'s pick. Final score, 23-20. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | King Death: New England's first win against a team with a winning record this year. |
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