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Feb-11-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <King Death> As it turns out, both Guillen and Griffin had a higher BABIP lifetime than their batting averages. Remember, home runs lower the BABIP, strikeouts increase it. Another example: Joe DiMaggio's lifetime batting average was .325, his lifetime BABIP only .304. Mickey Mantle's average was .298, his BABIP .328. The reason was Mantle's extra strikeouts; his additional home runs didn't compensate. |
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| Feb-11-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> Obviously I was confused and the old time players (who were mostly contact hitters) must get hurt by BABIP especially in cases like Joe Sewell (who never struck out) and DiMaggio who didn't strike out much for a power hitter. |
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Feb-11-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <King Death> The whole idea of BABIP seems to be having a statistic with a constant baseline for comparison, but it turns out to have counter-intuitive and confusing implications. |
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| Feb-11-12 | | Jim Bartle: PB: I don't know if I expressed it poorly, but I meant to say those who strike out a lot would have a high BABIP. The higher percentage of your outs are strikeouts, the greater percentage of your balls in play are going to be hits. But I think we know some players tend to hit the ball hard on a line, and some tend to hit grounders or pop up a lot. They're not all the same. |
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| Feb-11-12 | | Jim Bartle: I guess another way to look at BABIP would be to calculate players' batting average if ONLY home runs and strikeouts are counted. A high BABNIP would mean a lower BABIP, probably lower than a player's batting average, right? So DiMaggio's BABNIP would be almost .500, and Ted Williams around .420. Tony Gwynn would be .230 and Carew .082. Much more interesting, in checking that I learned that the complete list of players whose names start with "GW" is Gwosdz, Gwyn, Gwynn, Gwynn and Gwynn. |
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| Feb-11-12 | | King Death: <Jim Bartle> Out of those 5 lucky players whose names started with "Gw"
only Marcus Gwyn didn't play for the Padres sometime in his ML career. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... |
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| Feb-11-12 | | Jim Bartle: Wow, that Gwyn didn't do too well. Pitched 5 innings in his career, gave up 7 runs, five walks and three homers. |
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Feb-11-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Gwyn's numbers may not look good, but he had a pitcher's BABIP of .300, below the league average of .303. They probably got rid of him because he was due for a bad stretch. |
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| Feb-11-12 | | Shams: Nixon was a true football fan:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co... |
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Feb-12-12
 | | keypusher: As I understand it, BABIP is a tool better employed for evaluating pitchers, not hitters. It is among pitchers that BABIP tends not to vary a lot; among hitters (as several of you have pointed out) it varies much more. According to the people who look at this stuff, if a pitcher has a very good year with a low babip, he's probably not going to be as effective next year. Quoting wikipedia:
<BABIP is commonly used as a red flag in sabermetric analysis, as a consistently high or low BABIP is hard to maintain - much more so for pitchers than hitters. Therefore, BABIP can be used to spot fluky seasons by pitchers, as with other statistical measures, those pitchers whose BABIPs are extremely high can often be expected to improve in the following season, and those pitchers whose BABIPs are extremely low can often be expected to regress in the following season.> More about BABIP than you would ever want to know:
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/b... BABIP seems to be a number that helps you evaluate other numbers, like batting average or ERA. It's not necessarily a stand alone, especially for completely different kinds of hitters. If you're trying to compare Rod Carew and Ted Williams, BABIP is not going to tell you a lot. |
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Feb-12-12
 | | keypusher: A primer on the state of the art in sabermetrics in 2010 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page... |
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| Feb-12-12 | | Jim Bartle: The idea that BABIP helps to evaluate pitchers makes sense. That would be because they face a great many hitters, the sample size is large and so all the different hitters get lumped together. So if a high number of the balls in play fall for hits one year, among all batters faced, it would be reasonable to think that was at least partly luck, and if a particularly large number of hit balls were turned into outs, it seems likely more would fall in for hits the next year. |
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| Feb-12-12 | | Jim Bartle: Oh man, is there a room somewhere where Bill Simmons has locked in every editor ever sent to look at what he's written, sort of like the Monty Python milkmen? I don't think he's ever written one sentence when two or three could serve just as well. (A written version of Rachel Maddow.) Having written that, his story on the baseball stat world is just great! At least the opening section before he gets to analyzing each individual new stat (like OPS and WAR), which is all I've read so far. He gets right at the good and the bad of this stat revolution. I've liked Bill James since a friend showed me the 1984 abstract, I think largely because he combined analysis of statistics with actually watching and enjoying the games. Plus he was a fun writer. But he sure did encourage a lot of pedantic, insufferable followers. They're everywhere. Now I'm going to print out the whole thing, and the next time I can't sleep during a long night in the mountains, I'll read it by headlamp, or maybe pull it out on a long bus ride. |
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Feb-12-12
 | | keypusher: <Shams: Nixon was a true football fan: > Shams, thanks, what a fascinating article! Lot of surprising things in there, but the strangest thing to me is that the NFL used to black out sold-out playoff games. Maybe Pete Rozelle was less of a genius than I thought. <Jim> Now that he's got Grantland, I guess Simmons is his own non-editor. I guess he would say the old word limits were an artifact of limited space in newspapers and magazines. |
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Feb-13-12
 | | WannaBe: How about this for upside-down world, UNLV and San Diego State are in the top 25, so is WCC powerhouses St. Mary and Gonzaga. Pac-12, not a single team, nil, nada, zilch! |
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| Feb-13-12 | | Jim Bartle: I grew up about two miles from St. Mary's, a tiny college with a small gym, seats only on one side. We used to play there three or four nights a week, pickup games. To think they have a team in the top 25 now. (Though when we were in high school the Warriors starting forward Tom Meschery was a St. Mary's alum. An excellent player, though not quite as good as the other forward.) |
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Feb-13-12
 | | Phony Benoni: A list of players who homered in their last major league at bat: http://www.retrosheet.org/Research/... Ted Williams is surely the most famous, of course. Mickey Cochrane appears to be the only other Hall-of-Famer on the list; his career-ending beaning came on his next trip to the plate. The only grand slam is the notorious Kendry Morales walk-off incident, when he broke his leg jumping into the celebratory pile at home plate. One of the more interesting ones is Gregg Olson. Yes, the relief pitcher. He appeared in another 160 games after his home run, but never got another chance to hit. |
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| Feb-13-12 | | Jim Bartle: Maybe not Hall of Famers, but some very good players on that list: Joe Rudi, Albert Belle, Willie Aikens, Todd Zeile, Ray Lankford, Jim Edmonds. |
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Feb-13-12
 | | WannaBe: Isn't Willie Aikens on American Idol? Or am I thinking of that QB that played for Oklahoma/UCLA and the Cowboys?? Won a few SuperBalls, so I heard. |
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Feb-14-12
 | | WannaBe: Another athelete gone broke.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dis... |
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| Feb-14-12 | | playground player: <WannaBe> Is that Willie Mays Aikens, who played for the Angels 25 or 30 years ago? The same Willie Aikens who came out of rehab and told reporters, "I still like drugs"? Give the man an A for candor. |
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| Feb-14-12 | | Jim Bartle: Bill James always wrote more than usual about KC players, and year after year he seemed to write what a great hitter Aiken was, then go into detail about his horrendous fielding. |
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| Feb-14-12 | | Jim Bartle: How can a guy like Iverson blow $150 million? Plenty of other cases as well, such as Jack Clark (I think) plus of course lots of boxers. |
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Feb-14-12
 | | WannaBe: <JB> Iverson kept on investing $20 in <technical draw>'s ponzi scheme. |
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| Feb-14-12 | | technical draw: <<JB> Iverson kept on investing $20 in <technical draw>'s ponzi scheme.> Har-dee-har-har-har, <WannaBe>,.....Be advised my investment portfolio has increased in value 670% during my time at chessgames. Ponzi schmonzi, I own Wall st.. |
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