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| May-11-13 | | Jim Bartle: I'm pretty sure we went through this before, but how late can a batter swing on a wild pitch with two strikes and still run to first. |
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| May-12-13 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Thank you, Jim. I've been fascinated by that site ever since I was a kid reading <Kon-Tiki>. I've only seen pictures, of course. Some of it looks very oddly modern--lots of straight, clean lines. Plus you keep running into all this stuff about Tiwanaku being 12,000 years old, etc. |
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| May-12-13 | | Jim Bartle: I don't think it's that old. Chavin (in my area) is close to that age, as is Caral on the coast. I knew Heyerdahl a little when he was working at Tucume on the north coast of Peru. Visited with Johan Reinhard. He was in amazing shape for his age, and really energetic. |
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May-13-13
 | | OhioChessFan: <JB> that is the umpire's discretion as to whether it was a legitimate attempt to strike the ball. I know Pete Rose claimed to have purposely swung at pitches with 2 strikes that he knew wouldn't be caught. |
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| May-13-13 | | Jim Bartle: Ok, that's that. If a batter swings after the ball is clearly past him, he won't call the strike. But it also seems you could have more arguments about check swings, except it would be the batter who wants a swing called. |
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May-13-13
 | | OhioChessFan: The complicating factor there is any runners are beholdened to an after the fact decision of swing or not. With 2 outs, they need to run. But if there's a ruling of no swing, they may be thrown out when they didn't need to run. I am always amused by the football equivalent, when there's a questionable catch/fumble. The offense always hopes the review will say incompletion and the defense hopes they rule it a catch. |
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| May-13-13 | | Jim Bartle: Yes, that's funny: "No, I didn't catch it, I drpped it!" In tennis sometimes the returner hits a winner off the return of a first serve, and the server challenges that his serve was out. It can be a problem in college tennis where the players call their own lines. I saw McEnroe return a serve against, I think, Eliot Teltscher, and Teltscher missed the volley because he thought his serve was out. He complained but really had no case. |
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May-14-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Ouch.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/sto... |
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| May-14-13 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> I don't know much about Chavin--could it really, possibly, represent a civilization going back 12,000 years? |
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| May-14-13 | | playground player: P.S. to <Jim Bartle> Did the Chavin people know how to write? If not, how could they have achieved so much? But I haven't found anything about any inscriptions or codices they may have left behind. |
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| May-14-13 | | Jim Bartle: I was mistaken. Chavin was built about 3,000 years ago; I confused 1,000 b.c. with 10,000.
Caral is definitely 10,000 years old, on the coast, but much more primitive. An article on Chavin and Tiahuanaku, presenting the theory of mountain worship in Andean cultures: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&... |
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May-14-13
 | | Phony Benoni: OK, here are four more-or-less famous baseball players: Danny Darwin
Mel Hall
Ken Oberkfell
Rick Reuschel
What distinction do they, and only they, share? |
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| May-14-13 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony don't forget they drop that puck in The United Center tomorrow night! http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/prev... |
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May-14-13
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Well, according to Wiki, they all played for the Giants, but I'm sure that's too easy. |
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May-14-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <Travis> No way. You cannot be alive in Detroit right now and forget about hockey. <WannaBe> Perhaps I need to make this even more difficult. Here are two box scores from the career of Danny Darwin that might give it away: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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| May-14-13 | | Jim Bartle: They played with both Bobby and Barry. |
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May-14-13
 | | WannaBe: They played with father/son Bonds?? |
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May-14-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> Yup. I was just fooling around with http://www.baseball-reference.com/o..., and was surprised to find there were so few. What's even more surprising, at least to my mind, is that Bobo Newsom is still no more than five steps away from anybody who has played major league baseball since 1871. And that means that nobody is more than ten steps away from anyone else. |
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| May-15-13 | | Jim Bartle: Bobby Bonds was an instant hero in SF when he hit a grand slam in his first game in June 1968. Mays was fading and Bonds looked like the next great Giant. And he was at times. He had a brilliant 1973 through August and looked sure to become the first 40-40 man and finally win the Mvp. Then he had a terrible September, ended up with 39 homers and came in second again in MVP voting. Then with sky-high expectations he had a lousy 1974, and after the season was traded straight up for Bobby Murcer. A huge disappointment for Giants fans. |
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| May-15-13 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> I had never heard of the Caral culture until you mentioned it. From the pictures I've seen (not many), I wouldn't call it "primitive." They were living in cities and building pyramids at about the same time Egypt was building pyramids. Did any of these really old Andean cultures have writing systems? I don't see how you can manage a civilization without one. PS--Bobby Bonds in 1974 had a much better year for the Yankees than Bobby Murcer had for the Giants. I never understood why Bonds got traded around so much. But I do know he was never traded for Wes Stock, Don Money, or Dave Cash. |
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| May-15-13 | | Jim Bartle: Caral was really only discovered in the past twenty years. The first time I went very little was excavated, and it was mainly mounds in the desert. Now much more has been uncovered, though it!s still not too exciting. As far as I know, the Chavin culture did not have a written language. But it did have wonderfully expressive artwork, intricate designs on stone, which obviously had the significance of writing. Here are the Lanzon, which is inside the main building, and the Estela de Raimondi, which is in the museum: https://www.google.com.pe/search?hl... https://www.google.com.pe/search?hl... |
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| May-16-13 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Civilization itself is an enigma. The conventional story has always been many thousands of years of primitive hunter-gatherers and then wham, bam, from mud bricks to microchips in just a few thousand years. There's something odd about that story, don't you think? If civilization is "wired in" to the human race, why should it have taken so long to develop? And if it's not wired in, then why should it have appeared at all? <Phony Benoni> As host, I hope you don't mind these digressions on your forum. |
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May-16-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Perhaps the beginnings of civilization were best explained by Bobby Fischer: "When I was eleven, I just got good." The potential was there; it just required the right spark to reach the tipping point. (Mixed metaphors; the mark of a decadent civilization!) |
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May-16-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <Tal7777777> No, I don't play chess anymore. I always talked a better game than I played anyway. It's a reference to a famous baseball quote by Ernie Banks. And a bit of a pun, dating back to the days when baseball conversation was not criticized in the Kibitzer's Cafe. Talk about chess is only allowed in two cases:
1) I bring it up.
2) Somebody else brings it up. |
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May-17-13
 | | perfidious: <Phony Benoni>: Only four, what with as often as Bonds <pere> bounced around during his career? It is hardly as though the '78 Rangers or '81 Cubs were models of stability or success. |
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