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Aug-07-16
 | | saffuna: I remember Derek Jeter, saw that one on TV. A-Rod, too, I think. |
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Aug-07-16
 | | perfidious: Believe Boggs--of all people--was one. |
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Aug-07-16
 | | Phony Benoni: Glad to see he got it with a real hit. It's been an interminable crawl, so it's good to get there with a little class. Hard to believe he'll return next year, so in five years (if all goes a planned) Ortiz, A-Rod and Ichiro will be on the ballot. |
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Aug-07-16
 | | WannaBe: Wow, thought that question would be a bit tough, Boggs, ARoid, and Jeter. |
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Aug-07-16
| | saffuna: That's because they were all recent, not back in the mists of time. |
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Aug-07-16
| | WannaBe: You want 'mist of time'!??! Okay. =))
Who is the first officially recognized player to get 3000 hits. I phrased it in a way, such that Negro League or any record that's possibly disputable. Any opinion or theory, why none of the earlier players got their 3000th hit with a home run? |
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Aug-07-16
| | saffuna: Cap Anson, 1897.
Why were no 3000ths a home run before Boggs?
I only count 8 to 10 of them were real power hitters, with 15% of their hits being homers. So for none of 3000s to be a home run is quite unlikely, but but not shocking. For example, Stan Musial was both a power hitter and a high average hitter. 13% of his hits were home runs. 20% of Aaron's hits were homers. I see the chance of no homers on 3000 for those 8-10 players to be about the same as rolling a die 8 times without rolling a 2. Which is about 3%. |
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Aug-07-16
| | WannaBe: Cap is correct!! |
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Aug-07-16
 | | Penguincw: < saffuna: I remember Derek Jeter, saw that one on TV. A-Rod, too, I think. > BTW: Did you hear the "story" of how each of these guys got their ball back? Definitely reflects how baseball views them. :p If anyone wants to find out, just type in "Christian Lopez Yankees" (Jeter) and "Zack Hample" (A-Rod). < WannaBe: ... Who is the first officially recognized player to get 3000 hits. > Without looking it up, my shot in the dark was actually "Ty Cobb" (the first to <4>000 hits). Interestingly enough, the guy who was the first officially recognized player to get 3000 hits, was also the oldest player to do so. < Any opinion or theory, why none of the earlier players got their 3000th hit with a home run? > My theory would've been that many of them playing in the dead ball era, but looks like most of them actually played in the live ball era. |
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Aug-07-16
| | Phony Benoni: Here's a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,000...
I thought Cap Anson had lost his membership due to having his hits in the National Association (1871-1875) disqualified, but he still had enough to squeak in. I figured either Wagner or Lajoie was next, and it turned out to be the former by three months. He started a year later, but caught up. |
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Aug-07-16
| | saffuna: The list of most times on base is a bit different. Williams, Bonds, Rickey and Yastrzemski especially move up: Rose, Bonds, Cobb, Henderson,Yastrzemski, Musial, Aaron and Speaker are the leaders. |
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Aug-07-16
| | Phony Benoni: The droughts are interesting. After Speaker and Collins in 192, the next two are Waner in 1942 and Musial in 1958. No players whose career began in the 1910s or 1930s made it, and only Wanter from the 1920s and Musial from the1940s. <penguincw> I think you underestimate Miguel Cabrera's changes. He's at 2460 now, and will probably be over 2500 by year's end. He regularly gets 180-200, so even if hw loses a bit three or four move years should do it. He's only 33 now, so that is hardly out of the question. If he started averaging 75 hits a year, I think he would retire long before seven years were up. |
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Aug-07-16
| | WannaBe: That is an interesting observation, WWII definitely had an effect and affect on the 30s, but US did not enter WWI until 1917. If you are, say 22, 23, 24 years old in late 30s and just reached the Big League; and by '41 US entered the conflict, that would explain some of the stats. |
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Aug-07-16
| | saffuna: Ichiro reached 2000 hits in his first nine seasons. That must be the quickest ever. |
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Aug-07-16
| | saffuna: <If you are, say 22, 23, 24 years old in late 30s and just reached the Big League; and by '41 US entered the conflict, that would explain some of the stats.> DiMaggio, Williams and Greenberg, for example. |
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Aug-07-16
| | Penguincw: < PB: ... <penguincw> I think you underestimate Miguel Cabrera's changes. He's at 2460 now, and will probably be over 2500 by year's end. He regularly gets 180-200, so even if hw loses a bit three or four move years should do it. He's only 33 now, so that is hardly out of the question. If he started averaging 75 hits a year, I think he would retire long before seven years were up. > My point was that since he would only need ~75 hits/seasons for 7 years. That achievement seems easy to get, thus proving my point (which was, which active players with 2K+ hits I think can reach 3K hits). |
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Aug-08-16
| | Phony Benoni: <Ichiro reached 2000 hits in his first nine seasons. That must be the quickest ever.> It might depend on how you define "quickest", but if you're talking number of game Suzuki is second. #1 (and #3) I think might surprise you a bit. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/68270... |
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| Aug-08-16 | | Party Animal: Ah shut up old man! |
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Aug-08-16
| | saffuna: Al Simmons? Would never have guessed. But he beat Ichiro by only 12 games. Looks to me as if Simmons did it in his tenth season while Ichiro did it in his ninth. |
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Aug-08-16
| | WannaBe: Interesting two games stretch for SFG, MadBum lost a tough one (1-0) yesterday, and today, it will be Cueto and Fernandez in Miami. Not sure if Ichiro is starting, or not, if he is, I'm sure all 3,000 fans will give him a nice standing ovation. |
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Aug-08-16
| | Phony Benoni: Actually, Simmons had 1996 after ten years, so it was early in his 11th. He missed a number of games due to injuries, and of course the seasons were a bit shorter. |
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Aug-08-16
| | perfidious: The one caveat in my mind regarding Cabrera is that, formidable a hitter as he remains, his body type is one which does not age well; he will undoubtedly wind up a full-time DH before long, the question being whether he can retain enough bat speed to reach the hallowed ground of 3000 before the end comes. |
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Aug-08-16
| | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> All very true. We need only look at somebody like Prince Fielder whose body seems to have fallen apart in an instant. Cabrera is more capable of avoiding or delaying such a collapse. Despite appearances, he is a genuine athlete with a strong work ethic and the discipline to make necessary changes in his life and game. There have been some troubling and lingering injuries already, probably dues to switching to third base for a couple of years to accommodate Fielder. It may be a while before he's a fulltime DH, as the Tigers already have the effective Victor Martinez whose body is clearly too fragile to play in the field regularly. But Cabrera will probably wind up in that slot some day. |
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Aug-08-16
| | WannaBe: Listening to this SFG/MIA game, and announcer keep saying Bearclaw (relief pitcher for Marlins) I'm going, great, an American Indian (Or Native American in the Majors!) http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/_/id... |
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Aug-08-16
| | saffuna: Too late to see Jim Thorpe play. |
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