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| Oct-17-09 | | technical draw: Well, Rivera better come up with a second inning as the batters blew a good chance. |
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Oct-17-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> That's true. Plus they're playing at home, so there's no way he could get a save opportunity. |
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| Oct-17-09 | | Travis Bickle: I'm worried about the Bears game tomorrow night. The Bears are getting
4 1/2 in Atlanta. The Falcons have a good team this year but the Bears are coming off a bye, which is a plus. The thing that worries me about my bears is they have yet to start quick out of the gate and have yet to play 4 solid quarters. Also they haven't established the run this season. RB Mat Forte had 2 big runs against Detroit but hasn't been consistent. What do you guys think? |
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| Oct-18-09 | | technical draw: Well, who was the smarty that put Rivera in early, huh?. If the Yankees lose it's all over, good bye world series. |
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Oct-18-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <Travis> Well, the last thing any Lions fan would be worried about is the Bears. But, frankly, I've never been much impressed by Jay Cutler as a quarterback. He seems to be a Bret Favre type, with fewer highs and deeper lows. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | Travis Bickle: Phony I think right now especially with Urlacher out for the season and the offensive line not run blocking well at all Jay Cutler is saving The Bears with his arm and mobility out of the pocket.
P.S. Thanks for your opinion. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | Benzol: Dave thanks for Game Collection: Coburg 1904 You might want to edit that bit about a 'guick' lead near the beginning. :) |
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| Oct-18-09 | | zanshin: <PB> I still do follow Purdue football .. unfortunately ;-) I also root for the NFL teams with Purdue QBs - the Saints (Brees), Broncos (Orton) and Colts (Painter as backup). Well, I was a Colts fan since living in Indiana. The win against OSU is unfathomable to me given the way the team has been playing recently. Hopefully, it will be something for the team and their new coach to build upon. Thanks for your post. |
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Oct-18-09
 | | keypusher: Question for the wise men on this board: doesn't it make sense to put your closer in a tie game in the 9th? I remember Bill James arguing in favor of doing that. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | Jim Bartle: Yes, absolutely use the closer in a tie game.
I think James argued that it was much more valuable (over time) to use the closer in a tie game than when two or more runs ahead. And since you have to limit the number of times you use him, it's a better use in a tie than when leading by more than one run. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Closer, schmoser! If you've got Dick Radatz, Stu Miller, Hoyt Wilhelm, Sparky Lyle, Mike Marshall, Lindy McDaniel, or Elroy Face (just to name a few) in your bullpen, you use him any time you damn well please. I hate this Whitey Herzog/Tony LaRussa style of baseball! "I'm a closer, I pitched 49 innings in a single season..." Bah and double-bah! |
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Oct-18-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> As much as we might dislike it, specialization is here to stay simply because it works. The records of LaRussa and Herzog speak for themselves. Back in the 1950s or 1960s, your only relief pitchers were those not good enough to be starters. Now, you get tagged early as one or the other, and receive the proper training to specialize in your role. Starters and relievers generally have different philosophies of pitching. A starter needs to have several pitches he can command; since hitters are likely to see him more than once, they need to be kept off balance. A reliever can get by with just one or two phenomenal pitches. For instance, Mariano Rivera and his cut fastball. Everyone knows it's coming, but he had such fantastic command of it that he's still effective. Another outcome of early specialization is that more reliable relief pitchers are available. A Radatz or a Face might pitch several innings simply because the manager had no other relievers he could rely on. Back in those days, teams often went with only 10 pitchers, which would be unheard of today. Now I'm all for the purity of baseball. I've never liked the designated hitter. But teams are out there to win, and they've learned that the one inning closer system seems to be the most consistent way to do that. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | Jim Bartle: Lot of mention of great relievers here, but the name of Rich Gossage hasn't appeared. Maybe he wasn't the very best, but he was surely the scariest. In Whitey Herzog's book (highly recommended!), he wrote that with the Cardinals he liked to have competent starters (Forsch, Cox, Andujar--also Tudor, who was outstanding) who could go six and get the game to the bullpen. He didn't try to have just a top closer (Sutter), but several good relievers. The thing I most dislike about the one-inning-with-a-lead closer is that it's partly based on the pitcher's desire to build up a huge number of saves. That's not a valid reason to use a pitcher any particular way. Still a manager has to find a way to use his best relief pitcher often without wearing him out. He can't just roll him out there every time he's the best option, or he'll wear out in August. |
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| Oct-18-09 | | Jim Bartle: New England 59 Tennessee 0?
Raiders 13 Philadelphia 9?
New Orleans 48 Giants 27! |
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Oct-18-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Well, Tennessee looks pretty awful this year. And the Raiders had to win a game sometime, but I don't think the Lions will break out the champagne and cigars until (and if) the Rams win. But New Orleans is beginning to look impressive. 48 points vs. the Giants is nothing to sneeze at. Still some worries about their defense, though. |
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Oct-18-09
 | | Phony Benoni: And the Dodgers faithful seem none too chirpy tonight. |
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| Oct-19-09 | | Jim Bartle: It's just one game. No disaster. |
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Oct-19-09
 | | WannaBe: One game?!?!?! It is already a disaster, unless we can do, what the Pirates did to the Yankees, be outscored 213432243-4 and win the series!!! |
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| Oct-19-09 | | technical draw: <WannaBe> You're obviously confusing the Pirates/Yankees score with you loss/win record in chess. Baseball last 9 innings and you last nine moves, don't confuse the two.......heheheheh..... |
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| Oct-19-09 | | Jim Bartle: Another example: St. Louis lost the first game of the 1982 World's Serious 10-0, yet came back to win in seven. |
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Oct-19-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Or the Dodgers in 1959, who lost the first game to the White Sox 11-0, but came back to win in six. Still, the 1960 Yankees-Pirates series has to be at the top of the list. The Pirates' three losses were by 10-0, 12-0, and 16-3. |
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| Oct-19-09 | | Jim Bartle: Amazing. |
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Oct-19-09
 | | chancho: I'm hoping for a Phillies vs Yankees showdown. The Dodgers and Yankees have played each other a lot of times already. |
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| Oct-19-09 | | technical draw: And they're off! Running for the early lead it's Yankees by a a head. |
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| Oct-19-09 | | technical draw: Mr. October! |
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