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Jul-03-10 | | Jim Bartle: In (I think) that same game the second base umpire called a runner safe on a double play turn, saying the shortstop was off the base. If he was it was a few inches, not a couple of feet as you often see, and the runner is called out. As I think I've said before, runners do seem to be called out often even if they seem to beat the tag slightly. |
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Jul-03-10 | | playground player: >Phony Benoni> Speaking of four homers in a game, Pat Seery did it, too. Pat Seery? Who dat? |
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Jul-03-10 | | David2009: <Phony Benoni: Wahltuch vs H G Cole, 1919
Er, chessgames.com--you did mean "soul", didn't you? Or is there some kind of subtle pun about feet in here?> Well spotted - all sounds very fishy to me. |
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Jul-03-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Pat Seerey, "The People's Choice", and undoubtedly the most obscure player to hit four home runs in a game. Biography: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Pat Seerey's greatest game: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Pat Seerey's second greatest game: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... He might not ever have made the major leagues had the WWII draft board not declared him 4-F, possibly due to his size (5' 9", 220 pounds). A most consistent player who led the AL in strikeouts four times with totals of 97, 99, 101, and 102. |
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Jul-03-10 | | Jim Bartle: Twins' Jim Thome into the top ten in home runs, passing Harmon Killebrew. |
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Jul-03-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Hall of Fame for Thome? Better numbers overall than Killebrew, has actually played fewer seasons, and was probably better in the field. Of course he's lengthened his career by being a DH for the last five years, but Killebrew played 22 years anyway, mostly without it. That would have been interesting for the Twins in the 60s. Do they DH Killebrew who was poor defensively, or Oliva with a decent glove but bad knees? |
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Jul-03-10 | | Jim Bartle: Thome is a clear Hall of Famer, though probably not first ballot. Was Killebrew really such a bad fielder? He was slow, I guess, but did he carry the iron glove? |
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Jul-03-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Hmm. I may have been too hasty. Since Killebrew never settled into a regular position--always shifting between first, third and left field--I assumed it was because he wasn't a good enough fielder. But maybe he was just versatile. Just scouted around a bit, and the consensus seems to be that Killebrew was average or slightly better at first, somewhat below average at third and left field, partially due to a weak arm. Still better than my original impression. |
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Jul-03-10 | | Jim Bartle: Never knew Killebrew played the outfield. Thought he played third early in his career, then moved to first. |
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Jul-03-10
 | | Phony Benoni: He got around. Originally a second-basemen as a bonus baby, he took over at 3rd in 1959 and then to 1B for a couple of years. In 1962 the Twins brought in Vic Power and had Rich Rollins at third, so Killebrew went to left field for three years. In 1964, Oliva joined the Twins, but it was right-fielder Bob Allison who took over at first. Killebrew, plagued by injuries, gradually came back to 1B, but in 1969 he switched back to third to make room for Rich Reess. After a couple of years it was back to first. finishing with a couple of years as a DH. Apparently an accomodating sort of guy. |
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Jul-04-10 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> A friend of mine, recently deceased, grew up in Idaho and watched Harmon Killebrew play in the minor leagues. He didn't think Harmon was the best player there at the time. Gus Triandos, he always said, lit up the skies when he played ball. Killebrew made the HOF and Triandos won a couple of all-star berths. Apparently performance in the minors is not a perfectly reliable indicator of a player's future. |
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Jul-04-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Halfway point of the season ... and the Tigers and Twins are tied for first place. Here we go again? Actually, there is cause for worry in Detroit. Over the last few years, this team has shown a tendency to fade after the All-Star break, and I see no indication they're going to get better. |
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Jul-04-10 | | Jim Bartle: A quick glance at the All-Star rosters. Must be some really good first basemen in the AL for Kevin Youkilis not to make it. (And Ortiz over Youkilis?) And Arthur Rhodes, a first time All-Star at age 40. |
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Jul-04-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Only two AL first basemen made it. Justin Morneau won the fans' vote to start at first, despite Miguel Cabrera having better stats overall. I wouldn't be surprised if Cabrera's alcohol episode at the end of last year had some carry over effect; in fact, he needed a huge last-minute blitz to finish ahead of Mark T. from the Yankees. Ortiz got in as the back-up DH. The other Tiger to make it was closer Jose Valverde, who has so far this year given up two earned runs and 11 hits in 35 innings. Hard to argue with a 0.51 ERA. As with all teams, the Tigers feel they got snubbed. Manuel Ordonez is hitting well over .300, and Justin Verlander is 10-5--but neither has been a stand-out, dominant player. No, if you hear screaming from around here, it'll be for outfielder Brennan Boesch. .345 average, 12 HR, 46 RBIs--and he spent the entire month of April in the minors. But unheralded rookies not named Justin Heyward get no respect. |
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Jul-04-10 | | A.G. Argent: Yeah Jim, and your boy Wainwright is a first timer as well. Showed it today. Also bashed a bases-clearing double. |
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Jul-04-10 | | Jim Bartle: Well, Teixeira is having a lousy year. Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the All-Star Game. Boesch has looked like a real monster in the few games I've seen. Hits the ball really hard. |
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Jul-04-10 | | A.G. Argent: These days, on-line All-Star fan voting, where anybody can so very easily submit 25 ballots or more has got to be impacting the pro-Teixeira/no-Boesch sorts of results. I voted on-line but, honestly, conscience wouldn't allow me to submit more than once. There's just too much ballot stuffing of favoritism as opposed to honest appraisal in sticking to deserving stats. It's verging on being a popularity contest and ergo better TV ratings and ergo more money so ergo MLB.com offers it. |
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Jul-04-10 | | Jim Bartle: It's only really bad if someone is voted a starter who shouldn't be on the team at all. Otherwise he starts, plays a few innings and is replaced by the guy who should have been the starter. In general I think the most popular players get voted in, the ones fans want to see. What's always seemed odd to me is that players are partially judged by how many All-Star teams they were on. But this is based only on half a season--the second half is never taken into account for anything comparable. |
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Jul-05-10
 | | WannaBe: Sheeeeeet, that is nothing, back in the 'good ol days' where the ballots were only available at the ball park, you had no 'idea' what was happening! It makes an election in Chicago/New York/Philly look legal!! "Oh, little boy, you want 50 ballots? Here you go, be sure you put them all in this li'l box before you leave the ballpark? Okay? While, you are at it, here is another 150 ballots you can 'fill' in between innings!!!" |
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Jul-05-10
 | | WannaBe: Trivia Time:
The last time the All-Star game was held in Anaheim, California, who was/were Angels' representitive(s)?? |
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Jul-05-10 | | A.G. Argent: What do you mean by representatives? |
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Jul-05-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Clarence? |
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Jul-05-10 | | A.G. Argent: Oh sorry, of course you mean which Angel players were playing. |
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Jul-05-10
 | | Phony Benoni: I had to look it up, and won't spoil the fun except to say that it wasn't the guy with the mule. |
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Jul-05-10
 | | Open Defence: Mules rule!!!!! |
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