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| Jul-05-10 | | Everyone: <Phony Benoni: Everyone always said I didn't know how to play chess anyway.> One can't go wrong with this. But did I actually say that? I can't remember anything. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: Rod Carew, Reggie Jackson, Nolan Ryan? |
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Jul-05-10
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_M... Wikipedia is wonderful for this sort of question. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: I see. Two future Hall of Famers. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: Quiz: I have seen major league games in eight ballparks in California. Guesses for all eight? Also saw the Giants play at Stanford one year, but that doesn't count. Jack Clark hit by far the longest homer I've ever seen, the ball landing in the middle of an intramural soccer game. That's longest with a wooden bats. Some of the Jints borrowed metal bats before the game, and I can't even describe it. Joe Morgan hit a ball off the handle and starting swearing because he'd missed it. He, Clark and Chili Davis could only laugh as the ball cleared the fence. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | A.G. Argent: Eight? I can only think of five. The obvious ones so it's gotta be a trick question. Where did the SF Seals play? Is that relevant? Speaking of '89, was one of them where they took the Series after the quake? Wasn't that in Palo Alto? Hell, I don't remember. Speaking of Chili Davis, wasn't he the first guy to snap a bat in two over his batting helmet in frustration after a K? Or was it Bo Jackson. Now there's some trivia for you. Doubt the even the Czar can trace that. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: No, eight regular major league parks for major league games. Don't know about snapping the bat in two. Who was the guy who was so strong he broke his bat on a check swing? Jim Rice, maybe. |
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Jul-05-10
| | Phony Benoni: Willie Horton definitely broke a bat with a checked swing, though I wouldn't be surprised if Rice did it as well. I remember Bo Jackson breaking a bat over his knee, but not his head. That sounds a bit Gus Ferottesque. As for the California parks: I seem to remember the Giants playing at Seals Stadium and the Polo Grounds as well as Candlestick and their current park, whatever it is now. And Oakland has had a stadium or two, so that's five or six. I have no idea which southern California stadia you've hit, but the Dodgers alone would make up the difference. Did you make Chavez Ravine or the L.A. Colisseum? |
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Jul-05-10
| | Phony Benoni: By the way, the Tigers are playing a matinee against the Orioles today, and the score is 8-6. After two innings. |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: Pretty good, PB.
Here's the list, in order I think: Seals Stadium (1958, opening day), LA Coliseum (59), Candlestick Park (60, opening day), Oakland Coliseum (68--McLain's 18th, Stanley's catch), Dodger Stadium (78, fancy seats behind the dugout!), Jack Murphy (82), Big A (1983), PacBell (2002, World Series). |
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Jul-05-10
| | Phony Benoni: <JB> You hit some big games, too. I only have four stadiums myself: Tiger Stadium, Comerica Park, Metrodome (1982), and Oakland Colliseum (1995), where I got the worst sunburn of my life. Here's the first game, from 1962. I will never forget that ninth inning. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: Whitey Herzog, young Boog Powell, Brooks Robinson, Charlie Lau. Ex-Giants Jackie Brandt and Hobie Landrith. Plus the ace of my trading card league, Chuck Estrada. Plus Colavito and Cash for the Tigers.
My out-of-California stadiums: Yankee Stadium (1961, 1-0 win with Ford over Detroit), Shea (1974, both Mets and Yankees), Cleveland Municipal (1983). |
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Jul-05-10
| | Phony Benoni: Retrosheet now has box scores for all games beginning in 1920, which means this game is finally up: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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| Jul-05-10 | | Jim Bartle: Took me a while, finally figured it out. |
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| Jul-06-10 | | A.G. Argent: Who did the Browns become? I forget. |
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Jul-06-10
| | Phony Benoni: <A.G. Argent> The Balitmore Orioles. Or rather the new Baltimore Orioles, since there was another team of that name around the turn of the century who became the New York Yankees. |
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| Jul-06-10 | | A.G. Argent: Oh, and Bo Jackson did break a bat over his head. Couldn't find footage, just this mention of it in the LA Times. Also reminds of that intense fire he had in his belly, hating to lose:
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-06... |
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| Jul-06-10 | | Jim Bartle: And unfortunately today's Orioles are imitating their predecessors from the midwest. Here's a story from somewhere. In POW camps in Germany American soldiers were wary of German spies in the camps, so they asked lots of American culture questions of every new prisoner. So in 1945 a new guy arrived and they asked him who was leading the NL and the AL, and he told them. And the other prisoners began mistreating him, hurting him whenever possible, generally making life even more difficult. Then a new prisoner arrived and answered the same questions. And the highest ranking prisoner came over to the first guy and said, "I'm really sorry for the way we've been treating you. But who would have believed the St. Louis Browns were leading the American League? We thought you were a spy." |
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| Jul-06-10 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: I seem to remember a game played in the late 60's or early 70's where possibly Norm Cash, a prankster if there ever was one, in the on-deck circle, signaled to a runner headed for home after a base hit, by laying flat on the ground, meaning "SLIDE!" So the runner slid into home base....but there was no throw to the plate at all. The ball was still being chased down in the outfield. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: Thoughts on Hall of Fame chances/credentials for some players near the end of the line? Chipper Jones, Trevor Hoffman, John Smoltz, Todd Helton. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Jim Bartle> RON SANTO!!! HOO RAH!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf3u... |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Travis Bickle: Billy! Every homer at Wrigley a line drive on Sheffield Ave!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwF9... |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Travis Bickle: Fergie! With some insight on why The great '69 Cubs failed to those DAMN mets! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yplY... |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: Llistening to Jenkins, he sounds so much like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Interesting comment from Jenkins that the bullpen let them down. A serious look may prove him right. But Jenkins was 19-11 and ended up 21-15, so there are at least four more games he left (or finished) while trailing. Bill Hands was 15-8 and finished 20-14. Ken Holtzman was10-1, ended up 17-13. It's possible the bullpen blew some leads, but it really doesn't look like the starters were that great either. What I do see is that only 7 pitchers threw more than 50 innings. That looks like overworking a few and hot using the whole staff at all. Team ERA was 3.30 or so, so it was still pretty good, especially when playing half the games at Wrigley. |
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Jul-08-10
| | Phony Benoni: Hoffman and Helton have the stats, but Trevor never seemed to capture the imagination and Todd will always have Coors Field hanging over him. I think they're worthy, but probably not first ballot. Hoffman will get in long before Helton. With the core of the original Atlanta Braves dynasty hitting the ballot, it will be interesting to see if having so many members of the same team at the same time will hurt them. Maddux is a no-brainer, and Glavine will probably get in on 300 wins though I think Smoltz is as deserving in many ways. There aren't many pitchers with a 20-win and a 50-save season (Eckersley might be the only other one). A 3B with a .306 lifetime average and 400+ home runs usually has a good chance, but I think Jones might suffer most from the Atlanta glut. I would vote for all four, but don't see any of them as first-ballot. |
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