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| Jul-08-10 | | A.G. Argent: Travis, something I always thought about Billy Williams is what a really nice guy he is. Him and Ernie Banks. Gentlemen. And you're right Jim, Fergie sounds a lot like Jabbar. |
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Jul-08-10
 | | Phony Benoni: I didn't feel Jenkins was blaming the bullpen as much as he was Durocher (by implication). His point was that the Cubs' relaible bullpen pitchers were older, got overused earlier in the season, and were exhaused by September. That would put extra pressure on the starters to go deeper, when they were tired as well. (Jenkins, Hands and Holtzman pitched every fourth day regularly the entire season). The Mets used a five-man rotation and had a younger bullpen, so they were fresher come September. In fact, the Mets finished with their two best months, going 20-11 in August and an incredible 23-7 in September. The Cubs kept up in August with a 18-11 record, but fell to 8-17 in September. Even so, there were many years they would have hung on--but that's hard when the competition is playing nearly .800 ball. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: Good point about Jenkins blaming Durocher.
Interesting that he pitched Jenkins/Hands/Holtzman every fourth day, not caring about off-days, and starting Selma only when he had to. But looking at their record, I'm really surprised to see he also used just a couple o relievers with any regularity, though Hank Aguirre pitched well in only 45 innings. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: Interesting play just now in Cincinnati-Philadelphia game, similar to the Mantle going-back-to-first-on-a-grounder play in the World Series. Jason Werth on first, slow line drive toward second baseman. He lets it drop and fires to first to get the hitter. Then Werth looks confused and takes a step of the base, and is tagged out. Now what's the rule here if Werth had simply stayed on the base? Say the first baseman tagged him before touching the bag. Is Werth out because he's being forced to second? Or is he safe on the base no matter what? |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: And then Stubbs of the Reds scores from second on a strikeout. I've never seen that. |
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Jul-08-10
| | Phony Benoni: Once the first baseman touches first base the batter is out. That removes the force situation, and the runner can stay at first. When Werth stepped off the bag, it's the same as any situation where the runner tags up after the batter has been retired. The first baseman should have tagged Werth first. With the force still on, he would have been out even had he been standing on the bag. It's the same as the Mantle situation, only it would have been more difficult for the first baseman (Nelson) to tag Mantle in that case. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: So Votto actually messed up by touching the bag first. Should've tagged Werth. |
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Jul-08-10
| | Phony Benoni: I'm the first to admit I know little about basketball, but here are two things I'm pretty sure of: 1) Five good players beat three great players;
2) There's only one ball in play at any given time. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Phony Benoni> But there are exceptions Dr Benoni, for example Michael Jordan and The Bulls! ; P |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Travis Bickle: <A.G. Argent> Yes A.G. Ernie Banks & Billy Williams were old school ballplayers where the fans mean something to them! |
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Jul-08-10
| | Phony Benoni: Entirely different situation, Travis. The Bulls had only one Michael Jordan. The Heat think they have three. I don't know why so many people--including myself--are feeling so angry about this. We no longer blink an eye when an owner builds a team of superstars, so why should we be upset when the players do it? I think what bothers me is how everyone seems to be assumiing the 2010/11 season is a mere formality. No matter how great the players they still have to be able to work together, and that simply can't be guaranteed ahead of time. We've all known people who were fine companions for an evening, but would quickly lose their charm if you were stuck with them for a longer period. These guys may be the best of friends off the court, but we'll still have to see what happens on the court. |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: The Bulls were unbeatable when they finally got a whole team together--and Pippen started and playing well--but Jordan was in his seventh year before they won the title. I see Bosh easily taking the third banana position, rebounding, defending, scoring on the break. But who will lead between Wade and LeBron? But I have to say, this looks like a repeat of that last superstar team which steamrolled its way to the title, the 2004 Lakers, with Shaq, Bryant, Payton and Malone. They just crushed the helpless, superstar-free Pistons in the finals. |
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Jul-08-10
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Do not fret, remember this team? Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, on the Lakers... And look what happened to them. 'Course, being good buddies off the court will solve some of the on-court issue, Kobe much/kinda like Kareem, is somewhat introvert, or just like to be serious when it comes to 'work'. This did not go over well with everyone on the team, but hey, NBA season is just a few short months away! Let the drama and talking-heads start their predictions and yak-yak-yak-yak! In the mean time you have the Detroit Tiger/Minnesota Twins race to keep you occupied! |
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| Jul-08-10 | | Jim Bartle: In other basketball news, young star Kevin Durant--a much better player than Bosh--quietly signed for five years to stay with Oklahoma City. Okahoma City!! Now that is cool. |
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Jul-09-10
 | | tpstar: LeBron James has an Olympic gold medal and went to the NBA Finals once, plus a boatload of endorsements. If he had stayed in Cleveland his whole career, he would have the enduring gratitude of an entire state. One day later, he seems to have lost most of any goodwill value already. This Miami plan is doomed. Losses will become blamefests, and the end of each game will be an ego contest over who gets to take the game-winning shot. Or one of the three will get injured. It would be hilarious if Cleveland brought in Chauncey Billups and kept the rest of their team intact - and won a title. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | Jim Bartle: Agree entirely. He had everything to gain by staying in Cleveland. And creating an hourlong TV show to announce he was leaving was just rubbing it in to Cleveland. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | zanshin: <WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Do not fret, remember this team? Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, on the Lakers...> <WannaBe> I think it's different. Malone and Payton were past their primes and Kobe and Shaq did not like each other. There was no chemistry on that team. I don't blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland, but the dog and pony show was cruel to his fans. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | Travis Bickle: What a prima donna bas%$#@ LeBron James is!! He waits 3 extra days just to announce he's leaving Cleveland and going to Miami. I seen that obvious turn of events coming when ESPN reported they had a huge meeting with Pat Riley and big wigs in the Miami front office. Most all NBA starting players have great basketball skills. This is not like a park pick-up game where your friends choose sides. I'd be willing to bet Miami doesn't win the NBA Title next year or the year after! |
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| Jul-09-10 | | A.G. Argent: <...dog and pony show was cruel.> Well, you wanna know what Dan Gilbert, the owner of the Cavs REALLY thinks? Read the following memo to Cleveland. There are a few sour grapes between the lines but in general, just a wee bit steamed:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba... |
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| Jul-09-10 | | dakgootje: It would've been fun had that been written by a 3rd-rank columnist for some Cavs-fansite. This is just sad. Perhaps Gan Dilbert needs to realize he is not a child anymore and won't get everything he wants if he only screams loud enough. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | zanshin: <A.G. Argent> I was blown away by Gilbert's letter, especially the personal guarantee the Cavaliers would win the championship before Miami. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: Tom Izzo, coach of the Michigan State Spartans, was offered the head coach spot in Cleveland but took a week before turning it down. Obviously, he tried to get a definite answer from LBJ during that week. BTW, is Jay Sborz still on the Tiger's staff? That ERA of 67.50 is going to look ugly for a long time. (5 earned runs in two thirds of an inning) |
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| Jul-09-10 | | Jim Bartle: What's the overall record of high-profile college coaches going on to the NBA? Not very good, I don't think. Larry Brown is one success. Who else? Established college coaches should stay put, though of course the money is a temptation. |
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Jul-09-10
| | WannaBe: <zashin> Yes, a lot of media outlets are saying LeBron blew it way out of proportion as far as his announcement goes. |
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| Jul-09-10 | | zanshin: <WannaBe: <zashin> Yes, a lot of media outlets are saying LeBron blew it way out of proportion as far as his announcement goes.> I thought it was kind of lame when he said towards the end that the good news about The Decision was that it raised money for the Boys and Girls Club. I could have sworn I saw some of them crying when the camera panned the audience. |
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