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Mar-11-11 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> Very nice job on Game Collection: Debrecen 1925 ! |
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Mar-11-11 | | TheFocus: Wow!! <Phony> Until <suenteus>'s post there, I really did know of the huge body of work that you have done. The two of you, along with <craw> are absolutely the Kings of <CG>!! My hat's off to you. Thank you for all the time and effort that you three have put in here. Man, I so want to a librarian when I grow up!!! |
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Mar-11-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <TheFocus> So do I. Thanks. |
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Mar-12-11
 | | Richard Taylor: <Phony Benoni> You know the Taimanov? I played as Black (in recent werkend tourney) up to here: Luke Li - Richard Taylor
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8.
Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4
 click for larger viewNow I lost the game. I have played the Benoni quite a lot, and in fact with it I won against Antonio Krstev who is 2135 ELO but he played 8. Bf4 (a6)...but in this other game ( with the Taimanov line) I got into a dispute that I had not played the best line as now I played 9. ... 0-0 10. Nf3 Bg4 13. Qc2
and here I think as did my opponent is that I should have taken on f3 i.e. 13 ... Bxe3 etc as his knight then went to d32 and on on. I was bit rusty on this line but I cant see that the check 9. ... Qh4+ 10. g3 Qe7 (or d8)
is necessarily better.
The data base here seems to be divided on it.
But I feel it was bit silly to blame the loss of my game on my not playing 9....Qh4+ (sure it would be good if I had remembered that line...) but I think 9. ... 0-0 is quite reasonable. You and or other Benoni people might know.
Also there is almost a "superstition" that the Taimanov is just about killing the Benoni but I don't see that at all. Cheers! It doesn't have to be "heavy" discussion" just some thoughts... |
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Mar-12-11
 | | Richard Taylor:  click for larger viewHere is the position after the check...I can see merits in it but it is not hugely
better than e.g. the position below?
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Mar-12-11
 | | Richard Taylor: < jessicafischerqueen: <Richard> Yes! I couldn't agree with you more. I think that cataloging and collating is entirely legitimate, not to mention wonderful, just for itself. There is great joy both in doing this work, and in enjoying the work of others. There's an aesthetic to such activity that does indeed relegate "relevance" to the category of "spin-off."> Yes, there is a kind of enjoyment of in ordering my own books (Not chess book only as I have biggish collection of say literature and poetry (and lit crit etc), some history, art, and even some science). Children like to do that also. I think that sorting and ordering is something many of us love to do...Maybe it helps us feel more in control and also we need such a process for survival. Even animals do it (much more than we commonly think). And we are animals, albeit rather strange ones! Homo chessens! An interesting book on libraries and books by the way is: "The Library at Night" by Alberto Manguel.
Interesting you do chess history videos. |
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Mar-12-11
 | | Richard Taylor: <Phony Benoni> I see (now) you have a game already with just that line! I played it over after my game and didn't realise that was you! Patty John vs D Moody, 1988
Nice win! |
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Mar-12-11
 | | Richard Taylor: This is a good one also! I see it was one The Game of the Day! S Feldman vs D Moody, 1986 |
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Mar-13-11
 | | Richard Taylor: Here is a game where I beat an FM in or from a Benoni ... he probably had a win in the middle to end but I held on and got nice in finish! [Event "North Shore Open 2008"]
[Site "North Shore,Auckland,N.Z."]
[Date "2008.08.30"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Stephen Lukey"]
[Black "Richard Taylor"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 3. d5 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. Nc3 d6 6. e4 O-O 7. h3 e6 8. Bd3
exd5 9. cxd5 a6 10. a4 Nbd7 11. O-O Re8 12. Re1 Qc7 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Bh2 Ne5
15. Be2 Qe7 16. Nxe5 Bxe5 17. Bxh5 Bxh2+ 18. Kxh2 Qe5+ 19. Kg1 gxh5 20. Qd2 Kh8 21. Ra3 Rg8 22. Nd1 Bd7 23. a5 Rg7 24. f4 Qf6 25. e5 Qg6 26. Re2 Rag8
27. Rf3 Bf5 28. Nc3 c4 29. Ref2 h4 30. Kh1 h5 31. Qd4 Kh7 32. Qxc4 Qh6 33.
Ne4 Rc8 34. Nf6+ Kh8 35. Qb4 Rc1+ 36. Kh2 Qg6 37. Qa3 Bxh3 38. Qxd6 Qg3+
0-1 |
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Mar-13-11
 | | Richard Taylor: Final position
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White resigned.
Lukey-Taylor 2008 |
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Mar-14-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <Richard Taylor> I've never seen the sense of the ...Qh4+ idea either. Sure, you're weakening White's kingside and he is likely to castle there, but I'm not sure the queen belongs on e7 anyway. It feels to me that she's just a target if White does get e5 and d6 in. I looked up my record against the Taimanov: +6 -10 =2. That doesn't sound promising, but on the whole my opponents were rated over 100 points higher than I was, making it a reasonable result. Looking back, I seem to favor the 9.a4 0-0 variation, followed by the ...Na6-c7 maneuver. It doesn't make sense to my mind to play ...a6 after White plays a4. I guess 9...Qh4+ is considered 'theoretically" best, but that doesn't mean we should always play it if we don't comprehend or trust it. Certainly you did not lose the game by failing to play it. The Taimanov is a powerful weapon. It's sharp, so when Black has to waste a move with ...Nf6-d7-f6, White gains time to blast open the center with consequences often fatal for Black. That being said, it is not a simple, forced win. White has advantages in space and time, but Black still has much of the counterplay associated with the Benoni. At the highest levels, White is likely to have the technique needed to exploit his advantages while minimizing Black's counterplay. Lower-rated players are more likely to have accidents. I think that's why the Benoni is rare in GM play, but still playable down where we play. And that's about the extent of my theoretical knowledge of the variation. After looking briefly at the game, I don't think I can lecture you on how to play the Benoni! |
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Mar-14-11 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: Cabrera to get a "sober buddy" to follow him around - amazing - a grown man with his own personal babysitter. |
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Mar-14-11 | | technical draw: <Deus> Plus the fact that that idea won't work. Alcoholics are real tricky people and it won't take Cabrera long to find out how to sneak a drink or two. |
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Mar-15-11 | | APatzer: <phony benoni> Your profile / bio is witty. I enjoyed it very much. |
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Mar-15-11
 | | Richard Taylor: <Phony Benoni: <Richard Taylor> I've never seen the sense of the ...Qh4+ idea either. Sure, you're weakening White's kingside and he is likely to castle there, but I'm not sure the queen belongs on e7 anyway. It feels to me that she's just a target if White does get e5 and d6 in.....> Thanks for these points. Other players at the tourney were implying my 0-0 instead of the Q check was why I lost! And they are too much in awe of the Taimanov. Now Taimanov himself was great player...but I don't see that system as too dangerous (although i take your point it is sharp but (more ) so is the advance or "pawn storm" line) especially at my ~ level of play when players are no more than 2300 or so. A lot are maybe say 1700, 1800 or whatever. So they are more or less mostly ordinary club or tourney players... I will look into that line. I also was puzzled for some time about the intermezzo check in the QI but that is explained well by Nunn in his book (Gambit) 'Understanding Chess Move by Move" The point is to make a move on the basis of understanding not because GMs play it (although I do that in some lines - I usually have some idea of why the or a move is played). |
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Mar-15-11 | | cormier: cataloging by alphabetical order save a lot of time ... and time is preacious .... tks DM |
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Mar-16-11 | | cormier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXZ... |
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Mar-17-11 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> Is this still "Let's Play Two"? Spring training has started--where's all the baseball kibitzing? I have a terrible feeling that baseball Biebered you out last year during the World Series. When MLB alienates a fan like you, they've got deep, deep trouble. |
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Mar-17-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> The sports discussions seem to have migrated over to the Louis F Stumpers page. I'm not sure why, except that <WannaBe> posted some sports trivia questions and the whole thing sort of morphed. I had several chess posts in a row here, so apparently people assumed that baseball was no longer the focus. I wouldn't say I've given up on the game, but I am sort of bummed that (1) the Tigers probably aren't improved this year; (2) Miguel Cabrera can't seem to stay sober; (3) Albert Pujols seems unable to surivive with an insulting $200 milllion contract. |
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Mar-17-11 | | hms123: <PB> You want to be bummed? How about this: <Marty Marion, Cardinals’s Slick-Fielding Shortstop, Dies at 93> Why isn't he in the Hall of Fame? It is an outrage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/s... |
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Mar-17-11 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> $200 million, eh? Explain again what these guys need a union for? |
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Mar-17-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Well, as a long time union member, I guess I should say something. Not that I'm a radical about this. In 25 years of membership, I've gone to one union meeting--and that was one too many. But the union provides a valuable service by negotiating my salary and benefits far more effectively than I could alone. I have no problem in paying for this service through union dues. No doubt baseball union demands get out of hand sometimes. But history tells us that without effective opposition, the owners will impose restrictions limiting a player's salary and economic opportunties. There are faults on both sides, which is why we need both sides. In any event, unions exist for the average ball player, not the super stars. There have always been a few players who could make demands and get away with it; for instance, Ty Cobb held out almost every spring until his demands were met. The average player can't do that, and needs a union to ensure fairness. This whole Pujols mess is not about the union. At those prices, it's not even about money or greed. It's pride, pure and simple; measuring worth strictly by the dollar. |
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Mar-17-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Besides, if the players had a really good union, Marty Marion would be in the Hall of Fame. And, in a preventive measure, I'll say Ron Santo too. |
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Mar-17-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <Richard Taylor: Other players at the tourney were implying my 0-0 instead of the Q check was why I lost!> There will always be players who feel any deviation from the current fad leads to irretrievable loss. But I'm with Lasker on this. Even the best position does not play itself; it still has to be won. Chess is not voodoo. |
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Mar-17-11
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> I think, in part, (besides me, that is, who asks sports related question on the Stumpers page) is because some of the previous math/physics/science stumpers are just impossible, unless you specialize/know about it. Sports, everyone can relate to, I try to not ask too 'obscure' person, also giving the clues with a bit of tongue-in-cheek(ness). And heck, with all the March Madness going on, I just may ask another 'tough' one! |
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