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Sep-20-11 | | Jim Bartle: Reading about Carlton and Niekro reminds me of a bit in one of Bill James' books (not written by him, I don't think). When he with one Minnesota, supposedly Carlton was upset about a teammate's pitching, and remembering previous teams as well, shouted, "All Niekros stink!" With predictable reaction in the clubhouse from Puckett and Newman. |
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Sep-20-11
 | | perfidious: <Jim> That was from a fictional essay in the 1988 Baseball Abstract, and funny as hell-I bust a gut even thinking about it after all these years. |
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Sep-20-11 | | Jim Bartle: Above, that should be "When he was with Minnesota."
Yes, there was a page of phony stories like that, but I don't remember any of the others. Or maybe it was a review of baseball books that supposedly had been published during the off-season. |
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Sep-20-11 | | hangingenprise: wannabe: really? the lions will be worth watching on thanksgiving day this year. as i stated they got a great pick at last years draft.
hell yes i remember lolich!! against gibson!! the donut man was magnificent and almost did it again against the a's i believe. |
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Sep-20-11 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: Well maybe Verlander can get 30 wins this year (altho playoff wins don't count for the season record), once the Tigs get into the playoffs, just as long as they don't sweep the Bosox or thedamnyankees or the Phillies. Prolonging each series will give Verlander more starts. And Leyland needs to "squeeze" the rotation, as was done in 1968 when the Tigs used (pretty much) a two man rotation - "McLain and Lolich and a day of rain". There was no rain, as I remember, but both Lolich and McLain each got 3 starts in the 7 game series against St Louis, and I think Earl Wilson started one game. |
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Sep-20-11
 | | WannaBe: Anyone want to buy a pair of Ernie Hartwell glasses? =) |
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Sep-20-11 | | Jim Bartle: Two pitchers going three times each in the Series. I'll bet that hasn't happened since. Then there hasn't even been a seven-game series since 2002 (and that one should have ended in six!). Say, PB, last night the Sox had an inside-the-park homer and a grand slam in the same inning. When was the last time that happened? I'll bet it's been many years since that even happened in the same game, much less the same inning. |
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Sep-20-11
 | | WannaBe: Both TB and BoSox lost today... No changes in the standings, just one less game left to be played. |
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Sep-20-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> I'm not even going to try looking that one up! Though does it cound if the grand slam is an inside-the-parker? <WannaBe> Boston is really staggering down the stretch, while the Yankees seem to be catching a second win. Tigers imploding again versus Kansas City, a team that for some reason always gives them fits. |
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Sep-20-11
 | | WannaBe: The baseball team is paying back for what your football team did on Sunday. =)) |
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Sep-21-11
 | | perfidious: <Phony Benoni> That's now 5-15 for Boston this month. They're scoring plenty of runs, but their Achilles Heel has been starting pitching, through a combination of injuries to the best starters and ineffectiveness on the back end. Tonight, the bullpen came undone yet again, as Bard blew another. Apologies if this is a repost, but here goes nuthin':
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b... |
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Sep-21-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> Don't think that's been posted here, but I've been following the BR blogs recently and had seen it. As good as Verlander as been this year, I saw Guidry pitch a few games in 1978 and think he may have been a bit better. There were days it was absolutely futile to even think about hitting him. But it's close. When Verlander follows a heavy dose of 95-100 heat with his curveball, it's unfair. |
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Sep-21-11
 | | perfidious: Since you mention Guidry in 1978, here's a game I well remember. One of his finest performances: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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Sep-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: "Though does it count if the grand slam is an inside-the-parker?" Great question! Hadn't thought of that.
How bad is the Giants' offense this year? Lincecum has a 2.60 ERA and is 13-13. Lost 2-1 to Kershaw tonight. |
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Sep-21-11
 | | perfidious: <Jim> They've had a nice run to come back from the dead after Braves appeared to have the wild card locked up, but I believe the end has come. |
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Sep-21-11
 | | WannaBe: Jason Stark's arguments for Verlander for MVP. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page... I believe Jason is an eligible MLB voter. |
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Sep-21-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> The debate rages on. My view is that the biggest criteria for an MVP winner is that they have a decisive impact on a team's success. Numbers help, but in the final analysis it's what happens as a result of the numbers. Verlander has met that criteria, so I think he at least deserves consideration. By the way, Mr. Stark answered <JB>'s earlier question: <"4) When the Red Sox launched an inside-the-park homer (Jacoby Ellsbury) and a grand slam (Conor Jackson) in the same inning Monday, we must have gotten a hundred tweets from people wondering the last time that had happened. After extensive research, here's the answer from our friends at the Elias Sports Bureau: The New York Giants pulled that off on Aug. 16, 1950, in the seventh inning, via a Don Mueller slam and a Hank Thompson inside-the-parker.> http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... In center field at the Polo Grounds, naturally. |
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Sep-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: There are always arguments about whether a starting pitcher who plays only one game in five can really be the MVP. Seems to me having one day in five when you pretty well know the other team will score two runs or fewer is pretty valuable, and so is the player who makes it happen. Koufax, Guidry, Martinez, Gibson, Clemens, McLain, Maddux, Seaver, Randy Johnson, etc. in their great years, the other team knew it didn't have much of a chance. |
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Sep-21-11
 | | WannaBe: < Jim Bartle: There are always arguments about whether a starting pitcher who plays only one game in five can really be the MVP. > Not a problem, have them play a position, I think some guy named Babe Ruth did it, once or twice. |
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Sep-21-11 | | I play the Fred: And of course, a starter who stays healthy all year will have more plate appearances against than a position player will have at the plate. There is the additional issue of defensive chances for pitchers and position players, but all in all it's a wash. |
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Sep-21-11 | | crawfb5: <PB> I just read your post from last month on the Sam Cohen player page. The 1938 US championship games were definitely SS Cohen. I'd not realized Sam and SS might be two different players. I've done a little preliminary digging but so far have not turned up what either S in SS were. Even the WorldCat references on his book with Horowitz on one of the Alekhine-Bogoljubov matches only lists him as SS Cohen. If I find anything, I'll let you know. |
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Sep-22-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Yankees clinched the division today with a doubleheader win over Tampa Bay. Fortunately for the Rays the Red Sox lost again, so they're only 2.5 games behind in the wild card race. And don't forget the Angels; they're probably not going to catch the Rangers, but they are also just 2.5 behind Boston. |
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Sep-22-11
 | | perfidious: <crawfb5> Chess on this page is sacrilege. <PB> Red Sox seem to need to make it mildly interesting, with Beckett coming unstuck in the latest debacle. Tomorrow, mercifully, is a day off.
Returning to chess for a moment, have you managed to dig up any data re the '64 US Open? |
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Sep-22-11 | | crawfb5: <perfidious: <crawfb5> Chess on this page is sacrilege.> That's why I'm here. Don't balk.
<PB> I sent you email with a couple of PDF pages, one with Cohen in a group photo. |
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Sep-22-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> Hey, don't knock the chess players. If it wasn't for them, we'd have to discuss baseball with uncouth persons that have no intellectual attainments beyond being able to distinguish WAR, OPS+, and BEER. I'm tackling the US Opens chronologically, and at the moment I'm submitting games from Baltimore 1948; found a good stash somewhere. The next priority will be trying to borrow some of Jack Spence's tournament books from the 1950s and 1960s, so I won't be concentrating on 1964 for a while. But I'm keeping my eyes open. Might try and contact Hal Terrie; he seems to have knowledge of chess history in New England, and we played twice in US Opes so we're kind of acquainted. |
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