Now , <fredthebear> , I have seen your conversations with <petemcd85> .

Your complaints are general and vague.

<petemcd85> has repeatedly asked you if you have any specific complaint but I have never seen you make any specific complaint.

For example , in response to one of your complaints , <petemcd85> asked you like <<fred> , you implying that you blew whistle and admins did not act . Please tell me which complaint/post you talking about which you think warranted action but admins did not act >

May be those are not attacks then , just tough responses to your attacks on <rdb> .

I can understand that it may be difficult to handle truth/reality , so yes , delete them all you want

Are you alias of <fredthebear> - like him you too have difficulty grasping the point

1) I have not blown whistle in a long , long time.

2) my point is , what you calling attack , are they violation of guidelines ?

3) it was you who had started by calling my <self important twit> which is not only attack but violation of guidelines

If you respond further , I would give you last word. And move on.

Enjoy detesting me and vomiting your self righteous hate . I am not the only one you enjoy detesting. List of the people you detest is very long , starting with <ohiochessfan> . I have no need to hate any one. I do not detest even the worst sinner.

So , Lord Krishna killed kans. Lord rama killed ravana

There was no hate in those killings , however. (Like you kill your pet dog/horse if they go mad . There is no hate in those killings. Love is still there)

Impersonal love of jesus - that is a state of being. Delta brain wave activity level.

In that state , you just can not hate, you are always full of love in that state . And yet you do whatever needs be done , even killing.

Now , of course , you can not expect people on internet to be at that level.

However , what admins/owner and others wish is that people not be quick to be offended and remain calm.

Just enjoy. Live and let live . Rogoffland or any other forum is not war zone. Disagree/criticize by all means - that is one of the highest democratoc values and has to be encouraged/cherished.

However , try to be love all the time as much as possible. (Try to be love - not try to be loving. Love is state of being . It is about being not doing . Many people may have experienced this state of being from time to time , though it becomes permanent only when we reach level of krishna/jesus/buddha)

So, my apologies guys , if I was curt to you people at times.

<i am just a soul whose intentions are good

O Lord, please do not let me be misunderstood >

Is that prudish ? That is not prudish.

Cg deserves respect for that. Thank you cg.

Respect women/humans.

Learn from the impersonal love of jesus.

Once again , I am reminded of one of my favorite quotes of one of my favorite mystics

<Q: What is the place of sex in love? M: Love is a state of being. Sex is energy. Love is wise, sex is blind. Once the true nature of love and sex is understood there will be no conflict or confusion. Q: There is so much sex without love.
M: Without love all is evil. Life itself without love is evil. Q: What can make me love?
M: You are love itself -- when you are not afraid.>

- nisargadatta Maharaj in 'I am that ' book. Nisargadatta died in 1981

Susan Freeman: <FSR><<Susan Freeman> Maybe they don't call him <Rod> for nothing?> My thoughts exactly. :)>

Look <fsr> , you need to learn from <johnlspouge> (greatest teacher I have ever had)

As he posted < johnlspouge: < <saffuna> wrote: Could someone please explain to <mort> the difference between lying and changing your mind?> > <Changing your mind> is necessary to the process called "learning". <Lying> hinders learning.

Kibitzers who do not provide citations and context, e.g., often lie. Because they do not promote learning, I now ignore them.>

We all are changing/progressing/learning every moment to reach the level of jesus/krishna/Buddha.

By the way , in this forum , no one practices real teachings of jesus as well as agnostic/atheist <johnlspouge> , at second rung are people like me and <willber g>

So , we all are changing/progressing/learning every moment including <Susan freeman>

Feel free to join us any moment <fsr>

Cg did very well by deleting your crude , vulgar post. Do not go on talking like <if they participated in risque talk in the past , why they deleting my crude , vulgar post now >

Much appreciated.

Regards.

You mean am I being sarcastic ? No.

I mean it.

Let me try again .

I stand for perfect purity of heart , perfect intelligence/wisdom , perfect compassion and such....

And as far as I am concerned that is what jesus/krishna/Buddha stood for (now some would contend - 'jesus did not exist in reality , just a myth '. Does not matter . Jesus whether real or myth , stands for perfect purity of heart , perfect intelligence/wisdom , perfect compassion , perfect selflessness , perfect courage and so on . And it is possibke to reach that level or close to that at least , mystics in every century have shown that through their examples. In science/neurology , level of jesus/krishna/Buddha is called delta brain wave activity level )

Impersonal love of jesus - definition of love : happiness/peace for all .

<johnlspouge> is agnostic/atheist , however , he is the one who helped me understand teachings of jesus - non duality interpretation/philosophy of Absolute

When I joined cg.com many , many years ago , I was an idiot . I joined cg.com for <puzzle of the day> feature (back in the days , i was captain of my college team , which does not mean much however . I guess I and my team mates had strength of around 1700 elo rating players)

Anyways , if I had not had previlige of meeting <johnlspouge> on this site , I would remain an idiot all my life , perhaps, and my life would be a wasted life . <johnlspouge> was a maths prodigy in his school days . He secured top rank in canadian maths olympiad in his school days . Later he became a doctor (MD ) and then he did PhD in maths. And became medical researcher. His job requires very, very high knowledge of biology and maths. There are many wikipedia pages about <johnlspouge> and his work.

I have never met anyone more intelligent , kind , calm/composed/compassionate/patient than <johnlspouge> and for me he is closer to the level of jesus than anyone I have ever met even though he is agnostic/atheist - my greatest teacher in my life so far .

So now the following quotes should be easy to understand , perhaps

<Q: What is the place of sex in love? M: Love is a state of being. Sex is energy. Love is wise, sex is blind. Once the true nature of love and sex is understood there will be no conflict or confusion. Q: There is so much sex without love.
M: Without love all is evil. Life itself without love is evil. Q: What can make me love?
M: You are love itself -- when you are not afraid.>

However , some people may still find the above quotes tough to understand unless they have studied non dual mysticism already for quite some time.

So , then let us try to understand pop culture version of that quote of the mystic nisargadatta.

Here is a quote from movie <Murphy's romance>

<Bobby Jack Moriarty : I think you're banging Emma? Murphy : Banging? That's an ugly expression for that particular pleasure. Bobby Jack Moriarty : How about @#$%* ?
Murphy : I don't like that one a whole alot better! And, if I was, it would be none of your concern

Murphy : You are a miserable little son of a bitch, you know that? I don't know why she took you in the house... I'd bed you down with the dogs! And I'll tell you something else, mister, you may be a lot younger and stronger, but you're about to get your ass kicked from here to the state line... and I'm wearin' the boots that can do it!>

So , now it should be clear why I support deletion of the following post of <fsr> even though <fsr> does not understand why his post was deleted

<FSR: Apparently CG is getting prudish. I posted a comment about one of my law school suite-mates, who had been a star football player at Harvard. (<HMM> might consider that an oxymoron.) I remarked that he got a lot of [slang term for feline, with asterisks for middle three letters]. My comment has vanished.>

Me : is that prudish ? That is not prudish.

Cg deserves respect for that. Thank you cg

Respect women/humans.

Thank you <Susan freeman> .

I might go into hibernation now if I get the project that I am trying to get . If I get that project , I might get very busy for next few months.

In that case , I would leave for a few months while taking with me some good memories of good conversation with you.

I like team <susan>/<steve>/<pete> for what they have done so far .

2)

I agree with <ftb> . Very shameful act by me .

I apologize to <fsr> and <cg> for harassing <fsr>

I recommend 6 month ban on me .

Is that sufficient <ftb> or duration of ban should be longer ?

3) what is good for gander is good for goose.

If <ftb> continues harassing <sfod> by mentioning his name repeatedly and such , <ftb> should apologize for harassing <sfod> and also <ftb> should recommend cg that he be banned for at least 6 months .

Makes sense , guys ?

I recommend 6 month ban on me.>

<moronovich> <I second that>

Me : for some reason , I am reminded of this song while I ride my <high horse>

What had I told you <ftb> ? It is not your place to decide what should or should not be allowed in cg. That is place of admins/owner. Let admins/owner decide . Discuss with them by all means but final decision rests with admins/owner as long as same rules apply to everyone , that is , as long as admins are consistent.

As far as I am concerned , if I find that such innocuous messages bother me , occur harassment to me , I would get tested for paranoid schizophrenia and such

<fredthebear> is waiting for me to get in some <unfriendly> exchange with someone before he reappears .

Keep waiting , dude . Not going to happen.

On your behalf , let me urge some people to help you.

Hey <fsr> , <diademas> , <moronovich> et al , can you guys oblige <fredthebear> and try to get a rise out of me and then some ....

<diademas> tried , perhaps , but that was too lame . Try harder <diademas> . What did you say ? If I ride a horse that is even higher , it would help you ? That is the only horse I am going to ride, dude . Tough luck

I have a feeling that <Susan freeman> and I are growing on each other and developing respect and liking for each other .

What do you say , <sfod> ? Think about it - after all you are a very rational , intelligent person and you are well wisher of cg.com and <Susan freeman> is also rational , logical person. So , if we talk in a friendly , mutual respectful manner , conversations are likely to be productive .

No one likes toxicity - <susan> and admins do not like toxicity. If we talk in friendly, mutual respectful manner , they would listen , I believe , and things would reach logical conclusion quickly .

I have not looked into your issue with <fredthebear> yet , however , if you talk in a calm and respectful tone with admins/owner , then I would look into it to see if <ftb> is being incorrigibly toxic to you and if so , then we would present our case to admins. <diademas> tried to reach the bottom of this case earlier , however , he got intimidated by the height of my horse and backed out