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| Feb-26-07 | | Swapmeet: At this point I prefer 12...Qc7, since after 12...0-0, 13.g6 looks a little dangerous to me. 12...Qc7 13.h5 b5 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Qd4 Rg8 was reached in Pengxiang-Ping 1997 
click for larger view and now 16.a4 seems to cause black a lot of problems, so I think we need to look at alternatives to either 13...b5 or 15...Rg8. |
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Feb-26-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Swapmeet> Isn't the line and FEN you just posted an argument against <Qc7>? In the FEN, black king is fated to stay in the center forever- with our rooks unconnected.... I'm still way in favor of <0-0>, and, if what <Marco> says is true, that <0-0> is in fact safe (even if it looks risky), a homeless King and unconnected rooks is just not a good position for black... |
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| Feb-26-07 | | Swapmeet: Not arguing against Qc7, just some of the moves that were played later in that game. |
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Feb-26-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Swapmeet> Ah sooo. Ty, ty.... |
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| Feb-27-07 | | brankat: <jessicafischerqueen> A good looking new "avatar". Much more seductive than the previous one :-) You girls do this kind of thing on purpose? :-) |
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| Feb-27-07 | | brankat: <EA> Welcome to the CG Team, my "old" friend! Speaking of "old", I just saw in <TheAlc> Profile, You apparently have not aged at all in 2 years, still 25 :-) |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Marco65: <Swapmeet> Your position is actually a disaster for the ...Qc7 cause. If we can't play 13...b5 it doesn't make sense to play 12...Qc7. But Black's play can be improved by 15...Nde5 16.Be2 O-O 17.f4 Nc4 |
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Feb-27-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Our move is due tomorrow--
So Count my offical vote as:
<12. ...o-o>
Cheers, and good luck to all of us! |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Marco65: Attention <team>, our move is due today before 3 PM EST. It was probably late night for <jessicafischerqueen> so I think she used the term "tomorrow" to mean "after the sun rises here" |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: <<Zebra>What for ? :)> For finding the extra functionality of Opening Explorer. I don´t follow cricket much. I haven´t had time to look at too many games, but unless you hear otherwise my vote goes for 12 ...0-0. To give us a platform for our counter attack, which then becomes priority. I still think ...Nb6 is also worth a look, but since that hasn´t attracted any support I will save it for later. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Marco65: <Zebra> I'm also interested in alternatives to the two moves we are considering here, but 12...Nb6 13.Nxc6 bxc6 14.Qd4 loses the g7 pawn |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: <Marco> Thanks, you're right. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Swapmeet: <Marco> You have a point there. However, after 12...Qc7 13.h5 b5 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Qd4 Ne5 16.Be2 0-0, 17.h6 looks very dangerous to me. 17...g6 loses to f4, 17...gxh6 is clearly not something we want to play, and 17...f6 still leaves the kingside looking a little squishy. The g7 pawns seems to be a real thorn in our side here. Initially I was weary about 12...0-0 beacuse of 13.g6. But now that I am looking at it more carefully I think we may be alright after 13...hxg6 14.h5 Nxd4, followed by Bf6. If I don't see any improvements on Qc7 I'm going to change my vote to 12...0-0. As of this post we have less than 5 hours to make a move. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: <we may be alright after 13...hxg6 14.h5 Nxd4, followed by Bf6> Just at first glance, might 14 ...g5 be better? |
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Feb-27-07
 | | TheAlchemist: So, right now, the situation is:
<12...O-O>: Jessica, Zebra, Swapmeet, TheAlchemist <12...Qc7>: Marco, Emperor <undecided?> Hitman, Chessmoron, Dak, TTLump There is still time for any change of hearts, personally I like O-O a little better, though it seems to be asking for trouble. Both lines are very sharp, as was shown in some variations, so I guess we're in for a real fight in any of them. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Swapmeet: <Zebra> Perhaps, although I don't think it's necessary. White continues with 15.h6. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: In view of the uncertainty and the importance of the move, maybe we might also consider calling a timeout? |
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| Feb-27-07 | | hitman84: I vote Qc7 with the idea Na5(idea Nc4) followed by b5, Bb7. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | hitman84: If white plays 13.Nc6 bc6 14.Qd4 e5 looks good for us. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | chessmoron: I'm not changing minds, 12...0-0 before and 12...0-0 now. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Swapmeet: <hitman84> How do we respond to 13.h5 Na5 14.g6? If 14...hxg6 then 15.hxg6 Rxh1 16.gxf7+ Kxg7 17.Qf3+ followed by Qxh1. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: As we discussed a while ago, I'm not sure that moves like this should be decided by a bare majority vote, especially when (if 0-0 edges it) it will be going against some of our strongest players, who have also devoted more analysis to it than I have. It might be worth taking more time and trying to get a consensus, preferably not just for the next move but for the next few moves. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | Zebra: However my vote is still for 0-0. Have an appointment now, will call in again later. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <TheAlchemist> I've decided to change my vote to 12...O-O! I read your analyses and decided that my fear of a crushing kingside pawn storm is unreasonable. |
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| Feb-27-07 | | hitman84: <swapmeet>I completely overlooked the line. I change my vote to 12...0-0 |
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