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| Mar-09-07 | | chessmoron: <But I would also have no problems 15...b4.> I'm not sure why we should lose a pawn here. 14...b4 loses too much tempo for us. 14...Rb8 is the way to go. |
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| Mar-09-07 | | TTLump: 12 Games from the Chess world masters collection:
Only 2 black wins in the lot!
Javier - Pinho 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Andreikin (2472) - Lugovoi (2552) 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Lindsoe - Kataijenen 1/2-1/2
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Dubinin - Pruse 1/2-1/2
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Duckstein - Ciric 1/2-1/2
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Hellers(2465) - Hansen(2540) 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Boudre(2320) - Wojtkiiewicz 0-1
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Brustman(2300) - Sznapik(2455) 1/2-1/2
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Forster - Ammann 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Lopez - Blanco 0-1
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Lopez - Martinez 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... Pulkkinen - Strm 1-0
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... |
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| Mar-09-07 | | TTLump: I would like us to consider the ideas from this game for our strategy moving forward. In the only other game that Black won from the Master's game collection, White made a blunder near the end of the game. Boudre(2320) - Wojtkiiewicz 0-1
http://www.letsplaychess.com//chess... The basic idea seems to revolve around pressure on the Queenside with Rb8, b4 and Qa5, then it kind of gets side tracked to Black's King Side and 20...Qc5 is a really strange looking move and I don't think White made the best response here and also I think somewhere around move 18 or 19, Black should have played something different such as e5 or Rd8 or Bb7. |
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| Mar-10-07 | | Zebra: After ...Rb8, a3 seems to end any fun with the b-pawn for the near future, and then I am not sure that the b-file is the optimal deployment for the rook. We want a rook on the c-file as soon as possible. And that means deciding the future of the light-squared bishop (probably b7). I am also not convinced that we get enough for the pawn after the immediate ...b4, though it is interesting. I am beginning to favour ...Qa5, or possibly ...Bb7. |
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Mar-10-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Zebra> What if we tried 15...Rb8 16.a3 Qa5? b4 is hard to stop. One way is 17.Qb4. I don't know if we should trade there or retreat there, the pawn on b4 doesn't seem weak. Otherwise, after 17.h5 b4 White has to either take or retreat the knight, in both cases I think we are doing well. Or 18.h6 e5 19.Qd5 Nc5 and it's still ok, I think. Could white also try 16.b4? I found an amusing line 16...a5 17.Nxb5 axb4 18.Nxd6 Qa5, which at first seems suicidal, but after 19.Nxc8 Rfxc8 20.Qxd7 Qa3+ we actually mate, if my calculations are correct, 21.Kb1 (or 21.Kd2) 21...Rxc2 is the key move: 
click for larger viewMaybe White is better off playing 17.Bxb5, but I think the lure of taking on d6 might be too great. Maybe that's something I'd risk, but i don't think we should, 16...a5 is probably not objectively sound, so we may rather try 16...Bb7 or something similar. I think 15...Rb8 16.h5 b4 17.Ne2 Qa5 18.h6 e5 is also ok. 19.Qd5 Rb5 followed by 20...g6 (after 21.Qc4 of 21.Qb3) should hold. Here, 21.f5 Nb6 could be considered, because after 22.Bxb6 we have the intermezzo Bxg5+. |
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| Mar-10-07 | | TTLump: <TheAlchemist: <Zebra> What if we tried 15...Rb8 16.a3 Qa5? b4 is hard to stop.> Here is the line I have been playing around with after 15...Rb8 16.a3 Qa5 17.Bd2! and this does stop b4 I think because of 17...b4 18.Na2! and we lose a pawn, however I still think we would be in fairly good shape after 17.Bd2 Qb6 (forcing the Queen exchange I think, which is good for us in this position) 18.Qxb6 Nxb6. After 17.Qb4 Qxb4 18.axb4, we are also in good shape. I think that in general, all else being equal, a Queen exchange is better for us in this position. I agree with <Zebra> that we should be trying to grab the half-open c-file with our rook(s), but I can't see a safe way to do it in the short term. I think after the Queens are gone we will have more time to develop this option. Still, I don't think 15...Bb7 is bad, except that it does give White time to play h5 which makes that situation over on the King side just a bit more worrisome, especially with the White Queen still on the long diagonal making e5 mandatory at this point I think. |
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| Mar-10-07 | | TTLump: Here is another interesting line ...
15...Rb8
16.a3 e5
17.Qd2 b4
18.axb4 exf4
19.Bxf4 Rxb4
20.Nd5 Ra4 (can't take the e-pawn because of 21.Nxe7+ Rxe7 22.Bxd6! winning the exchange)
21.Kb1 leading to this position.
click for larger viewor, if White plays 17.fxe5, then
... dxe5 18.Qd2 b4 19.axb4 Bxb4 and we are in GREAT shape, or 19.Nd5 bxa3 and we are in GREAT shape, or if White plays 18.Qd3 then, then
...b4 19.Nd5 bxa3 20.Nxe7+ Qxe7 21.Qxa3 Qe6 leading to this position and I think this looks OK for us. 
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Mar-10-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Brilliant work as usual <TTLump>... And further evidence that <Rb8> is the right train for us to grab here... |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Marco65: Great job from <TTLump> for providing such master games. Unfortunately I didn't have time to look at all of them, but Andreikin - Lugovoi is what convinced me that we need something more bold than ...Bb7. In that game Black played all natural moves, but little by little surrended to White's very good plan: push the h pawn to force ...e5, then occupy d5 with the knight. Black is almost forced to take the knight, when White gets the bishop pair in an open position. That's why we need to get ...b4 before White can play Nd5. Both 15...Qa5 and 15...Rb8 do the job, I prefer 15...Qa5 for the reason <Zebra> mentioned: the rook might be needed on the c file. I don't have time to contribute with original analysis, but the only game I looked at in <TTLump>'s list seemed fine with me (it also ended in a draw). Therefore if you don't hear from me any more: I vote ...Qa5, but if the final "fight" is between ...Rb8 and ...Bb7 count me in for ...Rb8 ! |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: Thanks for your analysis, guys. I haven't been able to do a lot of my own unfortunately. I will provisionally vote Qa5. I can't see our queen wanting to go anywhere else at the moment, and it may inconvenience white's a3 defence more than Rb8. |
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Mar-11-07
| | TheAlchemist: Could someone fill in for me today and post the move, I probably won't be able to make it because I will be on the road. For now, I am fine with both Qa5 and Rb8, in case of 16.a3 they seem interchangeable, even if they might really not be :-). Anyway, I'd appreciate if someone helped here, thanks. BTW, <Akavall> proposed our move should be posted on 3:00 PM, since the US and Canada had the daylight savings time change. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: It might be worth taking stock here. We have:
a) Rb8: <Jess>, <TTLump>, <chessmoron>, <swapmeet> (though the last two might like to confirm) b) Qa5: <Marco>, <Zebra> either (a) or (b) <TheAlchemist> <TheAlchemist> I would prefer if somebody else would take responsibility for the move, as I am not sure how long I will be around, and I think this one might be a close vote. |
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Mar-11-07
| | TheAlchemist: I might be able to make it at 3:00 PM, but can't promise it. I would like someone to post the move close to the deadline, in case I haven't done it yet myself. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: <I just woke up from my beauty sleep @ 11:49 am PST. I have made our move. Move posted on MFO's site.> I didn't think we'd decdided it yet...
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| Mar-11-07 | | chessmoron: <I didn't think we'd decdided it yet...> Well <Akavall>'s told us the deadline has been extended to 3:00 EST today. Now it's 3:08 EST now. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: I believe it's a little past 14.00 EST. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: In fact that is EDT, EST is only 13.00+. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: It is now 18.20 GMT, and as far as I know EST is GMT-5. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: I have moved this post from <brankat>'s page to this page, which is where it probably belongs. <Zebra: NY is no longer on EST, it is on daylight saving time. Anyway my point was that the move was posted while discussion was going on.> |
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| Mar-11-07 | | chessmoron: <Zebra: NY is no longer on EST, it is on daylight saving time. Anyway my point was that the move was posted while discussion was going on.> No, the discussion was quite over. The discussion was making the move so I made the move. Although <TheAlchemist> was undecided, if he did vote Qa5 for instance, it still is a 4-3 edge on Rb8. |
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| Mar-11-07 | | Zebra: If the discussion was over, the captain could have made the move himself immediately rather than ask somebody to make it nearer the time. |
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Mar-11-07
| | TheAlchemist: Ok, I'm here now. <chessmoron> Thanks! |
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| Mar-11-07 | | chessmoron: Yes I did post the move ahead of the time because due to my computer's time mishap...2 hours ahead instead of one. I'm pretty sure that no one except Akavall, TheAlchemist and me knows the username and password, so I made the move. |
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Mar-11-07
| | TheAlchemist: <chessmoron> Thanks again. I think it's ok the way it ended up, one hour more or less isn't going to make such a difference, and I'm sure nobody will really mind :-) |
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| Mar-11-07 | | brankat: What do we have here? Let's see.
Zebra..........an Astronomer
TheAlchemist...the Achemist
Chessmoron.....a Physicist
And among three of You guys, You still can't decide what time it is! That about sums up the so-called progress of Humanity since the beginning of recorded History :-) |
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