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Mar-07-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Emperor> If we wanna play b4 after, we gots to put our rook on b8, dude. Developing the queen bishop can wait till we get our rook there- we don't want the bishop blocking the rook file behind our b pawn. We'll spring our bishop with devastating effect soon after... I think it's OBVIOUS they will play o-o-o after we play b5. if they don't, it's good for us cuz that's their best move by far, methink.... So I'm already starting the lobby for ...b5 0-0-0 Rb8. Analyze, folks, analyze-- next move now. There's already a quorum for b5 so let's not waste study time here. |
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Mar-07-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Should I post it today already? |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> <Should I post it today already?> TTLump showed up and he was interested in ...e5 but his vote is not clear. No news from chessmoron and Swapmeet. Normally when there is a majority we can post the move, provided: - anybody got a chance to see the move and think of it (eventually deciding not to vote) - the discussion is almost over
About the first, one day should be enough, but this time MFO anticipated the move, and maybe those two guys simply don't know Qxd4 has been played yet... I would wait but that's my opinion, I'm glad the decision is yours! |
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| Mar-07-07 | | chessmoron: Interestingly I posted by voting b5 and strangely got deleted. Oh well! |
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Mar-07-07
| | TheAlchemist: <chessmoron> I didn't delete anything, are you sure? Oh, well... Anyway, it's already late here, so I'm going to post the move tomorrow, that was just a suggestion. See you all tomorrow then! |
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Mar-07-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Good work <Captain>! <Emperor>, welcome back and hope you are feeling better!! <Marco> Yes your super brain assuaged my fears about needing ot play an earlier <e5>- good piece of analysis that... I'm hoping you'll see the wisdom of playing <Rb1> as in <14...b5 15.o-o-o Rb1>. You predicted <Qxd4> (well done) and I'll officially eat my shorts if they don't play <o-o-o> after our <b5> <Team> Goooooooooo Team! <Hitman> is that your hand on my knee again in the Team huddle? |
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| Mar-07-07 | | TTLump: my official vote is 14...b5.
I especially appreciate Marco's analysis of this move and the alternative that I was originally favoring, e5. After the expected 15.O-O-O, I like Rb8 or Qa5. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Marco65: It seems that after 14...b5 15.O-O-O (hoping for Jessica she doesn't have to eat her shorts, because also 15.Be2 seems playable) we'll have many candidate moves: 15...Bb7 (as in Andreikin-Lugovoi), 15...Rb8, 15...Qa5. I would add 15...e5 should we find out this move can't be delayed any more. One point to consider is that after 15.O-O-O (any) 16.f5 our knight can't go to e5 with gain of time because Nf3 is no more a threat. It may imply that 16.f5 becomes a good move, preventing an exf4 exchange and ensuring a 3 pawn attack against our king. 15...Bb7 prevents 16.f5, while 15...Qa5 16.f5 b4 and 15...Rb8 16.f5 b4 must be carefully analysed. I don't have any super-brain but I need a super-break from this analysis room. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Swapmeet: I don't really have anything to add. I'm voting for b5, which was our plan in the first place. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Zebra: I am also happy enough with ...b5. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> 100% voted, you can post it at your convenience... |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Zebra: Move due in 2 hours' time. Is somebody definitely going to be around, or shall I just go ahead and post it? I will be off fairly soon. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | chessmoron: <Zebra> Post the move on their site and I'll post the move on <brankat>'s forum right now. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | Zebra: I don't have the password - please ask <brankat> or <Akavall> to do it for us. <TheAlchemist> I hope this is all right with you. I think you would almost certainly have come on to post the move yourself, but since we are all agreed on the move anyway I thought we might as well. |
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| Mar-08-07 | | chessmoron: <Zebra> Ok, nevermind. I posted the move right now. |
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Mar-08-07
| | TheAlchemist: Ok. See you all later! |
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| Mar-08-07 | | brankat: I hope you guys have also posted the move at MFO site. I do not have the password to get there. Besides, it is the team's responsibility. |
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Mar-08-07
| | TheAlchemist: Don't worry, Chief, we have. |
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| Mar-09-07 | | Zebra: <I'm hoping you'll see the wisdom of playing <Rb1> as in <14...b5 15.o-o-o Rb1>> I assume that should be b8...
I think 15.0-0-0 Rb8 looks good. However, another idea that might be worth looking at (I haven't done a lot of analysis) is to play ...b4 as a gambit. Then after Qxb4 we have the immediate ...d5, a strong point for our minor pieces on c5, and open lines in front of the white king. At any rate they will have a few things to think about other than pushing their kingside pawns. On the other hand, of course, a pawn is a pawn. |
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| Mar-09-07 | | Zebra: Well, MFO have wasted no time in castling. Over to us. |
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Mar-09-07
| | TheAlchemist: Ok, I think the moves that were suggested so far have been 15...Rb8, 15...b4, 15...Qa5, 15...Bb7 |
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| Mar-09-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <<Emperor>, welcome back and hope you are feeling better!!> <jessicafischerqueen> Still coughing a little, but otherwise feeling much better. :) |
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| Mar-09-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: After ...b4, why not simply move ...a5 to guard the b-pawn? I don't see a necessity of moving ...Rb8. On the other hand, 15...Bb7 looks nice to me. It develops a piece without risks and puts pressure on White's e4-pawn. The e4-pawn cannot be advanced because of the threat Bxh1. The other suggestions 15...Qa5 and 15...b4 look intriguing too. But I'm not sure if our queen is needed on our kingside defense. And 15...b4 looks a little early. Perhaps we should develop our structure a bit more before we start to attempt gaining space. Right now I would vote for 15...Bb7 as it looks like a solid and risk-free move. But I would also have no problems 15...b4. |
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Mar-09-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Emperor> The point of Rb8 is so that <b4> is not a gambit- I think an immediate b4 is a waste of a pawn-- I don't see worthwhile compensation... Bb7 can be played later.
I think a Queenside advance is absolutely necessary now. On the Kingside, I still stand by my last week's analysis-- they don't have a great attack there at all, as long as we are careful and make whatever necessary prophylactics arise... I think Rb8 is our strongest, Bb7 the second best... But I really think <Rb8> is best. More detailed analysis to follow, got to get my board out again here. |
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| Mar-09-07 | | Swapmeet: White's idea here is clearly h5-h6, therefore it seems we are going to have to play e5 soon. 14...Rb8 looks like the best move here, preparing our b4 counterattack. |
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