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| Mar-05-07 | | Swapmeet: I second <Marco>'s post. If team members can not or choose not to vote before the deadline there is nothing we can do about that. And since those who have voted seem to have made up their minds, I see no reason for a time-out. The move should be posted by 1pm est as scheduled. |
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| Mar-05-07 | | Zebra: I don't see any real reason here for not going along with what seems to be a majority. |
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| Mar-05-07 | | chessmoron: God I hate Democracy!!! =D |
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Mar-05-07
 | | TheAlchemist: I posted 13...Nxd4 (runs for cover) |
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| Mar-05-07 | | Zebra: OK, so I'm off for a pizza then. (Also running for cover) |
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| Mar-06-07 | | Marco65: I bet MFO will answer Qxd4 one day before. Let's be ready. |
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Mar-06-07
 | | tpstar: <TheAlchemist> Here's a ??? game for your Game Collection: The Best Of The Worst =
A Hobber vs E Pitts, 2006
I really like your Informant Collections. Those are great games. =) |
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| Mar-06-07 | | Zebra: Like I said, I won't be around much in the next couple of days. Just a couple of thoughts. I am still against any ...e5 (sorry <Jess>). ...b5 is a natural move, but I like the look of a couple of alternatives. If Qxd4 (which I guess is probable), ...Qa5; and if Bxd4, I like ...Nb6. Both moves, apart from anything else, increase control of f5 which I think is important at the moment. |
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Mar-06-07
| | TheAlchemist: <tpstar> Thanks. I will complete them someday (hopefully), probably in the summer, when I have more time. |
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| Mar-06-07 | | Marco65: Re: Game Collection: The Best Of The Worst Although I laugh at such games, it is really unbearable that so many important games are missing from chessgames.com while such garbage can easily get in! Reason #1 not to become a premium member. |
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| Mar-06-07 | | Zebra: 14.Qxd4 played early... well anticipated <Marco>. |
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| Mar-06-07 | | dakgootje: <Zebra> Indeed, I don't vote too often, especcially in such an opening I am not at all confortable in. A little later in the game I plan to contribute MUCH more, if I don't happen to have the time for that or whatever I might take a step down, but first... give me some moves to become a little more confortable with the position etc ;-) |
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| Mar-06-07 | | TTLump: OK, we played Nxd4, I am glad. I liked e5, but I think we can have an excellent game from this position. Now after the expected Qxd4, I want to propose that we take another long, strong look at e5, please. BTW, it says our next move is due on Thursday, Mar 7, which, being an impossibility in this decade, I am hoping is really Thursday Mar 8 and not Wednesday Mar 7. |
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| Mar-06-07 | | Marco65: My thoughts before I go to sleep. I don't like to block the b-pawn as in 14...Nb6, therefore I consider 14...e5 and 14...b5. In principle, I'd like to play ...e5 as late as possible, to delay White's exploitation of d5 and also for a psychological effect: White might be tempted to try the h5-h6 advance, that after ...e5 and ...g6 doesn't bring any good to him (imo the most dangerous pawn storms are h5+g6 or f5+g6). On the other hand, I agree that we have to prevent f5. For instance 14...b5 15.f5 e5?! 16.Qd2 is very good for White, who besides the usual outpost in d5 still have 3 pawns ready to attack our king. ...e5 is very effective when can be followed by ...exf4. But right now f5 is not a worry: 14...b5 15.f5 Ne5! (threatening ...Nf3+ and ...exf5) 16.Bg2 Nc4 17.O-O-O [17.e5? dxe5 18.Qxd8 Rxd8 19.Bxa8 Nxe3 20.Rc1 exf5  ] 17...Nxe3 18.Qxe3 Bb7 and we are better imo, we shouldn't be afraid of 19.f6 gxf6 20.gxf6 Bxf6 21.Qg3+ Kh8! 22.Rxd6 Qa5 with multiple threats (...b4 + ...Be5, ...Rg8 + ...Bxc3 etc). Therefore, we can afford 14...b5 and I think that's the best move here. |
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Mar-06-07
| | TheAlchemist: <BTW, it says our next move is due on Thursday, Mar 7, which, being an impossibility in this decade, I am hoping is really Thursday Mar 8 and not Wednesday Mar 7.> Corrected. Thanks! |
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Mar-06-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: kk I looked at our position now and I agree that we have two Candidate Moves here: <e5> or <b5> <Marco> gives a good argument why it is still safe to delay <e5>. So, let's look at both... After <b5>, white is almost certain to Castle Long, and will have completed development. If <e5>, however, <fxe5> is surely forced (or close to it) and then we play <Nxe5> and have essentially taken the sting out of any kingside pawn advance against us. On the other hand, if we play <b5 o-o-o>, then we have a good target for a Queenside attack- Some strong counterplay for us, I think... And I think it important to initiate counterplay soon as possible now. In fact, after <14...b5 15.o-o-o>, We have a variety of good moves-- <Bb7> (weakest, I think), <Qa5> (preparing b4), or, my favorite at this point in my analysis, <Rb8> (again preparing b4) and leaving our Queen in reserve, to defend Kingside if necessary or to join in attack on Queenside... If <14...b5 15.o-o-o Rb8>, and they try <16.h5>, we play <16...b4>... So, since <Marco> points out that we don't HAVE to play <14...e5> yet, I am now leaning towards ,<14...b5> In fact, I officially vote for it...
Count me in for <14...b5> unless I post differently before the deadline... |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Marco65: <jessicafischerqueen> I thought it was customary for us to have different opinions... I'll change my vote ;-) |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Zebra: <Marco> Isn't Nb6 impossible anyway? <dakgootje> No criticism intended - I hope you didn't take it that way. I am in favour of ...b5, but think that ...Qa5 is also worth a look. |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Zebra: <In principle, I'd like to play ...e5 as late as possible, to delay White's exploitation of d5 and also for a psychological effect: > I completely agree with this.
I feel that the knight exchange has improved our position a bit. Now one priority has to be to kick the knight off c3 (or pin it) before we have to play ...e5. |
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| Mar-07-07 | | hitman84: OK. I officially vote <b5>! |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Marco65: <Zebra> <Isn't Nb6 impossible anyway?> Of course, I wanted to see if the team was awake ;-) Actually I didn't look at it at all, I just remembered that you proposed it one move before, now I understand you proposed it just in case of Bxd4. 14...Qa5 seems fine, it also prevents f5, but after 15.O-O-O we are likely to play 15...b5 anyway to continue our attack, therefore 14...b5 seems more flexible: it's a necessary thrust, while we may change our mind about the best square for our queen. Can someone volunteer to filter all master games we had so far to reduce the list only to those pertinent to our position (if any)? |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Zebra: <Marco> Yes, I think you're right. I will look at it again, but I think at the moment I prefer ...b5. |
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| Mar-07-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: I've been staring at the position for a while, and I think my vote goes to <14...b5>. First my thoughts about <14...e5>: I see <jessicafischerqueen> claims White is then practically forced to move 15.fxe5. Why is that? Can't white simply move the queen away with e.g. 15.Qd3, or 15.Qd2 or 15.Qc4 (I think 15.Qd2 would be best of these three). Anyway, meanwhile, when we move <14...e5>, we give up the d5 square, which seems a really convenient outpost for the White knight on c3. I don't think we should make it that easy for White. That alone is a reason for me to vote for <14...b5>. Another advantage of <14...b5> is that it allows us to develop our queenside and free our bishop on c8. We could also opt for a further pawn advance with <...b4> followed by <...a5> to exert further pressure on the queenside. For now, White's kingside pawn storm doesn't look very dangerous to me and I think we can safely afford a move on the queenside at this point. So I repeat my vote: it is <14...b5>! But it is very well possible that someone else provides some extra views that might make me change my opinion, of course. |
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| Mar-07-07 | | dakgootje: Mkay, in lieu of my more commonplace mascot role, I actually gave the position a look, read the comments and officially vote b5. Do not see any good alternatives. |
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| Mar-07-07 | | Marco65: Welcome <dakgootje>. I hope you finally realised no specific opening knowledge is required here, since nobody has the minimum idea of what kind of opening we ended into, although we would hardly admit it :-) |
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