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Mar-26-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Marco> Sure. I'm ready, although I will be quite busy this week, but I'll give my best, I hope everybody else will be around as well, it seems we've all had some other urgent stuff to do that coincided at the same time. Now we're also all on daylight savings time, so it's back to GMT -5, whether it's EST or EDT I don't really give a damn anymore. |
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| Mar-26-07 | | Marco65: <whether it's EST or EDT I don't really give a damn anymore> You still should this move, unless you change the deadline in your profile to 4 PM EDT :-) |
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| Mar-26-07 | | mckmac: Greetings<Team> I am trying to get my head around the time zone thing.Here in N.Z. we are 16 hours ahead of New York time(that's EDT right?!) So we are within the 48hrs and are free to discuss the game here now? Cheers-Matt. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | Marco65: Yes discussion can start. I think also 18...Bb7 is playable since b4 is taboo. I thought it was better than 18...Qa5 because I don't like 19.b3 Bb7 20.fxe5 and we can't take back with ...dxe5 as I'd like. But 18...Qa5 19.b3 exf4 20.Bxf4 Nc5!? is a double edged position that seems to give us an advantage. I'll post my analyses later on |
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| Mar-27-07 | | mckmac: <The Alchemist> and <The Team>: I have been looking at 18..Qa5,taking up the line mentioned by <Marco65> before the adjournment. <after 17..e5 18.Qd3 should be good for us,as is 18.Qd2 Qa5 19.b3 Bb7 20.fxe5 Nxe5 21.Bg2 Bc6> 19.b3 looks kind of forced,if White wants to sac the Knight and roll a pawn forward-Black will have nasty counter threats on a2 and a3. Following the logical line 19..Bb7 20.fxe5 Nxe5 allows White to play 21.Bb6,which looks like fun.So i've looked at basic continuations from 21.Bb6 21..Nf3 22.Bxa5 Nxd2 23.Rxd2 Bxg5 24.Bg2 (24..Bxd2 25.Kxd2 Rfe8 26.Bxb4 Bxe4 Rxe4) 21..Nf3 22.Bxa5 Nxd2 23.Kxd2 Bxg5+ 24.Ke1 Bxe4 25.Rg1 Bh4+ 26.Kd2 (26..d5 27.Nc5 Bf2 28.Nd7 Bxg1 29.Nxf8 Kxf8) |
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| Mar-27-07 | | hitman84: My analysis.
18. Qd2 Qa5
19. b3 exf4
20. Bxf4 Bb7
21. Bxd6 Bxg5
22. Bf4 Bxe4
23. Rg1 Bxf4
24. Qxf4 Qe5
25. Qg4 Qf5
26. Qxf5 Bxf5
27. Bxa6 =
click for larger view18. Qd2 Qa5
19. b3 Bb7
20. fxe5 Nxe5
21. Kb1 Nf3
22. Qf2 Nxg5
click for larger view18. Qd2 Qa5
19. b3 Bb7
20. Bg2 Bc6
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| Mar-27-07 | | Marco65: <hitman84> Welcome back! and <mckmac> welcome! I'm not looking any more at what I proposed before. I concentrated on 18...Qa5 19.b3 exf4 20.Bxf4 Nc5 on the bus, with the idea 21.Nxc5 Qxa2. It seems to lose a piece while in my opinion it ends  with best defence 21.Bxd6. I need some time tonight to complete and post analysis, but maybe you guys already see a major flaw... |
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| Mar-27-07 | | mckmac: Gidday <Hitman84>: Just played through your first line of analysis and it looks interesting,but doesn't 25..Qf5 run into 26.Qxg7? |
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| Mar-27-07 | | hitman84: <mckmac>Sorry, here is the intended line. 18. Qd2 Qa5
19. b3 exf4
20. Bxf4 Bb7
21. Bxd6 Bxg5
22. Bf4 Bxe4
23. Rg1 Bxf4
24. Qxf4 Qf5
25. Qxf5 Bxf5
26. Bxa6 =
Its equal, the other two variations look good for us. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | mckmac: Gidday <Marco65>! You sound like you have a packed schedule at the moment, studying on the bus no less--OUTSTANDING. Here's one line leading on from your 20...Nc5. (18.Qa5 19.b3 fxe4 20.Bxf4) Nc5 21.Bxd6 Bxd6 22.Qxd6 Nxa4(!?) 23.Qxb8 Qxg5+ 24.Rd2 Nc3 25.Bd3* Nxa2+ 26.Kd1 Nc3+ 27.Kc1 Bg4* 28.Qb6* Na2+ 29.Kb1 Qxd2 30.Kxa2 (*unsure) Not sure how sound the above is.Very late here and a little sleeepy.Ciao. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | Swapmeet: In your line, 21.Bxd6 appears to just be a blunder for white after 21...Nxe4. The problem I see with 20...Nc5 is that after 21.Nxc5 Qxa2, white can defend the mating threat via c4, and then after dxc5, Bxb8. So perhaps 18...Qa5 19.b3 Nc5 right away is better, although I don't like that either because 20.Bxc5 dxc5 21.Bc4 and our queenside attack seems to be stymied. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | chessmoron: Not to freak you out:
An alternative line that may shock our opponents and ruin their plan: 18...Bb7 19.h6 g6 20.fxe5 Nxe5 21.Qxb4 Bxg5 22.Bxg5 Qxg5+ = 
click for larger viewThe position is very clean and I like it a lot. Sorry about the short notice but I wasn't aware the deadline is 1:30 remaining. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | Zebra: I like the look of the immediate Bb7. Sorry <marco> I hadn't realized you had already suggested it - still a bit of catching up to do. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> Your line is even better for Black, since 26...Bb4+ wins the queen. <Swapmeet> In any case 21.Bxd6 can be met by 21...Nxe4 as you suggested, but is not a very big blunder after 22.Qe3 Bxg5 23.Bf4. Unfortunately your 21.Nxc5 Qxa2 22.c4! just wins for White! Not even considered that. Thanks for saving me lots of time of useless analysis At this point my preference is for 18...Bb7 |
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| Mar-27-07 | | chessmoron: Voting Poll:
18...Bb7 30%
18...Qa5 30%
Divided 20%
Undecided 20%
18...Bb7 <Marco65> <myself> <Zebra> 18...Qa5 <TheAlchemist> <TTLump> <hitman84> In between <mckmac> <Swapmeet> Not voted yet: <EmperorAtahualpa> <dakgootje> |
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Mar-27-07
| | TheAlchemist: We could still try 18...Qa5 19.h6 (the intermezzo we have already discussed before I think, where Qxa4 would lose or at least be very bad, I'm sure they will strongly consider it) g6 20.b3 Nc5 21.Nxc5 Qxa2 (I think it's playable) 22.c4 Qa3+ 23.Qb2 (I don't think any of us want a perpetual here) dxc5 and now exchanging queens should be good for us, we get the open b-file (the b3 pawn is very weak). So, 24.fxe5 a5, with the idea of a4, which is even worse now for white if he exchanges queens. <chessmoron>'s line also seems very solid and good. |
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| Mar-27-07 | | chessmoron: <TheAlchemist> You are horrible at mathematics =): 1,2,3,<5>,<7>,8,9,10,11,12 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 |
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Mar-27-07
| | TheAlchemist: There, I made some adjustments (which used to be there before, but somehow got removed), but not the ones you were hoping for :-P |
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| Mar-27-07 | | mckmac: Thanks <Marco65>. I missed that. Amendment: (25.Bd3 Nxa2+) 26.Kb2 Qxd2 27.Kxa2 Be6 28.Qe5... |
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| Mar-28-07 | | brankat: Good to see You all working so hard :-) |
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| Mar-28-07 | | mckmac: <TheAlchemist> If it is okay with you and <The Team> I would prefer to abstain should the decision require the casting of votes later on. This does not mean I don't have an opinion on the position,far from it,but simply because I am a very recent addition to the squad,and as such, do not feel comfortable in immediately having an equal say.I am also a beginner in the art of the consultation game,and need to 'learn the ropes' before 'putting the gloves on'. |
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| Mar-28-07 | | Zebra: <mckmac> That isn't how it works - your opinion is important! Though most of us have some moves where we don't feel like voting, and that is also OK. I confirm my vote for Bb7, though I will look in again before close of play. |
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| Mar-28-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> 18...Qa5 19.h6 g6 20.b3 Nc5 21.Nxc5 Qxa2 is fine to us, but I don't like 21.Bxc5 dxc5 22.Kb1 and then Nb2-c4, a manoeuver suggested in the past (by hitman84?). Black should be equal at least. While <chessmoron>'s line after18...Bb7 seems very good for us. And if MFO chose 19.h6 g6 20.Bg2? then Bc6 21.b3 Bxa4 22.bxa4 Qa5 <mckmac> You HAVE to vote, don't be shy! |
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| Mar-28-07 | | Marco65: I also think we shouldn't be afraid of ghosts: 18...Bb7 19.h6? Bxe4 20.hxg7 Kxg7 21.Rxh7?? Bxh7 22.g6 fxg6 23.f5 Rxf5 24.Bxh6+ Kh8 25.Be2 Bg5 only loses a rook for White. |
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| Mar-28-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Hi guys! Sorry to drop in very late again, but I'll have time tonight to spend on chess and our team game. I'll be here after the football game (The Netherlands vs. Slovenia). <TheAlchemist> Are you ready? :) |
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