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| Apr-15-07 | | Zebra: I will provisionally go with Be4 as well, though I will look in again. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time as the new semester starts tomorrow. I think we want to play Qc7 as soon as possible - I was looking into the idea of playing it immediately, but I think Be4 is better. As I said on my forum my premium membership expires tomorrow, so enjoy your last look at St Basil's! |
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| Apr-15-07 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Hi guys. Sorry for my (extremely) late post. :( I'm very busy these days and can barely keep up with all the things I have to do. That's why I really can not stay in this game. :( But I guess that was already obvious because I didn't show up for so long. Sorry if I got you guys into trouble because of my absence. :( Good luck with the game though, and I hope I'll have some time more in the future to see how things are developing..! (For those people that see me on GameKnot and Hattrick, don't expect to see me much there either!) |
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| Apr-15-07 | | Marco65: <EA> Thanks for informing us. It seems some people disappear without notice. Sad fate anyway we can't finish a consultation game together! <mckmac> Thanks for your wishes, I've just won in the 4th table after almost 5 hours! But I had to escape to catch the train while one of my teammates was still playing so I don't know if my effort has been useful. |
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| Apr-15-07 | | Zebra: I confirm Be4 as my vote. Is anybody around to post? As far as I can see we have <chessmoron> for Kh8 and <Zebra>, <hitman> and I think <marco> for Be4, not sure about <mkcmac>. Anybody else? |
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Apr-15-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Sorry, for being so late, I got stuck in traffic. I just posted 22...Be4. |
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| Apr-15-07 | | Marco65: The move has been posted and I still like it, but our reaction to 23.Rhf1 must be better analysed. <hitman84> Your plan ...Qa5 and ...Bc6 was proven too slow in the past in a similar position. I analysed it again and think White gets an irresistible attack for the piece. But let's not waste time with it because also 23.Rhf1 Kh8 24.Qxb4 is possible and equalizes imo: 24...d5 25.Qe1 d4 26.Bg1 f5 27.Kb1 27...Qc7 28.Qe2 and White defends well. Therefore I think we have to live with 23.Rhf1 Qa5 (to protect b4) 24.fxe5 Nxe5 25.Nb6 Rc6 26.Nd5 Bxd5 27.Bxd5 Nc4 28.gxf7+ Kh8 29.Bxc4 Rxc4
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where we are probably slightly better |
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Apr-15-07
| | TheAlchemist: <hitman> I find 23.Rhf1 d5 24.fxe5 Nxe5 25.gxf7+ Rxf7 26.Rxf7 quite unpleasant. White would continue with Nb6-xd5 I was toying around and found an interesting variation: 23.Rhf1 Qa5 24.fxe5 Nxe5 25.gxf7 Kh8 26.Nb6 Rc3. It involes an exchange sacrifice after 27.Kb1 Rxb3 28.axb3 Nf3 29.Qe2 Qxh5 or Rxf7. Is this any good? |
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Apr-15-07
| | TheAlchemist: For the time being, I'm for 23.Rhf1 Qa5, where after 24.gxf7 we answer Rxf7 and if 25.Bxf7? Kxf7 we are actually winning. Of course, White would continue with 25.fxe5 Nxe5 26.Nb6! (again, 26.Bxf7 is bad) Rc7 (or can we try Rc3 as well? but that's probably unsound anyway) 27.Nd5 Rxc2! 28.Bxc2 Bxd5 (29.Qxd5 Qxd5 30.Rxd5 Rxf1) |
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Apr-15-07
| | TheAlchemist: Damn, just noticed the intermezzo 27.Rxf7.
Ok, so after 23.Rhf1 Qa5 24.gxf7 Rxf7 25.fxe5 Nxe5 26.Nb6 maybe Rcf8? This allows for exchanges 27.Bxf7 Rxf7 28.Rxf7 and here maybe even Kxf7!? (Nxf7 is probably ok too, but this way, after 29.Nd5 the e7 bishop isn't hanging with check, so we have time for 29...Qxa2!) 29.Rf1+ Ke6 and the king seems quite safe there, and it also helps control d5 |
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| Apr-16-07 | | brankat: <CG Team> Very fine analysis guys. It's not easy now since You are so very "short-handed", but try to keep up the good work! I suppose the MFO Team is having the same problem. 86 days already! This game may set a new record :-) |
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| Apr-16-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> I don't question the correctness of your analysis, but the result is that we are an exchange down, so I don't get the point: why not 23.Rhf1 Qa5 24.gxf7+ Kh8 without sacrificing the exchange? |
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| Apr-16-07 | | mckmac: Wow.There's loads of meaty analysis here for me to catch up on. <Marco65> Congratulations on your victory,five hours is a serious effort! How did the last playing member of the team get on? Btw,thanks for the 'overviews' you give on our game,I find them both interesting and useful. |
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| Apr-16-07 | | Zebra: I agree with <marco> that Qa5 is too slow. What about Qc7, increasing the pressure on c2 and allowing the KR to come to the d-file? |
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| Apr-16-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> <How did the last playing member of the team get on?> You won't believe it, he lost! And he is a Fide Master, paired against an expert. Making my effort useless, our team didn't get promoted to "B". <Zebra> <I agree with <marco> that Qa5 is too slow> Well, did I say that? If you refer to an antidote to 23.Rhf1 I'm actually proposing 23...Qa5. I'm not enthusiast with it, but I think other moves are worse. My doubt about 23...Qc7 is that it doesn't threat anything actually, c2 is already defended 3 times. While it would be great if we were allowed to play ...Qa5, ...Rc6 and ...Rfc8 |
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Apr-16-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Marco> <23.Rhf1 Qa5 24.gxf7+ Kh8> Well, that is possbile too... :-) It's just that it's already been analyzed before, so I decided to focus on something else... As I have explained already before, I like sacrifices and will thus sometimes produce such lines. Maybe something useful will once pop up... |
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| Apr-17-07 | | mckmac: It looks like some good thought has gone into 23.Rhf1,so having nothing new to add there for the moment,I decided to examine a line in 23.gxf7+ Kh8 24.h6 23.gxf7+ Kh8 24.h6 g6 (24...Bxh1 25.hxg7+ Kxg7 26.Rxh1 Nf6 27.fxe5 dxe5 28.Qg2+ and white wins.26..Nf6 does no good at all,but what else?) 25.Rhf1 d5 26.fxe5 Nxe5 27.Nb6 Rc6 28.Nxd5 Bxd5 (28...Nxf7 29.Bd4+ Kg8 30.Nxe7+ Qxe7 31.Rde1) 29.Qxd5 (29.Bxd5 Rd6 30.Bc5? Bg5) Qxd5 30.Bxd5 (threat 31.Bd4) <Marco> Tough break with your team mate at the match.Sounds like it was important for the team to win as well.He must feel terrible,but that's life I guess,happens to the best of us. |
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| Apr-17-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> You are my personal refutor! By inserting h6 into the line our opponent gets a good position with lot of risks for us on the long a1-h8 diagonal. 23.gxf7+ Kh8 24.h6 g6 25.Rhf1
and now 25...d5 is bad as you showed, while attempts to follow the path I proposed earlier are even more dangerous: 25...Qa5 26.fxe5 Nxe5 27.Nb6 Rc6 28.Nd5 Bxd5 29.Bxd5 Nc4? 30.Bd4+ So I propose 25...Rc6 26.Qxb4 d5 27.Qe1 Rxf7 28.fxe5 Rxf1 29.Qxf1 Nxe5 30.Bd4 Bf6 31.Bxe5 (it was important to analyse this, but might actually deserve a ?!) 31...Bxe5 32.Qf7 Qc8 [32...Rc7? 33.Qe6 Qe7 34.Qxa6] 33.Nc3 Rc7
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and I think it's our turn to attack. At least, we are still in the game. But to be frank, I hope they'll never get the idea of playing Rhf1 instead of Rhg1. |
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| Apr-17-07 | | hitman84: <EA>Its alright mate. Hope to see you soon. <TEAM>It seems I have a lot of catching up to do. I'll post my analysis later tomorrow. |
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| Apr-17-07 | | chessmoron: MFO plays <23. gxf7>. Next move due by 3:00 PM EST on April 19th. As you have all known, United States have suffered a tragic event in Virginia for the 30+ mass killing of college student by one psycho maniac. Grievances and condolences to all families who lost their children and the death of 5 faculty member including Liviu Librescu, a 76-year old professor and Holocaust survivor, who hold off the shooter so to let the student go through while sacrificing himself for the benefit for the students. |
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| Apr-17-07 | | mckmac: 23.gxf7+ : move made and noted.I haven't had time to go through <Marco's> latest analysis yet,but will do so later in the day.I am very keen on the earlier proposal--that is,we decide on what we need to look at,then we share the load as best we can. |
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| Apr-18-07 | | Marco65: This time I don't want to spend much time. ...Rxf7 was analyzed by TheAlchemist and just loses the exchange. ...Kh8 should be played by exclusion. The only line someone may wish to review is ...Rxf7 just in case an improvement is found over previous analysis. |
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| Apr-18-07 | | mckmac: <Marco> Absolutely.Kh8 by exclusion.Below is a response to your previous post. The 25...Rc6 line that you propose looks like a real option for us.I agree that 31.Bxe5 might be dubious,so tried 31.Nc3 instead. 
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Position after 30...Bf6
31.Nc3 Rd6 (black has some difficulty now improving his position) 32.Nxe4 dxe4 33.Qf4 (looks to be the sharpest) Nd3+ 34.cxd3 Bxd4 35.Qxe4 Qf8 with a tough fight ahead. If 35.dxe4 Rf6 (36.Rxd4? Qc8+ 37.Rc4 Qxc4+ 38.Bxc4 Rxf4) Given this sort of thing,white should probably just get his King off [c1] as soon as he can,with 32.Kb1 |
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| Apr-18-07 | | chessmoron: <Rxf7 and if 25.Bxf7? Kxf7 we are actually winning. Of course, White would continue with 25.fxe5 Nxe5 26.Nb6! (again, 26.Bxf7 is bad) Rc7 (or can we try Rc3 as well? but that's probably unsound anyway) 27.Nd5 Rxc2! 28.Bxc2 Bxd5 (29.Qxd5 Qxd5 30.Rxd5 Rxf1)> What about 26...d5!? |
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Apr-18-07
| | TheAlchemist: If everyone's ok with it, we can play Kh8 today. |
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| Apr-18-07 | | chessmoron: i think we are in trouble if we play kh8. f7-pawn needs to go. |
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