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| Apr-26-07 | | Zebra: <Marco65: Who can update the analysis board on GameKnot?> I have entered the moves as conditional moves, but it requires black to move to trigger them. Unfortunately I am only able to move for "the enemy". |
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| Apr-27-07 | | mckmac: Hey--you can even find an internet cafe in a one-horse town. Those (MF) MFO fella's sure like to suprise. I can't add much here,but I remember looking at one of the lines already mentioned. <After 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 (as chessmoron proposes) might be played although b4 is en prise> 25.Nb6 Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 27.Qxb4 d5 28.Qd4 Bf6
25.Nb6 Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 27.Rxf7 Nxf7 28.Qxb4 Qe5!? |
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| Apr-27-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> Welcome back (to your virtual home at least)! 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 27.Qxb4?! thinking it over is not well met by 27...d5?! 28.Qa5 when d5 is under attack (and 28...Nd3+ 29.Kb1 Bb4?? 30.Qa4 Bc5 31.cxd3 just loses a piece). But 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 27.Qxb4?! Bxc2! 28.Bxf7+ [28.Bxc2? Rxf1 29.Rxf1?? Nd3+  ] Nxf7 is good for us While 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1 Qe8 27.Rxf7 Nxf7 28.Qxb4 is the right way to proceed for White (btw your 28...Qe5 is impossible here).
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Again 28...d5 is well met by 29.Qa5 and d5 falls.
That's why I prefered 26...d5 to 26...Qe8, but now I think the idea 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1 d5 27.Nxd5 Nd3+ 28.Kb1 Bxd5? is a mistake: 29.Qxd3 Rd6 30.Bc5!
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I looked at this many times, it's very complex but it seems to lose the exchange at minimum in any variation (to be double checked!). Anyway that's for the future. I haven't seen any alternative to 25...Rc6 so far, is everybody ok with that move? (Voice crying in the desert) |
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Apr-27-07
 | | TheAlchemist: I'm OK with Rc6 too, I don't see anything better either. |
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| Apr-27-07 | | Zebra: I'm OK with Rc6 as well, though I don't see any point in posting it early. <Marco (and 28...Nd3+ 29.Kb1 Bb4?? 30.Qa4 Bc5 31.cxd3 just loses a piece).> Doesn't 29.Kb1 lose their queen? |
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| Apr-27-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65> I couldn't really believe it was possible for us to give them the slip so easily here,but lf you don't ask you may never know. The posted position after 30. Bc5! is diabolically complex Marco, not just 'quite'..heh -- you have excelled once again! <Zebra> Thanks for the ANZAC wishes.Big day for us all. (can't see how 29.Kb1 drops the Queen in that particular line..) <TheAlchemist> I also support 25...Rc6 (btw, great job keeping the good ship afloat imo) |
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Apr-27-07
| | TheAlchemist: 25...Rc6 posted |
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| Apr-27-07 | | Zebra: <mckmac> Sorry, I was getting confused. You've heard of snow blindness - this is chess blindness, or computer screen blindness. |
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| Apr-27-07 | | mckmac: <Zebra> Tell me about it...:-).I personally think that in the long run it's better to post something with holes or even blunders than nothing at all.Unless you are Italian,then we could be in deep doo-doo.If <chessmoron> hadn't followed <TheAlchemist> down a shady side-street,we probably would have played 23...Kh8 and everyone would be running for cover about now... |
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| Apr-27-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> don't put the blame on the wrong ones! <so I'm afraid also 23...Rxf7 deserves consideration> page 74, I was the first to propose that, and supported it with tons of stupid analysis! In any case also 23...Kh8 had its trouble. |
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| Apr-27-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65>:< In any case also 23...Kh8 had its trouble.> Rotten Trouble! Position after you pointed out : 23...Kh8 24.h6 g6 25.Rhf1 Rc6 26.fxe5 Nxe5 27.Qd4! (which we seemed to agree was pretty much forcing) 
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| Apr-27-07 | | Marco65: <in the long run it's better to post something with holes or even blunders than nothing at all> Yes I'm a forerunner of that method! From your post I think you are also getting my own sour feeling: we are about to lose this game... The point is that after 25...Rc6 26.Rhf1!?
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quiet moves like 26...Qe8 or 26...a5 are met by 27.Qd4. The queen moves from d2 with gain of tempo, and after our bishop moves they can just pick the exchange in f7 then protect c2 with a rook (if needed, since our bishop has probably also changed diagonal). I desperately tried other moves to avoid this, but with no success. The point of all our play, 26...d5, seems to fail to 27.Nxd5 Nd3+ 28.Kb1 Bxd5 29.Qxd3 Rd6 30.Bc5. 26...Bf6 doesn't seem to improve after 27.Nd5.
The paradoxical 26...Kf8 27.Qd4 Bf5 (apparently brilliant) loses to 28.Bxf7 Rxc2+ 29.Kb1 Rd2+ 30.Rxf5 Rxd4 31.Be6+ Bf6 32.Bxd4 and White has too many pieces for the queen. I hope someone has better luck (= more skilled) than me and can find a way to keep walking on the rope! |
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| Apr-27-07 | | mckmac: <Marco> As you say,things don't look great for Black right now...but sometime, sooner or later,perhaps White might play one more suprise,an inaccuracy.And we will be ready. |
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| Apr-27-07 | | Dr.Lecter: <alchemist> I'll be shot if I reveal the information?! Why not give a positive motivation instead of a threat? |
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| Apr-28-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> We'll see this move. The immediate Nd5 is more instinctive but should give us more chances, and they might play it if they don't see why ...Rxb6 is not a threat. Otherwise, we'll pretend we intentionally sacrificed the exchange and find the way that gives us more compensation! |
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Apr-28-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Dr.Lecter> And that's coming from you... Seriously, though, I didn't have any better ideas. Do you? |
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| Apr-28-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65> I wish I had something useful to add,but the truth is I still have to catch up with the analysis/strategy you posted up for our last move.It has been a crazy week for me,too much work,too much travel and too much trouble...I'm staying in bed all day tomorrow,a small act of protest --just me and my notebook,John Coltrane's 'Ballads' and the chess set. ;-/ |
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| Apr-28-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> Wow, I wish I could have such a day... one day |
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| Apr-28-07 | | Octavia: which one is your = collection? sounds like a good idea. Some1 mentioned it in a CaroKann Tal game, but your collections don't look like draws to me. |
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| Apr-28-07 | | mckmac: Akavall: <<<<<<ATTENTION>>>>>>
MFO plays <26. Rhf1> Played at 4:51 PM EST on April 28th. Next move due by 5:00 PM on April 30th |
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| Apr-28-07 | | chessmoron: I'm going with my analysis and vote 26...Qe8. I know we are a bit of trouble but we can fight it. |
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| Apr-28-07 | | mckmac: One position not shown previously (housekeeping):
Marco : <The paradoxical 26...Kf8 27.Qd4 Bf5 (apparently brilliant) loses to 28.Bxf7 Rxc2+ 29.Kb1 Rd2+ 30.Rxf5 Rxd4 31.Be6+ Bf6 32.Bxd4 and White has too many pieces for the queen.> 
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| Apr-28-07 | | mckmac: <chessmoron> You and I have been 'team mates' since page 65,the 22nd of March 2007. Please confirm that you are aware of this.
Regards,mckmac |
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| Apr-28-07 | | chessmoron: I have to decline that confirmation.
All I know is that you, <Marco65>, and <TheAlchemist> who are still here to play till the end. |
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| Apr-29-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65 : The point of all our play, 26...d5, seems to fail to 27.Nxd5 Nd3+ 28.Kb1 Bxd5 29.Qxd3 Rd6 30.Bc5.>
30.Bc5 Rxf1 31.Rxf1 Bxb3 32.Bxd6 Bxc2+ 33.Qxc2 Qxd6 34.Qc8+ Bd8?! ...34.Qf5 Bf6 35.Qc8+ Kf7 36.Qb7+ Kg8
...34.Qf5 Bf6 35.h6 Qe5 36.Qc8+ Kf7 37.Qb7+ Kg8 38.Qxb4 Qe2 |
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