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| May-18-07 | | Elixir of Life: My vote is down for a4. |
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| May-18-07 | | Marco65: <ATTENTION> They played <31.Bxa4> I'm afraid 31...Ne5 is the only consistent move.
We are losing material of course, but we broke that pin. |
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| May-19-07 | | Zebra: Yes, that was the plan. I vote Ne5... |
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May-19-07
 | | TheAlchemist: I agree on Ne5, otherwise what's the point of a4. |
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| May-19-07 | | chessmoron: Will this work? 31...Bh4 32.Qd4 Qe5 33.Bxc6 Bxd5/a 34.Qxh4 Bxc6 35.Qxb4 
click for larger viewa. Qxd4? 34.Bxd4...doesn't look good for us. |
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| May-19-07 | | Marco65: <chessmoron> Even if it should work, the reason I'm scared of 31...Bh4 is that if they decide to refuse material they might play 32.Rg1 and after we stop the threat by ...Bg6 or ...g6 33.Bb3 and we are again in the same nightmare but with a pawn less... Unless you prove our bishop being in g6 makes a difference I'm not convinced by 31...Bh4 |
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| May-19-07 | | chessmoron: <Marco65> After 32.Rg1, we play Bxd5 safely and if they play Bf4, we play Qe6! sac-ing our rook for an bishop. We have B+B+N and they have B+N with one extra pawn and it holds our position with them. BTW I don't think they'll play Rg1, if they did, we are the luckiest SOBs ever. |
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| May-19-07 | | Marco65: <chessmoron> 32...Bxd5 of course! I will reconsider 31...Bh4 in light of this, but tomorrow, I really need some sleep now. Thanks |
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| May-20-07 | | Marco65: <chessmoron> Your 31...Bh4 deserves a lot of attention. For the time being I checked that they can't get dangerous by Rxg7+. After 31...Bh4 32.Rg1? Bxd5 33.Rxg7+ Kh8 the situation is very messy (which means: don't trust my words!), they have 2 ways to attack on the long diagonal:: a) 34.Qd4? Bf6! 35.Qxd5 Qxe3+ 36.Qd2 Qxd2 37.Kxd2 Rc7 
click for larger viewb) 34.Bd4 Ne5 and now:
b1) 35.Rc7? Qd8! 36.Rxc6 Bxc6 37.Bxc6 Bg5 38.Be3 Bxe3 39.Qxe3 Nxc6 40.Qg3 Qe7 b2) 35.Bxe5 Qxe5 36.Bxc6 Bxc6
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we should hold here, notice we are threatening ...Bf6 and if 37.Qxb4 Bg5+ 38.Kb1 Bxh6, while if 37.Rc7?? Bg5 38.Rc8+ Be8 39.Rxe8+ Qxe8 40.Qxg5 Qe1# So you're right we'd be lucky if they played 32.Rg1, I'm going now to read all your analysis for other 32nd moves |
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| May-20-07 | | Marco65: <chessmoron> I couldn't find any improvement over your 31...Bh4 32.Qd4 Qe5 33.Bxc6 Bxd5 34.Qxh4 Bxc6 35.Qxb4 so they gain the exchange here as well (notice your diagram is wrong, the g6 pawn is still in g7) |
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May-20-07
| | TheAlchemist: <31...Bh4 32.Qd4 Qe5 33.Bxc6 Bxd5 34.Qxh4 Bxc6 35.Qxb4> Aren't we just totally lost in that line? |
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| May-20-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> Yes we are! I'm still hoping someone finds improvements. But consider 31...Ne5 32.Bxc6 Nxc6 33.Nxb4 Ba5 34.a3
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a little better but still lost isn't it? (34...Nxb4 35.Qd4 Na2+ 36.Kb1 Qe5 37.Qxe5 dxe5 38.Bd2) To anticipate my point, I think ...Bh4 requires precision from them, they might be tempted to move the rook, while the ...Ne5 line is very straightforward. My idea is: play ...Bh4, and if they get everything right resign! |
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May-20-07
| | TheAlchemist: Well, yeah, 32.Qd4 is the move they have to find, other moves aren't so good. But is it realistic to expect they won't? Anyway, we are probably lost in all lines, so what the hell, we might as well try that, it at least gives them the possibility of going wrong... |
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| May-20-07 | | Zebra: I find it a bit difficult to believe that they won't find it (unless they are so obsessed with Rg1 that they don't consider other moves - but that is hardly their style so far). Nonetheless if Ne5 is also lost I'm prepared to go with the idea. |
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| May-20-07 | | Zebra: PS I am a bit tied up this evening at work, but will look in again at least to vote. |
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| May-20-07 | | Marco65:
<Zebra> <I find it a bit difficult to believe that they won't find it> They will find Qd4, but since they don't know if we are going to resign or try to resist in a lost endgame they might insist in looking for a more decisive win, and Rg1 might seem to give an irresistible attack. Actually I still have the feeling it must win and I miscalculated something! |
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| May-20-07 | | chessmoron: Let's hope for the best. Bh4!
<Marco65: 31...Ne5 32.Bxc6 Nxc6 33.Nxb4 Ba5 34.a3> 32.Nxb4  |
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| May-20-07 | | Zebra: I have been trying to find improvements for the Ne5 line, but haven't, and am unlikely to now. Have to go soon anyway. I go along with Bh4. |
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| May-20-07 | | Marco65: <chessmoron> 31...Ne5 32.Nxb4 Ba5 just transposes, doesn't it? It doesn't matter anyway. I also support your ...Bh4. It's "hope chess" now! |
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May-20-07
| | TheAlchemist: Ok, desperate times require desperate measures... or as you would say, Marco, a mali estremi, estremi rimedi, right? :-) Bh4 it is. |
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| May-21-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> <a mali estremi, estremi rimedi> You know Italian damned well! |
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| May-21-07 | | Marco65: Let's keep our fingers crossed for two days... |
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| May-21-07 | | WBP: <Let's keep our fingers crossed for two days...> I'm keeping mine crossed! Best, Bill |
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May-21-07
| | TheAlchemist: <Bill> Thanks, but don't blame us if they begin to hurt, two days is a long time, you know :-) |
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| May-21-07 | | Zebra: You might like to try the German equivalent of pressing your thumbs instead ;) |
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