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   Jun-07-15 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <zanzibar: Since I'm an adviser to editors, rather than an editor, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly editors can do.> I want to bring this post to your attention again: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #10966) It explains what editors can do and what not.
 
   May-31-15 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <chessgames.com> Maybe you overlooked this post Biographer Bistro (kibitz #11028) , since the Bistro has become rather fast-paced. An answer would be interesting to several people.
 
   May-29-15 WCC Editing Project chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Chessical> Thank you very much for your contribution(s)! We hope that you will support us in the future, also. For sure, you have helped us quite a lot already. The draft in question is already finished and was send away, though. It is still a valuable source and
 
   Apr-01-15 Moscow (1925) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Capablanca> on his experience at <Moscow 1925>: <"Although very philosophical, very observant and completely dispassionate in my judgment about everything concerning chess and its great exponents, I was nonetheless <<<unable to ...
 
   Mar-08-15 Tabanus chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: Ribli - Torre Candidates Quarterfinal (1983) Audiovisual aid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8G...
 
   Mar-08-15 Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Match (1929) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <beatgiant> In case you want to read further on this topic, I have prepared a sourced timeline that summarizes the <Alekhine-Capablanca> rematch negotiations from 26 Feb 1929 - March 1935: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1934 ARCHIVE
 
   Jan-29-15 suenteus po 147 chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <One Third of the original "Big Three"> I beg your pardon! I'm on vacation in Canada, and I just now saw your post in the WCC forum. By "we" I meant the cg.com biographers, not the WCC project. All of the research compiled for additions to your intro was done by ...
 
   Nov-23-14 R Fuchs vs Tal, 1969 (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <MC Scarlett> If so, very very quietly...
 
   Nov-19-14 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Thanks for the correction! That sum makes more sense now in conjunction with the report on the organizers' losses. Good heavens- they can't have made much on ticket sales.
 
   Nov-17-14 E Walther vs Tal, 1966
 
WCC Editing Project: Queen trap Trick or Treat- this game was played on Halloween, 1966.
 
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Oct-19-13  Karpova: <Jess> <OCF>

This looks best to me

<The match began on 9 Dec 1890 in the Manhattan Chess Club. Club vice president Colonel G. F. Betts opened the proceedings and introduced the players.19>

Oct-19-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

I will honor your decision with an audiovisual aid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZxH...

Oct-19-13  Karpova: Supplementary material for Game Collection: WCC: Karpov-Korchnoi 1978:

http://www.kingpinchess.net/2010/02...

http://www.kingpinchess.net/2013/09...

Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Colleagues>

I should put a cross table in the intro to this one eh?

FIDE World Championship Tournament (1948)

Oct-20-13
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  OhioChessFan: An appeal: Please capitalize Vice President. The lower case makes my eyes bleed every time I read it.
Oct-20-13
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  OhioChessFan: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Euwe 1935

<Alekhine held Capablanca, but not Euwe, to the $10,000 purse requirement guaranteed by the London rules of 1922>

This is too awkward. Even if more words need to be added, the sentence needs to be reworked.

Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>

I'll have another look at "vice president."

If my eyes bleed too, I'll offer support.

"president Obama."

*cough*

I used that example to give you the "double whammy" on the eyes bleeding factor.

On a more serious note, let's hear what <Karpova> has to say on this matter, as it is her collection.

I think it could well be capitalized because like the title "Doctor" it becomes capitalized when appended to an actual person? It has to be an official title though. I'm still wondering if vice President of a chess club is considered as important as Vice president of the Excited States.

We're not capitalizing "world chess champion" and that is certainly a title.

Anyways I'm not going to make a fuss if you and <Karpova> want to capitalize "Vice President" here.

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With respect to <Alekhine held Capablanca, but not Euwe, to the $10,000 purse requirement guaranteed by the London rules of 1922>, by all means I look forward to a re-working.

Feel free to add extra words or whatever you think you need to eliminate the awkwardness.

Let's get the sentence in good shape first and then worry about word counting afterwards.

Oct-20-13  Alien Math: <I think it could well be capitalized because like the title "Doctor" it becomes capitalized when appended to an actual person? It has to be an official title though. I'm still wondering if vice President of a chess club is considered as important as Vice president of the Excited States.>

Use of traditional classic non-capitalized searches with Google also Bing, Yahoo! Search, shows capitalization of title majors to not include lower tier additionals, the and of also the lower tier titles in class, <Vice-President and other auxiliary officers> <President of the United States> <Doctor of Philosophy>

Oct-20-13
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  OhioChessFan: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Euwe 1935

Suggested correction:

<During the <Alekhine-Bogoljubov World Championship Match> Alekhine accepted a title challenge from Max Euwe .<1> Jose Raul Capablanca regarded this agreement to be "unjustifiable," insisting that Alekhine first "play the promised return-match with himself."<2> But Alekhine held Capablanca to the $10,000 purse requirement guaranteed by the London rules of 1922. The champion felt justified to play Euwe for a lower purse (the amount should be specified in the narrative) because Euwe never signed the London rules. >

Minor change, but I think it reads much better. Were there any contemporaneous comments about Alekhine enjoying Capa's difficulty in finding funding? If so, a clarifying sentence like "Several observers felt Alekhine enjoyed Capablanca's difficulties in finding purse money after the London Rules were signed." Were there any contemporaneous statements about Capa thinking Alekhine wasn't a gentleman? If so, a sentence like "Capablanca considered Alekhine's explanation of why Euwe wasn't bound by the London Rules to be an outrage" would spice things up a little. (Neither of those sentences is very good, but it's 5 AM and you get my point)

Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio> That construction looks good as is.

I'm afraid no other contemporaneous opinions will be added, because prejudicial one way or the other.

To be as objective as possible, the opinions of the principals only will be considered.

It's a great construction though, I'm putting it in now, thank you.

As for (the amount should be specified in the narrative) , it is indeed specified in great detail in the following "conditions" section.

We don't have the luxury of enough space to be repeating information.

Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: Aha I should be more precise.

Yes there are plenty of quotes of Alekhine and Capa complaining about each other. But I'm not adding any more in on this topic than what's already there.

I just want the facts recorded, and if anyone wants to read the whole sorry story they can look in the notes and buy <Edward Winter's> fine book on Capablanca.

Or, we who have this book- I know that I, Karpova, and twinlark have it- we can put in "extra color comments" in the kibbutz section after the new intro becomes an official page.

It's actually a really sad story, because in the years when they first met, the two had nothing but admiration and affection for each other.

Sad, sad, story this one.

Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: On "Vice President" vs. "vice president" let's let <Karpova> choose.
Oct-20-13  Alien Math: Are very glad others here able to help provide how the capitalization could gain improvements, as it one her weak points in English, sorry if intrude.
Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Hanh> you are never intruding, your valuable posts and opinions are welcome here and everywhere else.

We can use all the help we can get with this project here especially.

Oct-20-13  Karpova: I agree with <OCF> and <Hanh> and prefer "Vice President" over "vice president".
Oct-20-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

I made it so: Game Collection: WCC: Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890

Oct-20-13  Thanh Phan: <Oct-20-13
Premium Chessgames Member WCC Editing Project: <Hanh> you are never intruding, your valuable posts and opinions are welcome here and everywhere else. We can use all the help we can get with this project here especially.>
Thank you, your words mean more than most, you help provide a structure for chess history
Oct-21-13  Karpova: C.N. 4163 is about 1883 match negotiations between Steinitz and Zukertort. Interesting is also C.N. 3750.

http://www.chesshistory.com/

Oct-21-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Excellent. I added those to Game Collection: WCC : Steinitz-Zukertort 1886, along with the feature article on "Steinitz Quotes"- http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/....

Also, I should have C.N. 3325 here in one of my Edward Winter books- it is referred to in C.N. 3750.

I will have a look for it after work today.

Oct-21-13  Karpova: <Jess>

C.N. 3324:

<It is indeed true that Steinitz and Zukertort’s contract (29 December 1885) stipulated:

‘The Score at Nine Games. Should the score stand at nine (9) games won to each of the players, then the match shall be declared drawn.’

Source: The Chess Monthly, January 1886, pages 136-137.

However, on page 118 of the May 1886 International Chess Magazine Steinitz reported that this provision had been amended before the final series of games began in New Orleans on 26 February 1886:

‘Two of the conditions of the match [one of them omitted here, being a minor matter concerning playing hours] were altered by mutual consent of the players, who had agreed, in the first place, to reduce the score, which rendered the match a draw, to eight all, instead of nine all, as previously stipulated. There can be no doubt that both the principals acted bona fide and chiefly in the interest of their backers in agreeing to such a modification of the original terms of the match, for their main reason in adopting the alteration was to exclude all element of chance as much as possible and to avoid risking the issues at stake on the result of two games. But, on consideration and in order not to establish a questionable precedent, we feel bound to say that the opinions of some critics, who, without in the least impugning the motives of the two principals, have expressed doubts on the legality of such proceeding, now appear to us reasonable. For it is justly contended that the two players had no right to alter any of the main conditions of the match without consulting their backers, who had deposited their stakes after the chief terms had apparently been finally settled…’>

From C.N. 3325

<The first sentence of the contract between the two players (The Chess Monthly, January 1886, pages 136-137) specified that the match was ‘for the Championship of the World’.>

Oct-22-13  Alien Math: Her page confuse? View double sentence <The match between Chigorin and Gunsberg took place in Havana in early 1890 and ended drawn.10 The match between Chigorin and Gunsberg took place in Havana in early 1890 and ended drawn.10 This result was enough to convince Gunsberg to challenge Steinitz to a title match.> Game Collection: WCC: Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890
Oct-23-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <Hanh> Excellent catch, thank you!

Fixed.

Oct-25-13  TheFocus: <Karpova: C.N. 4163 is about 1883 match negotiations between Steinitz and Zukertort. Interesting is also C.N. 3750. http://www.chesshistory.com/>

There is a longer article by Steinitz in his column in <Ashore and Afloat>. This column recently became available as a hardbound reprint, which I got from Karel Mokry.

I hope that I can finish typing it by Monday. At home I only have my phone to access the Internet and find it quicksand-slow compared to my work computer. Probably because the buttons are too small for my stubby caveman fingers.

Oct-25-13
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  WCC Editing Project: <TheFocus>

Thank you!

Oct-26-13  Karpova: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

"But why should he not play me on the same terms that he has granted to all other aspirants for his title?.".14

is the additional point in front of 14 necessary?

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