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   Jun-07-15 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <zanzibar: Since I'm an adviser to editors, rather than an editor, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly editors can do.> I want to bring this post to your attention again: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #10966) It explains what editors can do and what not.
 
   May-31-15 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <chessgames.com> Maybe you overlooked this post Biographer Bistro (kibitz #11028) , since the Bistro has become rather fast-paced. An answer would be interesting to several people.
 
   May-29-15 WCC Editing Project chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Chessical> Thank you very much for your contribution(s)! We hope that you will support us in the future, also. For sure, you have helped us quite a lot already. The draft in question is already finished and was send away, though. It is still a valuable source and
 
   Apr-01-15 Moscow (1925) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Capablanca> on his experience at <Moscow 1925>: <"Although very philosophical, very observant and completely dispassionate in my judgment about everything concerning chess and its great exponents, I was nonetheless <<<unable to ...
 
   Mar-08-15 Tabanus chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: Ribli - Torre Candidates Quarterfinal (1983) Audiovisual aid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8G...
 
   Mar-08-15 Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Match (1929) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <beatgiant> In case you want to read further on this topic, I have prepared a sourced timeline that summarizes the <Alekhine-Capablanca> rematch negotiations from 26 Feb 1929 - March 1935: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1934 ARCHIVE
 
   Jan-29-15 suenteus po 147 chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <One Third of the original "Big Three"> I beg your pardon! I'm on vacation in Canada, and I just now saw your post in the WCC forum. By "we" I meant the cg.com biographers, not the WCC project. All of the research compiled for additions to your intro was done by ...
 
   Nov-23-14 R Fuchs vs Tal, 1969 (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <MC Scarlett> If so, very very quietly...
 
   Nov-19-14 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Thanks for the correction! That sum makes more sense now in conjunction with the report on the organizers' losses. Good heavens- they can't have made much on ticket sales.
 
   Nov-17-14 E Walther vs Tal, 1966
 
WCC Editing Project: Queen trap Trick or Treat- this game was played on Halloween, 1966.
 
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Feb-07-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

I agree this is a most excellent addition: <He proposed an official body to administer the world championship>

I think <Tim> is right about his edit suggestion as well.

Feb-07-14  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

So then it's this:

<After the war, Capablanca considered himself, Lasker and Rubinstein to be the strongest players.25 Capablanca began negotiations with Lasker in January 1920,28 and published "My Chess Career" to convince the public of his right to a challenge.26 Yet Rubinstein still had a contract and felt left out. He proposed an official body to administer the world championship, and suggested a triangular tournament as a compromise to determine the champion. But Rubinstein had lost his basis of financial support in post-war Europe,27 and Capablanca was left as Lasker's chief rival. Capablanca declared that, should he win the title, he would accept a challenge from Rubinstein.25>

I think that this can be put in now, but the footnotes have then to be changed accordingly, as detailed here WCC Editing Project chessforum since footnote 28 is moved up.

Feb-07-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Sounds good. I'm going to wait on putting the text in with "moved notes" until I get to Canada, because I want to be very, very, alert when I do it.

Feb-07-14  Karpova: <Jess>

I don't think that too much could go wrong, you could insert this:

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After the war, Capablanca considered himself, Lasker and Rubinstein to be the strongest players.25 Capablanca began negotiations with Lasker in January 1920,26 and published "My Chess Career" to convince the public of his right to a challenge.27 Yet Rubinstein still had a contract and felt left out. He proposed an official body to administer the world championship, and suggested a triangular tournament as a compromise to determine the champion. But Rubinstein had lost his basis of financial support in post-war Europe,28 and Capablanca was left as Lasker's chief rival. Capablanca declared that, should he win the title, he would accept a challenge from Rubinstein.25

On January 23, 1920 Lasker and Capablanca agreed to a title match for 1921.26

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and change the sources section like this:

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26 "American Chess Bulletin", March 1920, pp. 45-46. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca", McFarland, 1989, p. 108-109

27 Edward Winter, "Capablanca", McFarland, 1989, p. 105

28 John Donaldson and Nikolay Minev, "The Life & Games of Akiva Rubinstein – Volume 1: Uncrowned King", 2nd edition, Milford, CT USA, 2006, pp. 370

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via copy&paste. Then we can check again if the sources are correct.

Feb-07-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Thanks for putting up that "copy/paste" section.

I followed your instructions here- (I hope):

Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

Feb-07-14  Karpova: <Jess>

This looks fine now! I checked the sources and it fits. If you want, you can also check the sources again, for us to make sure it is correct. Then it should be finished, as <Boomie> and you proposed earlier.

Feb-07-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Sounds good. I won't submit the draft until after I get to Canada.

Feb-07-14  Benzol: Game Collection: Bronstein at the Moscow - Budapest Match, 1949 might be of some help about this match.
Feb-08-14  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

Footnote one: 1 "Wiener Schachzeitung", August 1909, pp. 236-239. "ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek" http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a...

Perhaps an <In> in front of <"ANNO...>? (ANNO means AustriaN Newspapers Online)

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6 L Paredes (President of the Havana Chess Club) "Cronica de Ajedrez", May 1911, p. 12. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland, 1989), p. 33

Crónica

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2 J R Capablanca, "Munsey's Magazine", October 1916, pp. 94-96. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland, 1989), p. 2

I would suggest the full source the first time it is used instead of merely <Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland, 1989)>, i. e. <Edward G Winter, 'Capablanca: a compendium of games, notes, articles, correspondence, illustrations and other rare materials on the Cuban chess genius José Raúl Capablanca, 1888-1942' (McFarland 1989)>

Furthermore, sometimes <McFarland, 1989> is in brackets, sometimes it is not.

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For sake of consistency, the footnote belongs directly behind a comma also (e. g. <bla bla,1> instead of <bla bla, 1>) as in Steinitz-Gunsberg World Championship Match (1890).

This affects several sentences, so I will copy paste them here and mark the spot with <>:

was regarded as a chess prodigy<, 1> yet his father

the title of world champion<, 1> and reigning

a match with Capablanca<, 6> but Lasker declined.7

Lasker published the proposed conditions<, 11> which Capablanca said were unacceptable in a private letter to the champion.<12After> Lasker had published a commentary on the conditions in the press<, 13> Capablanca issued a statement to

against my professional honor<," 18> and when Shipley

Feb-08-14
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  offramp: Which World Chess Championship matches were played in whole or part in the home country of one of the protagonists?

Soviet states should be counted individually: Spassky v Petrosian, Moscow, Russia - this would count only because of Spassky. A theoretical Tal v Petrosian match in Moscow would not count.

Feb-08-14  Karpova: <offramp>

This forum is reserved for writing new WCC intros, not general discussion.

Feb-08-14
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  offramp: <Karpova: <offramp> This forum is reserved for writing new WCC intros, not general discussion.>

Sorry! I see it now at the top of the page!

Feb-09-14  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

<28 John Donaldson and Nikolay Minev, "The Life & Games of Akiva Rubinstein – Volume 1: Uncrowned King", 2nd edition, Milford, CT USA, 2006, pp. 370>

As this book was already used as footnote <22>, the title could be shortened here. Furthermore (this affects also footnote <22>), we should substitute <Milford, CT USA,> by <Russell Enterprises> as was done with Landsberger and McFarland in Steinitz-Gunsberg World Championship Match (1890)

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<For further reading:

How Capablanca Became World Champion Edward Winter (2004) http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Havana>

The <Havana> does not belong to the link and should be erased

Feb-15-14  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Euwe 1935

In C.N. 8538, Silman asks for information on Alekhine allegedly having been found drunk in a field during the 1935 match. Winter announces to turn all actual evidence into a feature article. So there is not much yet, but maybe in the future.

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

I've had a look at Kmoch's report on Ermelo again (January 1936 WSZ, p. 18), which is probably the candidate. Where Alekhine was found is left out (the decisive parts are <Es herrschte große Nervosität, denn Alekhine war nicht zu finden.> and <Schließlich wurde Aljechin gefunden. Er stand zweifellos unter dem Einfluß von Alkohol, was bei ihm keine Seltenheit ist.>). The whole scene plays in the lounge and it is only said that Alekhine couldn't be found, and, in the end, that he was found, not where. So it is possible that he was still somewhere in the hotel the whole time.

Feb-20-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Euwe 1935

Thank you! I have added your material to the "Note 12 Ermelo" section of the mirror.

I think your analysis sounds plausible. Maybe <Edward Winter> is not aware of some of the material you and <dak> gathered on Ermelo. Maybe you could write him a letter explaining your theory? I bet he would publish it if you wrote it.

Feb-20-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Steamed Oysters on the Half Shell>

A reminder-

**CURRENT DRAFT UNDER INSPECTION FOR PROMOTION: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

**DUE DATE- THE DAY I WILL SUBMIT THIS DRAFT TO <Daniel>: February 24th.

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: Oh dear. How did this sneak up on me?

<Even prior to his first European tournament, León Paredes suggested to Lasker that he play a match with Capablanca,<6> but Lasker declined.>

2 alternatives I'd prefer:

1. Dele "Even". I understand the "Even" conveys a sense of just how strong Capa was, but I don't like it.

or

2. Add "had" before "suggested".

Feb-20-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>

Excellent! We do indeed have only a few days left now. Luckily, I think the existing draft is in excellent shape.

On your new suggestions for Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921

####################

<1. Dele "Even".>

I think "Even" should be kept, unless you have a better suggestion than deleting it.

####################

<2. Add "had" before "suggested".>

I think that is a good idea.

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: <Lasker published the proposed conditions,<11> which Capablanca said were unacceptable in a private letter to the champion.>

The "in a private letter" clause is a bit misplaced. How about:

<Lasker published the proposed conditions, but Capablanca replied in a private letter that they were unacceptable.>

<The Cuban didn't want to become champion that way.<30> He managed to convince Lasker to play a match, although the champion insisted on being regarded as the challenger.>

How about

<The Cuban didn't want to become champion that way, so he managed to convince Lasker to play a match. Lasker agreed, although he insisted on being regarded as the challenger.>

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: We might even hype up the differing agendas by saying

<Lasker <publicly> published the proposed conditions, but Capablanca replied in a private letter that they were unacceptable.>

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: I know "publicly published" is a bit on the redundant side, but I like the juxtaposition of public and private and will sacrifice a bit of grammar for the emotional punch.
Feb-20-14
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  WCC Editing Project: <Ohio>

I like both of these suggestions:

<The "in a private letter" clause is a bit misplaced. How about:

<Lasker published the proposed conditions, but Capablanca replied in a private letter that they were unacceptable.>

<The Cuban didn't want to become champion that way.<30> He managed to convince Lasker to play a match, although the champion insisted on being regarded as the challenger.>

How about

<The Cuban didn't want to become champion that way, so he managed to convince Lasker to play a match. Lasker agreed, although he insisted on being regarded as the challenger.>>

##################

On "Publicly published" I get your point, but there's another unfortunate thing, which may be minor but it sounds irritating to me- the repetition in sound of of the phoneme "pub".

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: How about

<Lasker publicized the proposed conditions, but Capablanca replied in a private letter that they were unacceptable.>

Feb-20-14
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  OhioChessFan: Hmmmmmmm. No, it has to be "published". As for the pub crawl, I find the alliteration a bit poetic.
Feb-20-14
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  WCC Editing Project: heh... it is indeed.
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