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<Jer 20:10-13
Jeremiah said:
"I hear the whisperings of many:
'Terror on every side!
Denounce!
Let us denounce him!'
All those who were my friends are on the watch for any misstep of mine.
Perhaps he'll be trapped; then we can prevail, and take our vengeance on him.
But the LORD is with me, like a mighty champion: my persecutors will stumble, they will not triumph.
In their failure, they will be put to utter shame, to lasting, unforgettable confusion.
O LORD of hosts, you who test the just, who probe mind and heart, let me witness the vengeance you take on them, for to you, I have entrusted my cause.
Sing to the LORD,
praise the LORD,
for he has rescued the life of the poor
from the power of the wicked!">
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<1 Corinthians 13
13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.>
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<The Promise of the Lord's Coming
The Second Letter of Peter
Chapter 3
1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; in them I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you
2 that you should remember the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken through your apostles.
3 First of all you must understand this, that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and indulging their own lusts
4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!?
5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water,
6 through which the world of that time was deluged with water and perished.
7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless.
8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it will be disclosed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, what sort of persons ought you to be in leading lives of holiness and godliness,
12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set ablaze and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire?
13 But, in accordance with his promise, we wait for new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness is at home.
Final Exhortation and Doxology
14 Therefore, beloved, while you are waiting for these things, strive to be found by him at peace, without spot or blemish;
15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
17 You therefore beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.>
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<Psalm 23
The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.>

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chancho: I see nary a mention of Terrance Crawford defeating Canelo Alvarez on this page. First guy to win undisputed championships in three weight divisions. Henry Armstrong won three back in the 30's, but they were not undisputed. Manny Pacquiao won 8... but again, not undisputed. Crawford

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chancho: More, More, More. (Andrea True)

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chancho: He left the championship on his own terms. He has won everything in sight. No better way to exit the stage.

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chancho: All this Steely Dan talk... Here's a song from 1973: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-...

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chancho: Perf, just heard about this: <The White House has hit back against a reported plan by Amazon to detail the price impact of Donald Trump's trade tariffs to its customers, calling it a "hostile" political act.> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c... It's like, how dare Amazon

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Jan-08-09		kwid: OK, let me be a bit more productive. As for selecting or preparing an opening we should first take his side to see what we would do to confront the World Team. It may serve us well if we assume that he will get prepared for this encounter. He most likely will detect that we get our guidance mainly from Rybka. Therefor his main task is to study Rybka's responses in regards to our possible move selections. Knowing that our preparation will be to meet or deny him of his previously played ready available games. But for all of his games he most likely has already data of where he would deviate from it if confronted with. He also may prepare opening lines which may be beyond the 28 ply Rybka's horizon if they exist and if he can find them. It is our believe that we are superior to any individual in tactical positions which is also true for Engines versus Human encounters. But if his own perceptions of tactical positions is exceptionally excellent and is not pressured by time constraints why avoid it if it is his strength. Therefor do not be surprised if his choices include facing kings gambit for example as long as he has adequate theoretical sound book lines in his data base for it.

Jan-08-09		Dmaster995: <kwid: Dmaster995: I live and die by the pirc/KID. Do not forget that it will be us who have to refute it, we have white as I understand.> Well if we have white then it's a different ballgame. I'm all for 1. f4 which is my favourite and pet opening.

Jan-08-09		kwid: Jan-08-09 < Dmaster995: I'm all for 1. f4 which is my favourite and pet opening.> YOU would not get it voted in unless you have a line for 1. f4 d5 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 Bg7 4. Be2 c5 etc. If black replys with 1... e5 do you take it or play into e4 Kings gambit? Have fun.

Jan-08-09		sentriclecub: yeah we need to focus on creating our team's opening book. We should be able to list and prioritize the candidate moves stemming from each decision node.

Jan-09-09		kwid: Jan-08-09 <sentriclecub: yeah we need to focus on creating our team's opening book. > In my view top cc players prepare book lines well beyond move 30 or 60 ply deep. As in the Austrian or B09 for example: 1. d4 d6 2. e4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. e5 Ng4 8. e6 fxe6 9. Ng5 Bxb5 10. Nxe6 Bxd4 11. Nxb5 Qa5+ 12. Qd2 Qxd2+ (12... Bf2+ 13. Kd1 Ne3+ 14. Ke2 Qxb5+ 15. Kxf2 Ng4+ 16. Kg3 Na6 17. Re1 Nh6 18. b3 Nf5+ 19. Kf2 h5 20. Bb2 Rg8 21. Rad1 Kd7 22. c4 Qc6 23. Qa5 Rae8 24. Qb5 Kc8 25. Qxc6+ bxc6 26. g3 Nc7 27. Ng5 Kb7 28. Kg2 Kb6 29. Rd3 Rgf8 30. h3 a5 31. g4 Nd4 32. Bxd4 cxd4 33. Rxd4 Na6 34. Re6 Rg8 35. Re2 Nc5 36. Kg3) 13. Bxd2 Kd7 14. Nec7 Nc6 15. Nxa8 Rxa8 16. c3 Bg7 17. O-O e6 18. Rae1 a6 19. Na3 Rb8 20. Rf3 b5 21. Bc1 Nf6 22. Nb1 b4 23. Nd2 a5 24. Rh3 h5 25. Rd1 a4 26. Kf1 a3 27. bxa3 bxc3 28. Rxc3 Ng4 29. Rb3 Nxh2+ 30. Kg1 Ng4 31. Nf3 Rc8 32. Rb7+ Rc7 33. Rxc7+ Kxc7 34. Kf1 d5 35. Nh4 Ne7 36. a4 Bf6 37. g3 e5 38. fxe5 Nxe5 39. Bf4 g5 40. Bxe5+ Bxe5 41. Nf3 Bf6 42. a5 g4 43. Ne1 Bc3 44. a6 Kb6 45. Nd3 Kxa6 46. Nxc5+ Kb5 47. Nd7 d4 48. Kf2 Nf5 49. Rb1+ Kc4 50. Ne5+ Kc5 51. Rb8 1-0 In these lines there are many sub variations which must be memorized for OTB blitz games. Just imagine the hugh volumes of data accumulated by a long time cc player.

Jan-09-09		kutztown46: <chancho> If you have a few minutes, I would appreciate your input to a discussion which starts here: kutztown46 chessforum Thanks.

Jan-09-09		capafan: Some observations and questions: We should view the opening from the vantage point of what line we wish to play against rather than from the standpoint of which line we would prefer to play. Black, in many instances, can steer the line of play in response to certain opening moves... If we play Nf3, should he wish, he can steer the game towards a KI almost irrespective of what we play, e.g. 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4/c4/g3/b6 g6 [ 2. e4 e5 Petrov ] 3. c4/d4/d4/g6 Bg7 4. Nc3/Nc3/c4/Bg2 0-0 [ 4...d5 Grunfeld ] The above move choices for white are not meant to be exhaustive, however, they are the top played lines. Should we choose to deviate, we will have to be creative in the opening which is risky, but aggressive. Similar issues arise after 1. d4 or 1. c4, the only viable option would be to deviate into a Queen's Pawn Game - Torre Attack after 1. Nf3/d4 Nf6 2. d4/Nf3 g6 3. Bg5 as in Kasparov vs Leko, 1994 1. c4 in alternative cases than those described invariably leads into the English. The Queen's Pawn opening is more positional and less tactical, but after 3....Ne4 4. Bf4/Bh4 d5 white is left with trying to shoo away the knight without compromising his king side. I cannot but laugh at this discussion since in the GJT game the KI was much maligned and now we are considering avoiding it. However, we cannot avoid the fact that two very strong CC GM's use it as a formidable weapon in their black repertoire. My point in the above is that we are limited in dictating the opening line in a large number of cases. If we choose 1. e4, we have less ability since he can always opt for a Petrov after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 if we try to steer toward a favorable Sicilian banking on him replying 1...c5. Now back to my original point, what defense that he prefers are we more comfortable playing against?

Jan-09-09		dotsamoht: I suggested that we avoid 1. e4 (even though I love 1. e4 and play it every time) since the Pirc/Robatsch is UMAN's favorite opening, one he must be booked to the teeth in. My suggestion was immediately rebuffed by <DanLanglois>'s <Nah. 1. e4> comment. I think it was <kwid> who joined him in his advocacy of 1. e4. I guess if we do choose to play 1. e4, we will have lots of UMAN games to look at to find the best way to proceed. But I still feel like we will be playing to his tune. Certainly, he knows his Pirc/Robatsch more intimately than we ever will by just studying his games... 40 years versus 2 weeks of study... Since most chessplayers (hence most of our voters) prefer 1. e4, however, I guess we better prepare now for a Pirc/Robatsch battle. Perhaps we can find a sideline similar to 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 a6 from the GMAN game. To deviate early, I think we need a cadre of dedicated team members (40 or so ought to work) to agree to vote for the deviation to push it through. After the resulting backlash of recriminations, we should let the variation take us where it will.

Jan-09-09		imag: GM Umansky chooses his move order very carefully. 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 He waits with d6 and Nf6, avoiding all early Bg5 lines. 3.Nc3 d6 A) 4.Be3 a6 (Modern Defense, OE statistics better for Black!) B) 4.Nf3 Nf6 (classical Pirc) As you see, Umansky avoids all agressive White systems (for example the 150 attack: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 followed by 5.Qd2 or 5.f3 and almost forces White to choose the classical variation of the Pirc, that is: 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3 where Black soon plays e5 with a solid position. I'll try to find an interesting sideline but maybe this time we should follow a solid main line for a change...

Jan-09-09		Dmaster995: <kwid> 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Bg7 4. Be2 c5 5. d3 Nf6 6. o-o o-o 7. Nc3 gives white a tiny plus in my opinion. Against 1...e5 I take the pawn and now 2...d6 3. ed6 Bd6 4. Nf3. 4..g5 is met by 5. g3! (Larsen). /white is up a pawn for nothing.

Jan-09-09		kwid: Jan-09-09 <imag: GM Umansky chooses his move order very carefully. 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 > Why not give him an invitation with < 3.c4 > to transpose into KI proper. We would then have a lot of opening theory to work with. Is the Austrian Nc3/f4 attack yielding an advantage for white or has it been already worked out to a draw? Did you see my example line below? They are extremely sharp and thus should fit our style as long as there are not any known refutations. Do we have Rybka's book lines for it?

Jan-09-09		kwid: Jan-09-09 <Dmaster995: <kwid> gives white a tiny plus in my opinion.> You are quite an optimist! Did you ever use this opening against any Master player in otb or in CC competition at Master level? Here is what I may play in blitz games. 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Bg7 4. Be2 Nf6 5. Nc3 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. d3 Nc6 (7... d4 8. exd4 cxd4 9. Ne4 Nc6 10. c3 Nxe4 11. dxe4 dxc3) 8. e4 (8. Qe1 d4 9. Nd1 dxe3 10. Nxe3 Nd5 11. Nc4 Qc7 12. Qh4 b5) (8. Ne5 Qc7 9. Nxc6 Qxc6 10. Bf3 Be6 11. Qe2 Qd7 12. Bd2 Rac8) 8... d4 9. Nb1 (9. Na4 b6 10. e5 Nd5 11. c4 Ne3 12. Bxe3 dxe3 13. Nc3 Bb7) 9... Ng4 10. Na3 Rb8 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qc1 Qc7 13. e5 Qb6 14. h3 Nh6 15. Qe1 f6 0-1 Because we have zero chance to play this opening I suggest we cut this thread and get on with our preparations.

Jan-09-09		kwid: Jan-09-09 Here is a copy from my suggestion at the kutztown46 forum. Hy All, My expressed opinion about the forum system in the past seem to run counter to the wishes of our membership. Therefor I am reluctant to make any suggestions in this regard. But I would like to share my thoughts on how we could improve our opening preparation for the Umansky challenge and enlarge our membership by making use of our existing forums. Because we need very deep analysis to have a chance for winning, we could assign forums for the purpose to collect data ,condense it and analyse it. As I see it we need to research ECO B06 to B09 and thoroughly check the game data correctness which is used by our opening explorer. Such data could then be the guidance if he chooses to play Robatsch or the Pirc defence against us. It would also be very beneficial for every one interested in this opening theory. This method could be expanded to prepare for KI defences etc also. Such a forum system should attract many chess players world wide if advertised and should definitely draw attentention to all our members because of its potential value for obtaining high if not the best theoretical knowledge about a particular opening line.

Jan-09-09		Dmaster995: <kwid> My fritz 10 also agree that white gets a small plus. Also, in the lines that you said you play in blitz, you played them incorrectly. 'i agree that we have zero chance to play this here, but this is for you: 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Bg7 4. Be2 Nf6 5. Nc3 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. d3 Nc6 (7...Bhf5 8. Nh4) (7... d4 8. Ne4 Ne4 9. de4 de3 10. Qd8 Rd8 11. c3 b6 12. Be3 ) 8. e4 d4 9. Nb1 Ng4 10. Na3 (a4 and h3 are also possible I think) Rb8 11. h3 Ne3 12. Be3 de3 13. Nc4 b5 14. Ne3 Bb2 14. Rb1 Bb7 15. f5. I think white has an edge. (8. Qe1 d4 9. Nd1 dxe3 10. Nxe3 Nd5 11. Nc4 Qc7 12. Qh4 b5) (8. Ne5 Qc7 9. Nxc6 Qxc6 10. Bf3 Be6 11. Qe2 Qd7 12. Bd2 Rac8) 8... d4 9. Nb1

Jan-09-09		kwid: Jan-09-09 <Dmaster995: <kwid> My fritz 10 also agree that white gets a small plus>< you played them incorrectly.> Interesting indeed! After checking my lines I could not see an error. But the line from Fritz could be worked out to a mate announcement in about five minutes or so. 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Bg7 4. Be2 Nf6 5. Nc3 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. d3 Nc6 8. e4 d4 9. Nb1 Ng4 10. Na3 (10. a4 e5 11. fxe5 Be6 12. a5 Ne3 13. Bxe3 dxe3 14. Nc3 Nxe5 15. Qe1 Rc8) (10. h3 Ne3 11. Bxe3 dxe3 12. Nc3 Be6 13. Qc1 Nd4 14. Rb1 Qb6 15. Qxe3 Nxc2 16. Qd2 Nb4 17. Na4 Qa5 18. b3 Rac8) 10... Rb8 11. h3 Ne3 12. Bxe3 dxe3 13. Nc4 b5 14. Nxe3 Bxb2 15. Rb1 Bg7 16. f5 Qa5 17. Qe1 Qxe1 18. Rfxe1 Rd8 19. g4 b4 20. Nc4 Ba6 21. Ncd2 Bb5 22. Nb3 Ne5 23. Nfd2 Rbc8 24. g5 h6 25. h4 hxg5 26. hxg5 c4 27. dxc4 Nxc4 28. Nxc4 Bxc4 29. Bg4 Bb5 30. f6 Rc3 31. Be2 Bxe2 32. fxe7 Re8 33. Rxe2 Rxe7 34. Rd1 Be5 35. Kf2 Rec7 36. Rd5 Bg3+ 37. Kg2 Bf4 38. Nd4 Rg3+ 39. Kf2 Rxg5 40. e5 Kg7 0-1 May I ask what is your ELO rating?

Jan-09-09		Dmaster995: <kwid> my elo rating is around 1650 now.

Jan-09-09		Dmaster995: The lines I posted for you were worked out by me, I did not use my computer. The only line that is computer checked is the 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Bg7 4. Be2 c5 5. 0-0 Nf6 6. d3 0-0 7. Nc3 d4 8. Ne4 Ne4 9. de4 de3 10. Qd8 Rd8 11. c3 b6 12. Be3. Fritz 10 claims a slight plus for white in that position.

Jan-10-09		edda zeitz: <imag: M Plomp vs M Umansky, 2006> 1.e4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3 Nbd7 8.e5 Ne8 9.Re1 dxe5 10.dxe5 Nc7 11.Bf1 Ne6 12.Bc4 Deviations possible: <11.Bf4> Ne6 12.Bg3 Qb6 13.a3 Kamsky-Nogueiras 1993 <9.exd6> Nxd6 10.Bf4 Nb6 11.Be5 <7.Bf4> Nbd7 8.Qd2 b5 9.e5 dxe5 10.dxe5 Nh5 11.Bh6 Rogers <or 7.Re1> Nbd7 8. a4 or e5 <5.h3> 0-0 6.Be3 <4.Be3>

Jan-10-09		edda zeitz: Recently <Kamsky> played: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Sc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.h3 0-0 6.Be3 c6 7.a4 (against Tkachiev, 2007) or 7.Qd2 (against Mamedyarov, 2007) <Carlsen> tried several times <4.f4> without success. <Interesting observation>: Chessgames database stored 352 Robatsch/Pirc games in 2008, out of which only 3(!) were played between supergrandmasters (rating 2700+): Anand vs Ivanchuk (blindfold) Leko vs Kramnik (Blitz) Movsesian vs Swidler (Blitz)

Jan-10-09		edda zeitz: Let us play <The Chines Immortal>: game of the day Jan 10, 2009: Liu Wenzhe vs Donner, 1978: 1. e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be2 Bg7 <5.g4> That would be an early deviation as requested by many. Look at: http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_b...

Jan-10-09		kutztown46: I posted the following in my forum in response to <kwid>: <kwid> I am waiting a bit to respond to the postings of the last few days. However, your idea is time-sensitive and needs to be addressed right away. Let me see if I understand your suggestion. We have designated <chancho>'s forum for Umansky pre-game strategic and openings planning. Discussion is ongoing there, and you are part of it. However, you are suggesting that this forum needs to be split into several forums, with each individual forum covering a particular ECO variation. chessgames.com does have a kibitzing area for every variation, but I realize they would not suit our needs. Our discussions would be in the context of the upcoming GMMU game and would need to be shielded from GM view. Have I understood your idea correctly? If so, I agree it would be worth trying. You will still have the burden of convincing the team to follow any plans that you develop, but maybe this idea would help in that area by making the planning process more organized and efficient. Here are my suggestions to implement your idea: 1) Discuss your idea further at <chancho>'s forum. 2) You choose the first variation (B09 for example), open up your forum and initiate the discussion for this variation. You could discuss Umansky games in this variation as well as discuss current theory. Your forum header could contain links to relevant articles, etc. 3) After a few days, open additional forums. We will have to find premium members willing to host these forums. <sentriclecub> seems to be interested - perhaps he would host one of them. Perhaps other premium members taking part in the <chancho> forum discussions would help in this way also. 4) Use the <chancho> forum header to post links to all the individual variation forums that you establish. 5) When the Umansky main page opens (with a brand new sticky), we can post links to the variation forums there as well. How does this sound?

Jan-10-09		keypusher: Thanks for your New Year's wishes, Chancho! I am not on this site so much as before, so sorry for the late reply.

Jan-10-09		kwid: Jan-10-09 <edda zeitz:> <imag: M Plomp vs M Umansky, 2006> My preliminary view about B08 suggests that we need not deviate from the main line. What do you think about 8.Bf4? It may be justified to spend some efforts on this line to see if we could get a winning advantage with it. 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Be2 O-O 6. O-O c6 7. h3 Nbd7 8. Bf4 Qa5 (8... Qc7 9. a4 e5 10. dxe5 dxe5 11. Be3 a5 12. Qd2 Nh5 13. Rfd1 Nf4 14. Bc4 Nb6 15. Bf1 Be6 16. Bc5 f6 (16... Rfd8 17. Bd6 Qc8 18. Qe3 Nd7 19. Ne2) 17. Bxf8) (8... e5 9. dxe5 dxe5 10. Nxe5 Nxe4 11. Nxe4 Nxe5 12. Qxd8 Rxd8 13. Bg5 Rd4 14. Nf6+ Bxf6 15. Bxf6 Rf4 16. Bg5 Re4 17. Rfe1 Be6 18. b3 Nd7 19. Be3 a5 20. Bd3 Re5 21. f4 Rd5 22. Rad1) 9. Qd2 e5 10. Be3 Re8 11. dxe5 dxe5 12. Rfd1 b5 (12... Nc5 13. a3 Ne6 14. Bc4 Rd8 15. Qe2) 13. b4 Qxb4 14. a4 bxa4 15. Rxa4 Qb7 (15... Qb8 16. Rb1 Nb6 17. Ra5 Bf8 18. Qc1 Bd6 19. Qb2 Nh5 20. Qa1 Bb7 21. Na4 Qc7 22. Nc5 Bc8 23. Na6 Qe7 24. Bf1 Nf6 25. Nc5 Nfd7 26. Nxd7 Nxd7 27. Qc3) 16. Rda1 Nb6 17. Ra5 Nh5 18. Na4 Nxa4 19. R5xa4 Nf4 20. Bc4 Be6 21. Bxe6 Nxe6 22. Rxa7 Rxa7 23. Rxa7 Qb5 24. Ng5 Nxg5 25. Bxg5 Qc4 26. f3 Bf8 27. Rc7 Bc5+ 28. Kh2 Qe6 29. Bh6 Ra8 30. Qc3 Qd6 31. Rb7 Qd4 32. Qxd4 Bxd4 33. h4 f5 34. exf5 gxf5 35. Rg7+ Kh8 36. Rf7 f4 37. Kh3 c5 38. Re7 Kg8 39. Rg7+ Kh8 40. Rg5 e4 41. fxe4 Ra6 42. Rh5 Re6 43. Kg4 Rxe4 44. Rd5 Re8 45. Kf3 Kg8 46. Rf5 Ra8 47. Kxf4 ps, I just noticed the message for me re review of our forum usage. It has to wait until I am back from my dinner engagement which may last all evening.

Jan-10-09		OhioChessFan: I don't know how to implement it, but I think that there should be a concerted effort in the Opening to simply shut up. Maybe one day before our first move, and then for the next 10 moves, stop the chatter, stop the endless debates about e4 vs. d4, stop the posts about having never played this or that line, stop the posts about the weather, stop the suggestions of silly gambits we know won't be played, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. There will be a lot of voters in the first few moves who will not be especially sophisticated players. Many won't read anything. For those who do, I hate to think we are going to swamp them with pages of pointless kibitzing. There will be some necessary points to discuss, of course, but our transition from the pregame to the Opening in terms of legitimate kibitzing is really bad. Maybe the forum coordinator could play reveille and call the troops to order at a reasonable interval before our first move.

Jan-11-09		edda zeitz: <kwid: 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Be2 O-O 6. O-O c6 7. h3 Nbd7 8. Bf4> <8.Bf4> has been played in <Torre-Spraggett, 1990> with the sequence: 8. - Qa5 9.a4 e5 10.Bh2 and now Qb4 should equalise. Your line starting with 9.Qd2 etc seems to be an interesting improvement for White. Maybe it should be checked by a fast engine.

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