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Aug-13-17
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  saffuna: <<perf> everything I said about him was both true AND in response to his attacks.>

He has every right to delete them, and not give any reason. That's the rule.

As far as <tga> is considered: A coward, unless he stops posting about me where I can't respond.

Aug-13-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: I have never asked for the right to moderate my games page, nor do I intend to, despite the content referred to by <Doc W> and <saffuna> and my views on it.
Aug-13-17  Dr Winston OBoogie: That's because unlike some you're "tolerant", Perf. And respect to you for it but I wouldn't have my character assassinated by a racist simpleton like he attempted with you. You're the bigger and better person and I think the whole site would agree with me on that :)
Aug-13-17  zanzibar: The stuff on <perf>'s player page stands as testament to the idiocy certain, er, "elite" posters are capable of stooping to.

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Aug-13-17  zanzibar: <chessgames> I appreciate your post, and the time you took to read mine.

These issues aren't going away anytime soon, so there's no real rush. Still, the sooner a good framework is setup, the less work will be needed down the road.

Aug-14-17  morfishine: This game should be added as a Rubinstein "notable game" without doubt: Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1922

Its simply brilliant, and especially so since its against the player who boasted "As Black, I win because I'm Bogoljubov"

*****

Aug-14-17  zanzibar: <morfishine> put the game in one of your collections - and try to convince your friends to do the same.
Aug-15-17
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  chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.
Aug-15-17  Big Pawn: < chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.>

How's that work?

If x number of people save a game in their favorites collection, it achieves notable game status?

Aug-15-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: <Big Pawn> Yes.
Aug-15-17
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  chessgames.com: It just shows the 10 games that are found in the most collections. (People who put the same game in multiple collections are only counted once.)

Some newcomers assume these are games that were selected by some group of editors, but no, it's far more democratic.

The unwanted side-effect of this method is that our democracy is at mercy of the "bully pulpit." If I want to promote games as being notable all I have to do is run it as GOTDs or a puzzle. A good example is A E Post vs Nimzowitsch, 1905. It's actually an obscure game that's hard to find in literature, but because of the quirky endgame, we've been able to use it as GOTD and for stalemate puzzles on many occasions.

Aug-15-17
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  MissScarlett: <Lasker - Steinitz World Championship (1894), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Mar-24

Round 4 game, played in NYC. Fine and dandy, but there's no info about where the tournament was held. Someone might expect all the games were played in NY.>

Might this person not also assume that all games were played on March 24th? Let us credit our hypothetical visitor with a degree of intelligence.

What percentage of games in the DB, would you estimate were played in events that had multiple locations?

Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.

Aug-16-17  whiteshark: For some (keyboard layout?) reason it reads <"&‌iexcl;Akiba, Akiba!"> on Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1922 whereas on the cg.com hp it's a sight better: <¡Akiba, Akiba!>
Aug-16-17  tuttifrutty: <Big Pawn: < chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.>

How's that work?

If x number of people save a game in their favorites collection, it achieves notable game status? Aug-15-17
Premium Chessgames Member WannaBe: <Big Pawn> Yes.>

Watch it...but please don't point finger on me when all of a sudden all Wesley's games becomes GOTD...

Aug-16-17  morfishine: Thanks, I added the Ruby game to my collection, we'll see if others do too
Aug-16-17  zanzibar: <chessgames> a quick questions.

In my profile, there's this setting:

<( ) Use figurine notation (♔ ♖ ♘ etc.) where possible>

Notice that I don't want figurine notation, and yet, it is forced on me on game pages:

Nakamura vs Kasparov, 2017

I don't like figurine, for several reasons. One of which is simply the readability.

Another is the omission of information - like checks and capture notations.

Anyways- the question is this:

<Why, it my preference is for non-figurine notation, do I see it at all?>

Aug-16-17  zanzibar: <<Missy> Might this person not also assume that all games were played on March 24th? Let us credit our hypothetical visitor with a degree of intelligence.>

At present, it is hypothetical, though not the visitor's...

<What percentage of games in the DB, would you estimate were played in events that had multiple locations?>

You tell me. (But first tell me why it's a concern)

<Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.>

I prefer preferable - but this begs the essential question.

You have never elaborated why the GameSite/comment approach doesn't suit you, in either an operational or functional sense. I suppose it's strictly a matter of esthetics then?

Let's start with a simple, and very specific question - what software are you running at home, if any, my dear <Missy>?

Aug-17-17
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  chessgames.com: <zanzibar> <In my profile, there's this setting:

<( ) Use figurine notation (♔ ♖ ♘ etc.) where possible>>

Keen eye my friend. That feature hardly does a thing yet, but soon it will be implemented in all sorts of places.

<Notice that I don't want figurine notation, and yet, it is forced on me on game pages>

Yes, that's because pgn4web uses only figurine notation.

<I don't like figurine, for several reasons. One of which is simply the readability.>

I feel for you. Another valid reason is that cutting-and-pasting brings up difficulties. Some people just don't like that font. These are all good reasons to make it a preference option and not force it on people.

<Another is the omission of information - like checks and capture notations.>

That's a byproduct of pgn4web code—you can't hang that one on figurine notation.

<Anyways- the question is this: Why, it my preference is for non-figurine notation, do I see it at all?>

There are at least two major projects taking place behind the scenes right now at CG which should bear fruit in 3-6 weeks. One is the creation of a new viewer to provide an alternative to pgn4web. I am hoping it will be so hands-down better than pgn4web that it will become the default. It will respect your figurine setting, and it will also show checks and captures (whether or not you activate figurines.)

The other major project (which we've been leaking out in dribs and drabs) is our powerful dedicated Stockfish server. It's not just for stuffing the Opening Explorer with variations, it's also for analyzing entire games (see Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 [eval] for a taste.)

So in short, the option is available now even though it does very little, but in the future it will become more important, and might even become the default setting if the site becomes more international. I know we have a lot of Spanish, Russian, Indian (etc.) members who are clever enough to be multilingual when it comes to chess notation—but to provide them with figurines would be a nice feature for them. And of course, some English speakers prefer algebraic figurine notation as well.

Stay tuned! The new changes are going to be great.

Aug-17-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <Miss S>

You asked <z> this:

<Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.>

His answer was sensible but perhaps not very clear. Not to put words in his mouth, but I've discussed it with him enough that I think I can give an answer that cuts to the chase.

If you invent a new tag, current software will either ignore it entirely or display it as a side-effect with no real change in the software's behavior. That's how it goes with adding non-standard tags.

Therefore, if we use the standard <Site> tag to represent ALL of the cities that an event takes place in, and then use an invented tag to store the SPECIFIC city that particular game took place in, software like SCID will have an easy time grouping the games from that tournament. It will see the same <Event> names, the same <Sites>, the same (or close) years, and therefore know to group them. Meanwhile our invented nonstandard <GameSite> tag will contain important information but it will be either ignored or displayed in some fashion depending on the software you employ.

However, if we use the <Site> tag to represent only the city that the specific game took place, and an invented <EventSite> tag to store all of the cities, SCID (and other databases) will ignore our invented tag and be confounded when trying to group the games into a tournament automatically.

As I said before I don't want to rekindle this argument now, but that's what (I believe) it really comes down to.

Aug-17-17  zanzibar: Right, <chessgames>, some figurine notation does, at least, use the capture notation:

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/up...

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Aug-18-17
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  casaschi: <zanzibar> few comments about figurine notations and the chessgames.com implementation of pgn4web: - chessgames.com only allows for figurine notation but pgn4web would easily allow for plain text if enabled - figurine notation does NOT break cut&paste... try selecting the game text, copy then paste in a text editor... you should get a proper pgn text - omission of checks and captures are a pgn design choice... around the principle of "less is more" any chessplayer should realize when a king is in check or when a capture is made without unnecessary notation (incidentally, for those of us a bit older, this is the same approach of the chess informant publications that inspired some of the pgn4web design choices)
Aug-18-17
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  Richard Taylor: <chessgames.com> I submitted some recent and one old game. Did they go through?

(I realise the tournament in St Louis is full on so you are probably busy. Re that it is fascinating to watch.)

Aug-18-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: I pushed them through for you Richard, check again.
Aug-18-17  zanzibar: < <casachi> figurine notation does NOT break cut&paste...>

Yes, I used this feature, it's appreciated (though I often click on c8 to get/see the pgn).

As far as captures and checks - we might differ on that - given my preferences. I can also argue that it sometimes serves as a useful place-marker when glancing at the movelist.

BTW - If you like terseness, than pawn captures can be further abbreviated!

(I will note that pgn4web does notate checkmates while omitting checks, for some reason)

PS- I'm pretty happy with pgn4web - just wish it offered English(*) algebraic.

(*) or German, Spanish, French, Russian, etc...

Aug-19-17
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  Richard Taylor: <chessgames.com: I pushed them through for you Richard, check again.>

Thanks. I was fond of the game I played beating Neil Cruden with Fischer's trap as White in the Accelerated Dragon as it was slightly different and shows how these traps or indeed how reading about GMs (I had been reading Levy's book about Fischer). So it was almost all I knew about how to play against the Accelerated. Then I was showing people that trap and how I learnt it. The IM Van Riemsdijk (who met Fischer when they were both younger) was talking to me about F. and so on. Then the next day before our game it was announced that Fischer had died.

But it hasn't appeared.

Also there is a game of Neil, who as a schoolboy did well in the National Juniors here, where he beat me, on there (and it was a fair cop)... but I wanted this "revenge game" also!

I know it is very similar but I think that is the point if you know what I mean...or is that what I don't mean?

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