<zanzibar> <Maybe the So page could be forked into a player sanctioned version and an open version for the hoi polloi?> I believe that already happened on the page for Edmund Beronio.

I haven't pored over the list with a magnifying glass, but it appears to include all of So's tournaments, not just the successes.

No, it doesn't <SEEM> that way, it <IS> that way. And he is not involved with the managing of his web page in any way. I have the documentation to prove it if you're interested. But it doesn't matter one way or the other since you've indicated that it's his account and he can manage it as he pleases, even though it seems to contradict your statement at the bottom of this post: chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #27184). But maybe you've changed your mind, which is certainly your prerogative.

Given that an ever increasing number of posters are being banned from the current Wesley So web page for a variety of reasons and given that a separate page has been forked for Edmund Beronio, what's involved in forking the Wesley So page so that others that do not feel as, shall we say, "enthusiastic" about him have a forum to discuss his activities in a more balanced way? Subject to the usual <chessgames.com> posting guidelines, of course.

One potential use, other than forks of player pages, would be for pre-TI tournament discussion/research pages.

I do have to say that allowing player's to outright ban <CG> users from player pages, rather than just scrubbing individual offending posts, just strikes me as wrong in principle.

Player pages should not be the same as individual forums, imo.

My general stance on individual forums is to avoid them like the plague, after having experienced a couple of reasonable posts deleted at the whim of owners.

(Agreed, it's the owner's right, but having been twice-bitten, I've learned my lesson)

Very well. It's your site and as long as I participate in it I will certainly abide by your wishes. But I would prefer to keep any specific discussions about Wesley So separate from the other discussions on my forum. So my next question is, since you don't strictly forbid members from having more than one account if there is a good reason to so (I'll let you decide if this is a good reason), would it be possible to create another user account, and then pay for a Premium Membership for that account so that I could activate the forum for others to post?

Sort of like the choice between losing your queen or getting mated.

I understand the players' point of view. They don't want to come and see a page of you-tube style insults. That's what drove Susan Polgar off the site.

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So we still hold the reins.

Nakamura vs Carlsen, 2018 (0-1)

Good, that's the way it should be. You have always acted responsibly in the past and others that have similar "reins" available should emulate your example.

However, along with having the power that comes with holding the reins comes the responsibility to use the reins when necessary, such as when stopping a runaway horse or not allowing others to "terminate the on-topic-discussion entirely, nor to prevent normal discussion."

Sometimes you just have to make the hard choices between (A), (B), or others. After all, you DO have mechanisms in place to be notified of violations of your posting guidelines and you have the "reins" to correct them. And if a first class player cannot take any kind of criticism whatsoever, even if it is non-confrontational, constructive in nature, and meant to be of help, then maybe they simply don't belong on this site. Perhaps a greater emphasis on whistle-blowing an a higher priority on investigation and resolution of posting guideline violations when directed to posts appearing on player pages might help.