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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Benzol>
<regarding Mikhail Tal Joe Gallagher's book 'The Magic Of Mikhail Tal' has on page 204 the following "Shortly afterwards, on 28 June 1992, Mikhail Tal died in a Moscow hospital. All his organs had stopped functioning". ...I'm not saying that the 27th of June 1992 isn't the correct date but I was wondering where the information in the correction slip comes from?> Thanks for your excellent research.
About "where the information comes from", it was an anonymous correction slip that offered no sources. My guess is that it came from one specific lunatic who has been harassing us for years. His obsessions are numerous, and among them are researching the dates that various grandmasters passed away. We banned him from posting years ago but we still receive emails from him by the score, accusing Chessgames of stealing all of his ideas, accusing us of being anti-Semites, claiming to be the world correspondence chess champion, and other grand delusions. I use the word "lunatic" here not as an insult but with great sympathy. Sometimes trolls will pretend to be crazy in order to disrupt the discussion, but this individual is not putting on an act. He is genuinely in need of psychiatric care. It's also possible the slip might have come from some misinformed chess fan who wanted to be helpful. Either way, the database is correct now, so thanks for your help. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | Annie K.: Heh. Glad to hear he is still alive and well. ;) |
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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Stonehenge> That's an Opening Explorer issue of a totally different nature. Somehow a game got into the database with nonstandard notation, as witnessed by moves like "de5" and "cd3". That lazy kind of notation is fine for hand-written notes while you play a real game, but for purposes of data storage, I Hatem! Problems like this don't self-correct themselves. I'll fix this one by hand and make a note for an admin to check the games around it (numerically). Hopefully there aren't too many like your example. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | Stonehenge: OK, thanks. I've uploaded some games today; one of them contains (probably) a small mistake. I sent you an email about it-I didn't expect you to be online on Sunday :)
Keep up the good work :) |
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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Annie K.: Heh. Glad to hear he is still alive and well.> :) The old timers around here know exactly who I'm talking about. We can leave his screen-name out of the discussion. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | Annie K.: Agreed! :)
On another subject, I was just wondering - have you considered publishing the voters list for each move in the Challenge games (say, under the vote numbers, in very small font...)? It would certainly add some interesting transparency to the voting process. Would that be more a good idea or more a bad idea? |
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| Oct-17-10 | | Benzol: <I use the word "lunatic" here not as an insult but with great sympathy. Sometimes trolls will pretend to be crazy in order to disrupt the discussion, but this individual is not putting on an act. He is genuinely in need of psychiatric care.> That is really very sad.
< The old timers around here know exactly who I'm talking about.> Actually several names spring to mind but I won't ask you to elaborate. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | Annie K.: * I mean, publishing along with the final vote counts, not with the minute-by-minute stats while the vote is still open. There's obviously much to be said against revealing who is around just now and may be bullied to change their vote if some "loud" faction doesn't like it. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Stonehenge> That one error you showed us caused us to investigate the block of games which was the problem. It's quite a discovery. Here is the guilty culprit: It (open) St. Petersburg 300 (2003)
Our guess is that back in 2003 the official site was producing nonstandard PGN and we were inserting the data without much examination. Back then we were not particularly on the guard for that sort of thing. The games include Vitiugov, Miroshnichenko, Najer, Areshchenko, Riazantsev, Lastin, and other big names. We'd really hate to delete 479 game over a technical squabble, but I don't see much alternative. It's critically import to us that our PGN is in exactly one standard style. Right now, we're going over these games and salvaging the ones that are in game collections or have kibitzing and deleting the rest. I'm not sure how many have been discussed but it's not a terribly large number. Sometime later we can see if TWIC or some other source has a clean version of the same tournament. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Annie K.> <On another subject, I was just wondering - have you considered publishing the voters list for each move in the Challenge games (say, under the vote numbers, in very small font...)?> I suppose we considered it, but we have always felt strongly that such information should be treated confidentially. If you've been reading recent chess news you'd see that Kasparov recently said that Karpov would be the FIDE president today if member nations were allowed to cast their votes in secret. Kasparov has the discretion to not come right out and say it, but in my opinion he was clearly implying that Ilyumzhinov used bribery and/or coercion to ensure his reelection. Once you put a little curtain on the voting booth, such concerns go away. Now I don't think there is any bribery or bullying going on in the Chessgames Challenge, but the principle still applies. To lose your confidentially means that you may not vote for what you think is best, because of fear that you'll be later held accountable for your decision. Perhaps somebody wants to vote for an inferior move "just to keep the debate on the table", but under your system they may be shamed into voting for the crowd favorite. There are voting systems that take place transparently, such as in the UK Parliament or the USA Congress, so your idea is not entirely without merit. But even if we were convinced to go in that direction, we would never implement the change in the middle of an ongoing challenge. |
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| Oct-17-10 | | nescio: <chessgames.com: It (open) St. Petersburg 300 (2003)> The following page may help:
http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... |
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Oct-17-10
 | | chessgames.com: Thanks nescio. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | Annie K.: <But even if we were convinced to go in that direction, we would never implement the change in the middle of an ongoing challenge.> Absolutely, no argument there.
I'm not sure I'm actually advocating an open system like that myself - just thinking about it. It <would> have benefits, as well as the drawbacks you mention. I think it may actually lead to <more> responsible voting, although a side effect of that could be a significant drop in vote count, as more people will refrain from voting if/when they are not sure of the best move - but would that be a bad thing? That's not a rhetorical question, btw, I'm really not sure. :) Those who vote for "minority candidates" to keep them on the table, generally vote early on, and many of them will return later to throw their support behind one of the candidates with realistic chances once it's clear that their early choice didn't take off - so a voter list that shows only the final votes wouldn't be an issue to them. However, there's no doubt that the open system can introduce extra pressures, which could range in negativity between flame wars and "persecutions" to "merely" making the game less fun for many participants, so your wariness about that is more than understandable. Still, in may be an experiment worth trying sometime, just as you have tried both the open and closed systems on "live" voting numbers. |
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| Oct-18-10 | | crawfb5: The links in the bio of Max Judd for <Jackson W Showalter> are dead <Unknown player 'jackson w showalter'>. They should be changed to Jackson Whipps Showalter or redirect to there. As <Jackson W Showalter> is an obsolete player id, links using it may still reside elsewhere in the system. |
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Oct-18-10
 | | Stonehenge: <crawfb5> Done :) |
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Oct-18-10
 | | Stonehenge: <CG> Can you please merge Ludmila Zsiltzova-Lisenko and Lubov Zsiltzova-Lisenko. FIDE gives her first name as Lubov. I checked some games with another DB and it's the same player. |
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Oct-18-10
 | | Stonehenge: Same goes for Trajce Nedev and Trajko Nedev. FIDE gives Trajko as his first name. Probably something to do with nicknames. They're very fond of that in Eastern Europe. Alexander = Sasha etc. |
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Oct-18-10
 | | Annie K.: Yeah, those weird East Europeans. Americans, like Robert Fischer for example, would never do something like that! ;) |
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Oct-18-10
 | | tpstar: <one specific lunatic> He's still upset that you never acknowledged his original idea of using the Internet for communication. =) He is probably getting care as we speak. I always suspected he was institutionalized; when he was good, he got an hour of computer time to swamp us with posts, and when he was bad, the nurse took him back to his cell. Surprised to learn he was banned, although he still shows up every once in a while. Very easy to spot. :-) |
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| Oct-18-10 | | rapidcitychess: <chessgames.com>
Oof, it hurts my head already.:)
Thanks. |
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Oct-18-10
 | | Annie K.: <rapidcitychess> next time just ask them to <fix> it. ;p <cg.com> yet another Challenge-related suggestion - just a little one this time... ;) The top menu page offers a "Challenge" line, however that link takes me to the Chessgames Challenge "history" page, not the current game. OK, that's just one click from there, but that's still one extra pageload every time I'd use it, so I don't - I've made myself a customized link with the same title, that goes directly to the current game. So I thought I'd suggest that it might be more efficient for you to do the same thing with the "integral" Challenge line of the top menu; and maybe place a link to the "history" page from the current game page, in case somebody wants to visit it, rather than vice versa. This *would* require the link to be updated each time a new Challenge game starts, but that's not all that often. :) |
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| Oct-18-10 | | crawfb5: <Stonehenge> Thanks! I don't suppose you'd want to take over PGN submissions and correction slips in general, would you? :-) |
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Oct-19-10
 | | Stonehenge: <crawfb5> No thanks :) <CG> In the Pun Voting Booth I came across this game: Adams vs Topalov, 2006. But it has already been GOTD. I think games that have already been GOTD shouldn't be in the PVB. |
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| Oct-19-10 | | LIFE Master AJ: I just went to the "Chess Bookie" page. There are NO bets for Pogo's move in the CG Challenge. (vs. WGM N. Pogonina) Is this an oversight? Has this feature been discontinued? What's the deal? |
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| Oct-19-10 | | hms123: <chessgames.com> I think the number of extensions needs to be updated (from 3 to 2) in the CG Challenge with WGM Pogonina. Also, could you post at the game page after you hear from her officially confirming that she is taking an extension? thanks--hms |
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