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Dec-01-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Standardizing the tournament names to make these links possible would be an enormous clean-up task.> Yes, that pretty much sums it up. We don't see much hope for a software solution that can somehow interpret the event tags reliably--it will take manual research and data entry. However there is nothing preventing us from tackling the problem one tournament at a time, and in fact we've already done that with our History of the World Chess Championship feature. What better place to start than World Championship events? That was the first time that non-modern tournaments were normalized, and we even enabled kibitzing for them. Now if we wanted to organize the countless other chess events in the database, it would take similar efforts. We would probably enable some sort of system akin to the volunteer biographer function, so that motivated users could help normalize historical tournaments. Until that day, a good workaround is to check out Game Collection Search. If you are looking for (say) Olympiad games of a certain year, the search engine there might be able to find a collection based on the event. Also for those who don't know, our New Games Page is an enormous index into the modern tournaments, but it has nothing prior to 2002 (it's only as old as Chessgames itself). |
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Dec-01-10
 | | kingscrusher: chessgames.com: The World championship events are a fantastic start. But the Interzonals are the precursors. So for example Moscow 1982 is Kasparov's entry ticket to play Karpov in 1984. It would be good perhaps to start with the official World champions - and show their Interzonal tournaments on their homepage if at all possible in the future. I appreciate it would be a massive undertaking. |
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| Dec-01-10 | | crawfb5: <Now if we wanted to organize the countless other chess events in the database, it would take similar efforts. We would probably enable some sort of system akin to the volunteer biographer function, so that motivated users could help normalize historical tournaments. Until that day, a good workaround is to check out Game Collection Search. If you are looking for (say) Olympiad games of a certain year, the search engine there might be able to find a collection based on the event.> The volunteer system is the only way to go. Owners of game collections are often in a good position to normalize the event tags because of prior research they've already done. I'd be willing to tidy up my own little corner of the store, as I've usually done research on rounds, dates, and submitted missing games in the process of creating the game collection. |
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Dec-02-10
 | | al wazir: Please fix the puzzle. (You have tried to load a game that isn't in the database.) |
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| Dec-02-10 | | Benzol: <chessgames> <However there is nothing preventing us from tackling the problem one tournament at a time...> <crawfb5> <Owners of game collections are often in a good position to normalize the event tags because of prior research they've already done.> Chessgames didn't you mention earlier somewhere that you were going to do just that with famous tournaments just as you did with the World Championship using the tournament game collections as a starting point? |
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Dec-02-10
 | | Stonehenge: This DB is really a big mess. Take this for instance: Perena C Therine = Catherine Perena It would help if some trusted volunteers get the power to merge files etc. I don't know if that's technically possible. |
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Dec-02-10
| | kingscrusher: I would just like to give a brief background of why this came up with respect to Kasparov and the 1982 Interzonal. I played a couple of KID (Kings Indian defence) games over the weekend, and one of them was in the interesting four pawns attack variation where White plays the unusual dxe6. Amazingly it seemed to me, John Pigott who is about 220 ECF mentioned there had been a Kasparov game in this line - and he was right - the game against Christiansen in the Moscow 1982 Interzonal. This actualy made me feel bad, I hadn't covered this Interzonal tournament on my own Kasparov videos page: http://www.chessworld.net/chessclub... From my perspective as a KID enthusiast, between Kasparov and Fischer there are various "answers" available to systems which White could play against the Kings Indian defence. And so, that is why I am keen now to study some of the other Kasparov tournaments such as his Interzonals as a way of also studying the Kings Indian defence. |
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Dec-02-10
| | kingscrusher: But I can get the two Kasparov games in this line using the excellent facility for checking Kasparov with the black pieces: Repertoire Explorer: Garry Kasparov (black) So maybe this isn't such a big deal. There are ways of researching Kasparov's approach in the Kings Indian systems already available at Chessgames.com which is great. |
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| Dec-03-10 | | Ezzy: <chessgames.com: ....as long as the GM in question is not a participant of the ChessBookie game (and none, to date, have been),> Golden Executive: A tweet from Pogonina´s web site:
<Just noticed that ChessBookie at ChessGames accepts bets on my next move vs the World. Wonder if I can make a bet :D 7 hours ago reply> So Natalia can see what the members preferred move for her is. She obviously isn't going to participate, but it still isn't a good idea to have these moves in plain view of our opponent. Dear oh dear, the controversy goes on. |
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Dec-03-10
| | Stonehenge: Funny, when I type From at the homepage I get <sorry, no games>. But there is this Martin Severin From in the DB. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: Chessgames.com - I checked out the collections and someone has done Moscow 1982 Interzonal: Game Collection: Moscow Interzonal 1982 If possible I wonder if maybe this collections feature could be further enhanced to let people construct clickable and nicely aligned crosstables - so those 0 1 and 1/2 are aligned and clickable to the game numbers. Maybe this would be the most simple solution - solving through collections. I would love also a clickable crosstable to easily check the Kasparov games. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: Given that the collections are very powerful and "Moscow 1982" finds relevant collecitons, what if the "Moscow 1982" of the Kasparov game and other games where there is a tournament name, linked to a query string search for possibly related collections. So on the Kasparov game , "Moscow 1982" was actually hyperlinked to this dynamic collections search: Game Collection Search |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: Also to filter out less relevant collections, if as part of the query string to the dynamic collection search, it also had the gamenumber in question: so:
chesscollection?cid=1014984
and:
gameid= xyz
Then that could help filter out the more relevant collections which might be relevant to the game in question. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: Sorry I meant:
collections?search=Moscow+1982
would also be qualified like:
collections?search=Moscow+1982&gamenumber=120000-
So the member collections with "Moscow 1982" and which had the game number of 120000 (say), would be listed, when someone clicked on the "Moscow 1982" link from the Kasparov game. |
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| Dec-03-10 | | nescio: <kingscrusher> I don't understand all this. If you have one game of a tournament you have them all. Just click on the direct link to the games collection which every game has at the bottom. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: nescio:
To summarise briefly the proposal: When you go into a game such as: Christiansen vs Kasparov, 1982 It would be an improvement in my view if "Moscow 1982" was actually a hyperlink to dynamically search the game collections which have "Moscow 1982" but which also have the game number in question. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: On the game it has:
"Larry Christiansen vs Garry Kasparov
"The Kid is Good!" (game of the day Dec-12-07)
Moscow 1982 · King's Indian Defense: Four Pawns Attack. Dynamic Attack (E76) · 0-1 " The "Moscow 1982" bit - to be a hyperlink |
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| Dec-03-10 | | nescio: <kingscrusher> Yes, that I understood, but the hyperlink to the games collection is already there, although it may not be where you want it. Your proposal is a very, very minor improvement and I don't understand why you go on and on about it. |
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Dec-03-10
| | kingscrusher: nescio: I think it would encourage more finding of related games, if it was a more convenient hyperlink - convenience creates more activity and interest, rather than having to go somewhere else. |
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Dec-03-10
| | Stonehenge: <CG> Thanks for uploading a bunch of games. I made a small mistake here:
B Tondivar vs J Van der Wal, 1993.
This game was played in 1994. Sorry about that. |
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Dec-04-10
 | | Domdaniel: <CG> The electronic ballot machine had a mysterious breakdown some time around 06:00 EDT. Valid moves get an error message. Moves which had previously accrued legitimate votes have now become impossible to vote for. Can you fix this please? And maybe explain how it can happen? Thanks. |
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| Dec-04-10 | | WinKing: You've got a case of 'gremlins' going on at the Chessgames Challenge vote board. You might want to send Stan the handy-man over to take a look. |
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Dec-04-10
| | Domdaniel: Yo, gremlins! Bugs!
Possibly a result of manually correcting the last Black move which apparently arrived in the form of nonstandard notation. Kludges beget bugs. |
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Dec-04-10
| | chessgames.com: We're investigated and identified the cause of the voting problem, it can be attributed to human error. Our sincere apologies for the butterfingers. We were very fortunate in that it was a nearly forced move. |
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| Dec-05-10 | | Xenon Oxide: <Ezzy: <chessgames.com: ....as long as the GM in question is not a participant of the ChessBookie game (and none, to date, have been),> Golden Executive: A tweet from Pogonina´s web site:
<Just noticed that ChessBookie at ChessGames accepts bets on my next move vs the World. Wonder if I can make a bet :D 7 hours ago reply> So Natalia can see what the members preferred move for her is. She obviously isn't going to participate, but it still isn't a good idea to have these moves in plain view of our opponent. Dear oh dear, the controversy goes on.>
Chessgames.com, have you looked into this matter yet? |
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