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| Mar-08-11 | | BobCrisp: All DB games purporting to be from the tournament <Krakow, 1938> are fake. I don't know when or by whom this hoax originated but the games appeared as far back as <Megabase 99> and <Fatbase99>. The future <Pope John Paul II> (Karol Wojtyla) was there in neither body nor spirit. Compare Biedermann vs T Kapfer, 1938 with Alekhine vs G Goossens, 1933 Or Biedermann vs J Gadalinski, 1938 and Janowski vs Capablanca, 1918. Etc. etc.... |
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| Mar-08-11 | | Benzol: It looks as though User: www.CharlieChess.com is repeating the same post over a number of different threads. It's like he's a record player stuck in the same groove. |
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Mar-08-11
 | | tpstar: <CharlieChess> 58 so far - we'll see if he breaks the record. =) |
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Mar-08-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I wonder why <Charlie> registered back in November, but waited until today to make his "first 58 identical posts." Do you think he will wait another three months and then do it again with 58 <new> identical posts? |
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| Mar-08-11 | | ughaibu: I would like, at least, a clear statement about these: 1) why the special toleration for this member contravening the rules 2) why the database includes braindead level woodpushing from, particularly, this member? |
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Mar-08-11
 | | chessgames.com: We won't be hearing from CharlieChess anytime soon. On a more interesting note is Krakow (1938). Our admins are already familiar with it since these games always seem to find themselves in the crosshairs of controversy. Previous corrections caused us to label a few of the games as "possible compositions", here: Krakow (possibly composition) (1938). Unfortunately that small gesture only addressed the tip of an iceberg. One user pointed out the fine article here http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/v... which concludes that Wanda Zartobliwy is purest fiction, or at best a pseudonym. About whether the Pope actually played chess, there is an amazing letter from the Holy Father himself, in both Polish and Latin, confirming that this is but a hoax. The final state of affairs of Krakow (1938) is still quite muddled. It's easy to imagine somebody making a few games and attributing them to a famous person--it's happened many times before--but here we have an entire tournament with famous players such as Max Bluemich. Even the most dedicated hoaxer is not going to invent an entire tournament just to give his compositions a plausible backdrop. Ignoring historical circumstances, examination of the chess itself from Krakow (1938) would indicate that everything is perfectly normal, right down to the opening selections matching up with what was fashionable in that decade. What we're getting at is, could it be that the games are real but misattributed in year and locale? Could it just be that a old tournament from Krakow was sprinkled with famous names and then, as a final stroke of absurdity, exalted to papal status? As things stand, we are leaning towards keeping a few of the "Pope Hoax Games", labelled correctly as compositions, and then deleting the bulk of Krakow (1938). (Some of those games are in people's "favorite game" collections, and a few have kibitzing, so those will have to be handled with kid gloves.) However we want to look into the details of the games we are deleting first, as it would be tragic to delete valid data in our enthusiasm. |
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Mar-08-11
| | chessgames.com: <ughaibu: I would like, at least, a clear statement about these:
1) why the special toleration for [Goldsby] contravening the rules> There is no such special treatment. If you believe that any member is violating the rules please submit a complaint through the normal channels. <2) why the database includes braindead level woodpushing from, particularly, this member?> The database includes a lot of things, and different people derive value from games for a variety of reasons. If you were speaking of some massive block of hundreds of games it would be a small cause for alarm but I believe you are speaking of a handful of games, right? If you think the database really shouldn't have these games then you can submit a correction slip indicating "low quality" as the problem. |
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Mar-08-11
| | chessgames.com: <notyetagm <CG.COM> Can we please have a forum for the recently completed <2011 CAPPELLE-LA-GRANDE OPEN>?> Splendid. This tournament looks very good; even the bottom half has some very strong players: 27th Cappelle-la-Grande (2011) |
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| Mar-08-11 | | ughaibu: On point 1, fair enough, but as I've been banned twice for offences of such slight that I still dont know what they were, I find your system incomprehensible. On point 2, I was under the impression that there exists a policy addressing the question of quality. In short, crap like the Goldsby games could be excused if one of the players enjoyed independent significance, Einstein, Darwin, Marx, etc. Stretching the notion of 'independent significance' to include Goldsby might justify including one of his games, at most, so what's the story? As a member, can I flood the database with similar vapid crap merely on the strength of the fact that I was the winner? How about the other tens of thousands of members? Either this is a special case or the integrity of your database is compromised. |
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Mar-08-11
| | jessicafischerqueen: <ughaibu> as a person who has been suspended <four times> I have some experience on the reasons for such suspensions. I'm not at all surprised to learn you have been suspended twice. Why?
Because as a Fischer fan I have looked at hundreds and hundreds of his games here and read all of Bobby' player page- And I have seen numerous and endless and frequently nasty bickering between you and <Rookfile> in the past that I found very distracting and unpleasant. Angry ad hominem arguments don't belong on Bobby's Profile and Player Pages or any one else's Profile and Player Pages. I'd bet that's why you've been suspended in the past, though I'm just guessing. Finally, if you really want to know why you've been suspended, just send an email to the administrators. I did this on all four occasions when I was suspended and they promptly told me the exact reason for the suspension. I hope this has been of some help-
Thanks-JFQ |
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| Mar-08-11 | | BobCrisp: The Zartobliwy game is from 1947, of course, and has long been known to be spurious. <Even the most dedicated hoaxer is not going to invent an entire tournament just to give his compositions a plausible backdrop.> Why not? In the words of <Fischer>, everything about that tournament has been pre-arranged, move by move. According to <Mike Fox & Richard James>: <We emailed the omniscient <Ken Whyld> who, like us, suspected a hoax, finding no mention of the tournament in contemporary German magazines and pointing out that <Sajtar> was only 16 at the time. He then asked the equally omniscient <Lothar Schmid>, who also knew nothing of the event.> Maybe you could take it up with <Edward Winter> as the final arbiter. <examination of the chess itself from Krakow (1938) would indicate that everything is perfectly normal, right down to the opening selections matching up with what was fashionable in that decade.> Yeah, like twenty moves of 1960/70s Marshall theory:
Dake vs T Kapfer, 1938 |
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| Mar-08-11 | | BobCrisp: J Gadalinski vs I Grynfeld, 1938 preempting Filip vs Fischer, 1962 by 24 years. And M Bluemich vs J Gadalinski, 1938 to Smyslov vs Kasparov, 1984 by 46. |
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| Mar-08-11 | | BobCrisp: <James & Fox> again: <We were able to identify several other games, from Megabase. Three of them were played by one <H Ueffing> in the 1987 Dortmund Open and two by a Belgian player called E Goossens, who may or may not be a descendant of G.Goossens.> Etienne Goossens |
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| Mar-08-11 | | Thanh Phan: Hello <chessgames.com> Would you be able to put the picture that <jessicafisherqueen> found for <Le Quang Liem> onto his profile page? It would be nice for others to link a name with a face on his page. Many thanks ~Thanh Phạn |
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| Mar-09-11 | | shivasuri4: A game of Laszlo Szabo from the 27th Cappelle-la-Grande Open has surfaced.The poor man died some 12 years ago. |
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| Mar-09-11 | | YouRang: I noticed a little typo in the fine print when you click on the new consultation game link: Chessgames Challenge: Team White vs Team Black, 2011 <NOTE TO ORIGINAL TEAM MEMBERS: If you were a <<mmember>> of the Team Game II ... > |
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| Mar-09-11 | | ughaibu: Jessicafischerqueen: I dont give a @#$% as to why I was banned, it's up to the site owners, what I wonder is how the daily @#$% of Goldsby could possibly be less than that for which anybody has ever been banned. |
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| Mar-10-11 | | shivasuri4: <chessgames.com>,could you please rearrange the positions of the Cappelle Open and the Amber tournament?Amber is yet to begin while the former has been completed.Also Amber would receive some heavy traffic in the upcoming days and easier accessibility to its page would definitely help. Thanks for your wonderful site. |
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Mar-10-11
 | | Tabanus: <cg> The pgn's from the Polish championship (Feb. 2011, one 2700+ and six 2600+ players) are now ready, here: http://www.mp2011.pl/node/10 |
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Mar-10-11
| | chessgames.com: <rearrange the positions> When we upload a new tournament we sometimes give it top billing, especially when there isn't a tournament in progress. We always end up sorting them chronologically as we'll do in a day or two. |
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Mar-10-11
| | chessgames.com: <ughaibu> I'm not really sure if you are advocating that we take a more stern approach to certain users or just trying to point out some kind of inconsistency in our actions. Let me address both positions. About inconsistency: In your case, you were placed on probation for the use of profane language. It would have been a very temporary affair but you failed to contact us, so it was protracted. I assure you that if another user used similar language, and there were complaints, we would take similar action. About taking more stern actions: We do not have any specific rule against hubris. There will always be users who rub you the wrong way, and it might seem satisfying to think that we may intervene and ban them simply for "being a jerk", but would you really want a community where people get banned left and right based on our whimsy? As long as they aren't obscene and don't harass specific members they will be allowed to continue. If you dislike them, I suggest you simply to place them on your ignore list; and if they should have a few games in the database, be sure to steer clear of discussions there. |
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| Mar-10-11 | | Akavall: Are certain user's games included in the database that is used for the opening explorer? If so, than <ughaibu>'s point should be rather clear. Currently 1.f4 has 1970 games and 33.4% of winning, 24.6% draws, 42.1% losses. Those percentages are there for a reason because they give users information about the opening. Now let's say that I decided to dump 1000 of my blitz games which I started with 1. f4 and won. This will not only add 1000 useless games to the database, but it will also skew the statistics about the opening. |
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| Mar-10-11 | | ughaibu: Chessgames.com: I'm not suggesting that you ban anyone merely for being a jerk, my suggestions are 1) that you consider whether or not it's to your advantage to maintain a policy which results in losing constructive members such as Benjamin Lau, Hayton3 and WMD but in keeping a destructive member like Goldsby. And 2) you delete all Goldsby games which do not have a specifiable historic interest. |
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Mar-11-11
 | | OhioChessFan: Whereas I think <chessgames.com> went far too long before banning <Hayton3> and I sure didn't lose any sleep over <WMD> Both were repeatedly warned and simply wouldn't stop what they were doing. I don't specifically recall the <Benjamin Lau> situation. |
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| Mar-11-11 | | Benzol: <OhioChessFan> Have a look at User: Benjamin Lau for an explanation. |
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