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Sep-30-12
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  Peligroso Patzer: Taking another look at Caruana vs Carlsen, 2012, the fascinating game played between the two young Super-Elite GMs last Monday, I just noticed that the site field in the caption for the moves table reads: "Bilbao ESP".

The actual venue for this game, of course, was Sao Paulo BR.

It may be the case that the same anomaly infects some other or all games from the first five rounds of this event. (I have not checked.)

Sep-30-12  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <AJ>--If you think that the person who runs this site is an idiot, and you tell people not to join this site, then why are you still here paying money as a Premium Member?
Oct-01-12  Colonel Mortimer: I think it's abundantly clear who the idiot is.
Oct-01-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Another request that when I click on the link in my forum to my last post in the World Game, I go to that post, and not the last page of kibitzing.
Oct-01-12  hms123: <AJ>

<Some users, like HMS123....seem intent on making this a personal vendetta > Not true. I would just like to see people be civil on the site.

For example:

<hms123: <LMAJ> Best of Season's Greetings to you and your family.--hms>

LIFE Master AJ chessforum

to which you replied:

<LIFE Master AJ: <hms123> Thanks much!>

LIFE Master AJ chessforum

Oct-01-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <Benzol> <Can you just clarify. Is it easier for you to correct the mistakes before the tournament collection gets it own page or after?> It's really all the same to us, but ideally it would be nice to think that the tournament is perfect when it first debuts for kibitzing.

There may even be cases where a correction is *mandatory* before it can get its own page. Let me explain. There is a small concern that a game collection such as Game Collection: Self-pins: be careful lining up your pieces! would be accidentally turned into a tournament page. So to protect itself, the software does some basic "sanity checks" to make sure that it looks like a tournament. And one of those checks is that all of the years of the games are the same--or at most, differ by 1. (For the few exceptions that we know exist, an administrator can override the software and add the event.)

<Blunderdome: Some time ago User: LoveThatJoker suggested that CG supply solutions to the daily puzzles. I'm paraphrasing here, but in your reply you said that aspect of the puzzle was more or less up to the users.> Right. <Enter A Naumann vs F Kroeze, 2009, where the note to 21...Bxg2 reads "21...c3!!" This is a fine practice when the game line isn't the line you considered to be the solution> Exactly--we normally don't try to explain all of the details of the solution, but if the intended solution wasn't even played, we should put a note.

<But 21...Bxg2 also wins!> Does it really? We didn't know that! We spent all our time analyzing 21...c3!! to convince ourselves that it worked. Once we got over that task, it never occurred to us that the actual move played was also a winner. We did do a broad computer analysis of the position to look for "duals" (aka "cooks") but we did not find any, much less the move played. Maybe we should have let the computer chew on it for another hour.

There is one situation where "duals" don't bother us, and that's when the "alternative winning move" only works because the plan is to play the primary move in short order. In other words, the solver has to see the winning move to get the puzzle, but perhaps you can insert an intermezzo first. Not understanding why 21...Bxg2+ wins as you say, I am not sure if the follow up plan is to play ...c3 or if it's something else. I suppose I can go to the page and catch up on yesterday's analysis.

<Since the players agreed to a draw in the game, many kibitzers assumed that ...Bxg2 was inferior. Perhaps they assumed anything with two exclamations points had to be right...> Point taken. That's the problem with exclamation points to begin with: they make a claim, the proof of which is "left as an exercise to the reader", and the student takes them at face value. We avoid them except in cases like you show, where a puzzle hinges on it.

Oct-01-12
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  chessgames.com: <SwitchingQuylthulg: <chessgames.com: After an investigation we have concluded that the "error 7077" from Guess-the-Move should be very hard to replicate after the recent round of fixes.> Excellent, thanks!> De nada! :-)

<Any progress on this bug? ;-)) chessgames.com chessforum>

Oh gee, that one. Honestly we haven't even started to investigate it. I am hoping it's a one-off anomaly caused by some fluke accident, but we'll see. Of course the intention of GTM in the opening phase is to sort of quiz you on what are normal opening moves, so of course you should get 3 points for picking the top move. We'll have to do a trace and figure out why it doesn't like your move. I hope it's not to do with the disambiguation.

Oct-01-12
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  chessgames.com: <<Life Master AJ> I captued all the dang pawns ... and I lose on time? Subtract rating points? How long does it take to fix one simple bug???????> Oh gee, is it still doing that? I was to believe that one was taken care of. Thanks for pointing this out.
Oct-01-12
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  chessgames.com: <OhioChessFan: Another request that when I click on the link in my forum to my last post in the World Game, I go to that post, and not the last page of kibitzing.> That would be nice. You could call it a bug, or you could call it a "feature that's 99% implemented." In either case, duly noted.
Oct-01-12
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  chessgames.com: <Someone asked me recently why my games were closed for kibitzing. I guess the best answer is that D. Freeman is an idiot, and they cannot find a reliable way to control the trolls.> No comment on this nonsense, except that I beg that we don't turn this page into a fight about the topic or the poster.
Oct-01-12  Robed.Bishop: <cg> Thanks again for clearing up the G-t-M error.
Oct-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: Hi Chessgames.com

Two small points.

Firstly I just wonder about World champion Karpov - I always thought his first name was "Anatoly" - not "Anatoli"

Anatoli Karpov

Also I thought it might be good if the PGN of games includes the Opening Tag for the intuitive opening name as well as the ECO code.

Best wishes
K

Oct-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <Anatoly vs Anatoli> Karpov actually has used both spellings, but it seems now clear that he prefers Anatoly and we agree that we should change that. We've been meaning to do that for some time; thanks for reminding.

<Also I thought it might be good if the PGN of games includes the Opening Tag for the intuitive opening name as well as the ECO code.> That's also not a bad idea, although there are arguments both pro and con. The "pro" is sort of obvious: you can glance at the PGN and see what opening it is, even if you're not such a nerd that you say offhand what D44 is.

Cons: I'd hate to append something as bulky as "English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Quiet Line" on 1000 games only to find out that it was wrong. Then there is just the philosophy that PGN is really for computers to read, and presumably your computer should be smart enough to tell you what the name of the opening is. And then there's the issue of language: suddenly our PGN becomes even more Americanized than it already is. (Is it the Wilkes-Barre Variation, or the Traxler Defense?)

In short, 100% agree with the "Anatoly" change which is well overdue. About appending the PGN, that's not so clear.

Oct-06-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: Hi Chessgames.com

The angle for consideration I am coming from is SEO optimisation - and this is relevant for any websites or blogs which have your PGNs

If webpages are indexed via Google then also having the opening name in the PGN would be a good standard default.

There are six mandatory tags and I am not sure you can be held accountable for the accuracy of non-mandatory tags, but to get over this issue, what about if there were two different PGN export options:

1) Standard
2) Enhanced

Enhanced could have the warning somewhere that Opening names may be long.

Also for "Enhanced" you might consider an extra tag linking to the Chess Games Game number.

For example:

A chessworld game of mine (game in progress is: )

[Event "www.ChessWorld.net server game"]
[Site "www.ChessWorld.net "]
[Date "2012.9.21"]
[Round "NA"]
[White "dee_one"]
[Black "kingscrusher"]
[Result "*"]
[Termination "in progress"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[DateLastMove "2012.9.29"]
[Board "8379940"]

1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 *

You can see the "Board" Tag - but this PGN has been acceptable for quite some years without issue for importing into local PGN readers as long as the six manatory tags are there.

To cover yourself maybe provide the "Enhanced PGN export" option - and that SEO improvement would also feedback into Chesssgame game numbers too - for seeing basically annotations where there are comments.

Also of course in a lot of PGN management software, there is an option to reindex on keys like Opening name. Chessbase provides this for example - so if people don't like the Opening name lookups you provide, they can always re-index locally.

Just some thoughts anyway!

Best wishes
K

Oct-06-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: But I do see your point about length of Opening names e.g.

Boris Gelfand vs Viswanathan Anand
Anand-Gelfand World Chess Championship 2012 ยท

Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Gligoric System Exchange at c4 (E54)

Maybe it should only be applied to single PGN export as an "enhanced PGN" option - or if the ":" convention is across all opening names, maybe just find the first colon or something.

Yes it is controversial - agreed!

From an SEO perspective though I think a Blog or website owner wouldn't mind the game page being found even if it was from say "Gligoric" above. After all I think the idea of naming Openings after famous players, is to remember them and get curiosity perhaps for looking up their games :)

Oct-08-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Peligroso Patzer: I assume you are aware that today's game, Karjakin vs. Aronian, Bilbao Masters, Round 6 has not yet been added to the games database. (See: Bilbao Masters (2012).)

Presumably the game score is readily accessible. Perhaps this is just a temporary oversight. In any case, I am eager to see that game in the CG database.

Oct-09-12  twinlark: <ceegee>

FYI: Biographer Bistro

Oct-09-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <Peligroso Patzer> The software automatically attempts to fetch outstanding games like that about every hour or two, or it can happen on demand by an admin. So we don't always get the games the minute they're over but if you look again you'll see the game in question: Aronian vs Anand, 2012.

<twinlark> Very well.

Oct-09-12  Eyal: <CG> The game <PP> was talking about isn't Aronian vs Anand from today, but rather Karjakin vs Aronian from yesterday (which at the moment is still missing). Also, regarding Bilbao - tomorrow is a rest day, so your next broadcast should be on Thursday.
Oct-09-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <Karjakin vs Aronian> Oh really?! We're so sorry we'll get that right away. A byproduct of the 3-1-0 scoring is that it's not patently obvious when a game is missing.

<regarding Bilbao - tomorrow is a rest day> Are you sure about that? We read that the rest day is the 11th.

Oct-09-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: Oh you must be right, the rest day is the 10th: http://www.bilbaomastersfinal.com/e.... Many thanks.
Oct-10-12  notyetagm: <CG.COM> Can you please make a forum for the <2012 UNITED STATES CHESS LEAGUE (USCL)>?

WEEK 5 PGN -> http://www.uschessleague.com/games/...

Thanks

Oct-10-12  notyetagm: <CG.COM> And also the <2011 GREEK TEAMS CHAMPIONSHIP>?

TWIC DOSSIER -> http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessne...

TWIC PGN -> http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/assets/...

Thanks

Oct-12-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <NotYet> We just pulled in 39th Greek Teams (2011) but note that we restricted it to 2200+ players. We're still working on a few of the names etc. but the games are there.

About http://uschessleague.com/ we should really gather all of those games in one place. Give us some time to do that; and it looks like week 6 is already here.

Oct-12-12  rapidcitychess: <<Feature Request>>

A 1+ button would be really nice for posts. I think most forums, chess or not, have implemented this. If you also wanted to record this, the amount of times one person had been 1+'d could be recorded right next to their post count. Each person could only 1+ a post once, for reasons that are apparent.

I don't know if this has been asked before, but here it is.

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