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Mar-28-17  zanzibar: Yet another question for <CG>... ok, make that yet more questions:

I don't use it too often, but I owe some thanks for the Opening Explorer feature.

I normally tend to use SCID Tree Window feature, in conjunction with <MillBase>.

Lately, doing some opening studies, I've been comparing the two systems.

That's a long windup for the pitch - is it possible to just get an ECO code, or better yet, a position via a FEN to synch up Opening Explorer?

Newbie that I am, I've been just replaying all the moves via the OE movelists - which is a bit tedious.

SCID's Tree Window automatically works off any given position.

Another feature SCID Tree has is presenting the move occurrences not only with # games, but also with frequency as a percentage - which I find a better format to assimilate.

Also handy is <ELO> and <Year> (though I wish they also listed <Debut> with a link.

It's also a little too bad <CG> can't just allow any given position to have a comment section - in addition to the available game list.

Mar-28-17
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  WannaBe: <Z> At the bottom of the opening explorer page, is input by FEN and by moves, so you can copy/paste them in there.

There is a comment section, for the openings, but sometimes the moves are not that deep. Example: Scotch Game (C45)

At the bottom, there are kibit'n'.

Mar-28-17  zanzibar: <<WannaBe> At the bottom of the opening explorer page, is input by FEN and by moves, so you can copy/paste them in there.>

I saw, and tried that, but it didn't work.

Let me have another go...

I'm not sure all positions have kibitzing sections, I think only the major ECO code pages do.

Let me check that too...

Mar-28-17  zanzibar: RE: FEN input -

Oops, right you are <WannaBe>, I didn't scroll down far enough, and was using the output FEN textbox and not the input search textbox.

That's better, thanks.

Here's a position where I was wanting to kibitz:

Opening Explorer

I don't think I can though.

Mar-28-17
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  WannaBe: <Z> Sicilian, Najdorf (B96) is the forum for that opening, from the explorer, click/look under Opening Designations, then click on Opening: Sicilian

But it goes to 7th move, not as deep (to 11th move), like I mentioned. I use the Opening Explorer quite often when playing something that I'm not familiar with while playing Corr. Chess.

Mar-28-17  thegoodanarchist: Today's pun was somehow ruined.

It should have been "Black is K.O.'d" but someone truncated it.

Karpov vs Adorjan, 1989

This is NOT O.K.! (pun intended)

Mar-28-17
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  chessgames.com: <zanzibar> When it comes to kibitzing, we're a bit reluctant to open up literally millions of new kibitzing pages, especially when the 500 we already have designated for opening discussion don't see much action.

If you really wanted to discuss the position you showed, you could go to Sicilian, Najdorf (B96) and say something like

<Hey people, I've been studying the following position and want to know what you think about it:


click for larger view

>

About going from a FEN to an OE page, it's very easy, just go to the front page of the OE and you'll find a form used for exactly that with the title <OPENING EXPLORER » Search for Position by FEN String>

Opening Explorer FEN Lookup

Mar-28-17
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  chessgames.com: <It should have been "Black is K.O.'d" but someone truncated it.> I'm sorry if I don't get the joke, but what's the difference? Is "Black is KO'd" a reference to something?
Mar-28-17
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  chessgames.com: Oh I get it now, it's a pun on that book by Adorjan "Black is OK". No worries, we can still use that pun.
Mar-28-17  zanzibar: <chessgames> Yes, I wouldn't want to popular the DB with thousands of empty pages.

But creating the pages dynamically, that's a different model.

In other words, the page only gets created when someone tries to comment on a position. Easy enough to encode the unique FEN to tag the page, and you dynamically fill in the gamelist anyways.

Basically, some of the more interesting opening lines are very deep when the discussion about a new TN becomes relevant.

E.g. Najdorf (many lines), Marshall (Spanish), French Defense (Poisoned Pawn), etc., etc.

One could conceivably add a minimum number of games as a prerequisite.

In my case,

Opening Explorer

on Black's 11th move in the Najdorf, it's a position that maps into 11 games on <CG>. That's a goodly number.

And it's still a viable line, as it spans from 1980 to today, basically.

Next, I made a comment about the 11.Ndb5 TN on a game page, which is the earliest <CG> game. But, as I noted there, it's not the true debut, which <CG> is missing.

So, it would be nice for me to get ahead of the <CG> updating, (er, Junge comes to mind), to be able to comment on the position and not the game.

(And who knows if some corr game predates the 1979 game?)

* * * * *

One other nice SCID feature that I should mention here is that the list of games, sharing the same position, also lists the next move in a column on the table.

This is a nice feature that <CG> might consider adopting as well.

OK, thanks.

Mar-29-17  thegoodanarchist: <chessgames.com: Oh I get it now, it's a pun on that book by Adorjan "Black is OK".>

I'm kind of surprised you didn't get the pun at first. There are lots of other puns that have been used, that I have to google or read other posters to figure out.

But then this one comes along, based on a famous <chess> book, and you didn't know it right away.

Just goes to show, what people think is well-known or common, isn't always so.

Mar-29-17
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  OhioChessFan: <zanzy> I had a somewhat similar thought about specific positions having a kibitzing page. My thoughts were more along the lines of current theory, a few plies past what the identifying ECO code is. Those could even be blue linked with a name like "Current Theory" and take you to an index page of the current mainline positions in a handful of major openings. That's about as far as I've gotten in my ruminations. Of course, today's go-to opening is tomorrow's busted line, so it might be pretty variable. Regardless, I have to agree with cg.c that the pages for openings are very little kibitzed on, some of them shockingly so.
Mar-29-17
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  OhioChessFan: As one utterly depressing example of the above:

Caro-Kann (B10)

Mar-29-17
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  chessgames.com: <I'm kind of surprised you didn't get the pun at first.> Sometimes you just have to look at a pun the right way or it goes over your head. When I saw "KO'd" all I could think of was a boxing match, and a pedantic obsession to know if "K.O.'d" is preferable.

Anyhow, "position kibitzing", believe it or not that idea is over 10 years old. It wouldn't be hard to implement but I'm not so sure how much it would be used.

Apr-01-17
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  WannaBe: No jester banner for 4/1/2017?
Apr-01-17
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  chessgames.com: I delayed it on purpose hoping to catch a few people with the spoiler. OK, let's put the funny hat on...
Apr-04-17
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  tpstar: <chessgames.com> Those threats about driving me and my friend off this site by March 2017 are now gone. So you did read it.

I kept a paper trail, as always, for the next person who needs it.

Revisionist history, false narratives, repeat offenders, and special treatment.

Apr-04-17
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  chessgames.com: <tpstar> Don't assume that I read everything that gets deleted here, but any post that could be construed as a threat (of any sort) against another member is a heinous example of a personal attack and has no place here.
Apr-04-17
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  chessgames.com: Oh, I see now: the K Café has is on the verge of fisticuffs. I'll have to clean it up later but in the meantime please don't use this page as an overflow area.
Apr-04-17  zanzibar: Well, to change the subject...

EZ-Search question -

Shouldn't I be able to look up certain super famous games via their tag lines?

Specifically, I was thinking of these:

1) Evergreen Game

2) Immortal Game

3) Game of the Century

4) Immortal Zugzwang

etc., etc.

(There has to be a few more...)

Just as a convenience, which I thought was already there.

Apr-04-17
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  chessgames.com: <Shouldn't I be able to look up certain super famous games via their tag lines?> The thought's occurred to us. From time to time we go through the logfiles to see what people type into EZ Search, and pay close attention to the ones that don't work. There are definitely some Easter eggs in there (search "Corus" just for example) games of famous names aren't catered for, at least not yet.
Apr-05-17  zanzibar: <chessgames> Well, trying to find the Immortal Game isn't so easy given this:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

All fourteen games are from the same year.

Now, I'm not saying that a game list should be made for every phun-handle you guys give the games, but the idea has occurred to me.

Apr-05-17  User not found: Maybe you should check your email Daniel!?
Apr-05-17
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  chessgames.com: I did, I'll respond more fully later when I have the time. Meanwhile, it's not a topic for this forum.
Apr-05-17  User not found: Okay. But I think I know what you're going to say now so don't bother. Thank you.
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