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Dec-13-21
 | | Stonehenge: <This "someone" should delete the new duplicates created. I have long been expecting the TI events to become messed up, but somehow it has not happened yet.> Well some have been affected. There are also newly made tournaments (with kibitzing and crosstable) that are incomplete while the rest of the games can be easily found elsewhere. I believe the last two days only around 10,000 games have been uploaded. The last few weeks I have seen hundreds of duplicate games and player files. User: Caisso is basically destroying what I have been building up for the last ten years. As I have said before, the only one who has a clue about all the ins and outs of this database is me. I don't know why things like this aren't being run by me first. I was good enough to get the honour of announcing Daniel's death (Daniel Freeman (kibitz #274)) but apparently not good enough to listen to. <Susan>, next time you hire someone, please let it be someone who actually communicates once in a while. |
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| Dec-13-21 | | diceman: <diceman: The Laboratory Computer isn't really working at all:> Any chance this will be working this year? :)
I think about Nov 2 2021 was the first time I brought this up. |
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| Dec-13-21 | | diceman: <Stonehenge: <Susan>, next time you hire someone, please let it be someone who actually communicates once in a while.> <Stonehenge:> bringing <outside the box> to CG! |
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Dec-13-21
 | | MissScarlett: <User: Caisso is basically destroying what I have been building up for the last ten years.> How?
And who is responsible for all these uploads and duplicates? User: Chessdreamer has been uploading many games but I haven't checked them in any detail. |
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Dec-13-21
| | MissScarlett: It seems <Stonehenge> is operating under the assumption that <Caisso> has been uploading the offending games: Caisso chessforum (kibitz #13) I suspect not, but even were it so, 'basically destroying what I have been building up for the last ten years' sounds somewhat melodramatic. Convenient as it has been for editors to unilaterally approve their own and others games, I think this practice needs to come to an end, or be otherwise moderated. |
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Dec-13-21
| | MissScarlett: I'm also wondering how all these duplicates are making it through the system. I submitted a duplicate just today and it was caught and rejected. Do most of these duplicates have transpositions? Does the presence of annotations in the PGN circumvent the matching process? |
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Dec-13-21
 | | Caisso: Some duplicate games have made it through the filters. We are working to improve our game filtering system so we do not get more duplicates. |
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Dec-13-21
 | | Tabanus: AFAIK the regular editors can't approve a duplicate. So it must be some other admin. On the other hand, when I try to upload a "quasi-duplicate" (same game score but different event and players) it gets rejected. I just checked about 100 of "my" events and none were affected. The Stonehenge uploads are terribly many and often without a (sourced) bio. Else they seem Ok and they are useful (to me). The uploads which are forced in without checking for real duplicates (which should ideally be rejected), missing games, game result and duplicate player names etc. are just sloppyness and a threat to the few who want to do something positive. Susan should not allow it, but what does she know. |
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Dec-13-21
| | MissScarlett: I can't remember if I was here at the time, but didn't Daniel once have a system which would flag up on the respective pages, duplicates, or near duplicates, in the DB and colour indicate where, if at all, they differed. |
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Dec-13-21
| | Tabanus: Paris (1929), one of the hundreds. It's just a blue copy from 365Chess or ChessBase or who knows. No research whatsoever. Still CG calls it a "chessgames.com historical chess event", LOL. Pathetic! |
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Dec-13-21
| | Tabanus: The CG "culture" and its jolly good fellows in the kibitzing is fine. Even if some of the kibitzers only need a heap of games and a kibitz box, the CG editors should be able to work seriously. The editors don't have to interfer much with the general kibitzing. |
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Dec-13-21
| | MissScarlett: <An in-demand non-fungible token (NFT) has been accidentally sold for a little more than $3,000 (£2,270) - one-hundredth of its market price. The Bored Ape Yacht Club is limited run of 10,000 pieces of digital art, each with minor variations. But the owner of Bored Ape number 3,547 made a "fat fingered" typing error when listing the item for sale online. The NFT was instantly snapped up by an automated account - and put back on sale at nearly $250,000.> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technolo...
Would recasting <CG> as the <Bored Ape Chess Club> go against <Miss Susan>'s vision of the site as a museum of fine art? Companies like chess24 and FIDE are already on the NFT bandwagon, but <CG> has a readymade store of over a million NFTs waiting to be hustled, which could make us market leaders. Fine art is, of course, one great big hustle, so I can't foresee any ethical objections. |
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Dec-13-21
 | | Diademas: <MissScarlett: <An in-demand non-fungible token (NFT) has been accidentally sold for a little more than $3,000 (£2,270) - one-hundredth of its market price.
The Bored Ape Yacht Club is limited run of 10,000 pieces of digital art, each with minor variations. But the owner of Bored Ape number 3,547 made a "fat fingered" typing error when listing the item for sale online. The NFT was instantly snapped up by an automated account - and put back on sale at nearly $250,000.> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technolo... I'm not ashamed to say that there was nothing in that article that made sense to me. |
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Dec-13-21
| | MissScarlett: All you need to see are <$$$$$$$$$$$$$>. |
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Dec-14-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
Please listen to <Stonehenge> and please let him know your plans in advance so that he can help you improve the database. |
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Dec-14-21
 | | beatgiant: <Stonehenge>
I just ran a script to repair all the "rubbishy looking Russian wikipedia links" on player bios you previously complained about. Will report details in the Biographer Bistro tomorrow morning my time. |
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Dec-14-21
| | MissScarlett: <Stonehenge>'s was a clear challenge to <Caisso> to admit or deny uploading large numbers of games. <Caisso> sidesteps the issue. Mine was a clear challenge to <Stonehenge> to account for the extent of the alleged damage. No response. What a strange way to run a website! |
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Dec-16-21
 | | kingscrusher: Hi Guys
I noticed some room for improvement maybe for the future - on the Lasker page: Emanuel Lasker It seems to me currently less than ideal as a kind of "tour guide" of matches and Tournaments. I think first of all the tournament should be separated from the matches as two different sections and then they should be ordered by date. So it kind of nearly arrives at the Wiki tour guide for Lasker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanu...
E.g. this bit in particular for "Tournaments":
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Emanuel Lasker answered these criticisms by creating an even more impressive playing record. He came third at Hastings 1895 (where he may have been suffering from the after-effects of typhoid fever[3]), behind Pillsbury and Chigorin but ahead of Tarrasch and Steinitz, and then won first prizes at very strong tournaments in St Petersburg 1895–96 (an elite, 4-player tournament, ahead of Steinitz, Pillsbury and Chigorin), Nuremberg (1896), London (1899) and Paris (1900); tied for second at Cambridge Springs 1904, and tied for first at the Chigorin Memorial in St Petersburg 1909.[4]
" Can be kind of emulated on Chessgames.com as:
Hastings 1895 (3rd)
St Petersburg 1895–96 (an elite, 4-player tournament, ahead of Steinitz, Pillsbury and Chigorin) etc etc - to tell the story here chronologically. And the "matches" - and world championship challenge matches were abundant for Lasker, on a different section. Hope this might be considered for the future to kind of give a "Virtual historical tour" of matches and tournaments a little more aligned to Wiki. Cheers, K |
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Dec-16-21
| | kingscrusher: BTW I appreciate there is "World championships" but as a programmer, this is just a "Sub-class" of Matches i.e. "World championship Matches". Currently on Chessgame.com we seem to have "Matches" interwoven with "Tournaments". For me a match is a match against just one other opponent. Whether that is a World Championship match or casual match - is just a "match" of sorts. If we can tell the story of Lasker - the longest-reigning world champion better, I think that for me is a great improvement for navigating key games. |
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| Dec-16-21 | | Messiah: Lots of 500 internal server errors! Terrible! |
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Dec-16-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Exactly how long are the constant interruptions in service going to last? I have been trying to work for a week and it's almost impossible given how many "Server is overloaded" interruptions appear. Is there a game plan? Is the site owner, or anybody, co-ordinating the activities of all the new techs? Are the techs in constant communication with each other in order to fashion a co-ordinated plan? If so, might we be updated on what this plan is, exactly, and updated on progress? If there is any that is. Without co-ordination this is bound to come to grief and to be honest I see almost no evidence of ANY co-ordination so far. Also, with respect to the actual player/game database, ALL the co-ordinators should be running their ideas/activities/plans past <Stonehenge> and <Tabanus> BEFORE taking actions of any kind. <Stony and Tab> are totally conversant with the way the database was run under Daniel, and I see no evidence that any of this priceless knowledge is being sought after by the new techs BEFORE they take unannounced actions that effect the integrity of the database. |
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Dec-16-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Messiah>
I hadn't see your post before I published mine. <Messiah: Lots of 500 internal server errors! Terrible!> Your post = NOT TERRIBLE! |
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Dec-16-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<kingscrusher>
Your ideas on improving the bio for Lasker, and the bios in general, seem valuable to me. Might you consider emailing our webmaster and requesting to become a volunteer editor? Then you would be able to go in to bios and make changes directly. I suspect you would be a welcome addition to the volunteer staff. |
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Dec-16-21
 | | Willber G: <jessicafischerqueen:
Is there a game plan? Is the site owner, or anybody, co-ordinating the activities of all the new techs? Are the techs in constant communication with each other in order to fashion a co-ordinated plan? If so, might we be updated on what this plan is, exactly, and updated on progress? If there is any that is.> I agree.
chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #36066) |
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| Dec-19-21 | | Messiah: Analysis server is DOWN. |
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