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Jan-03-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Messy was warned...
<OhioChessFan: Just stop. Stop.> Messiah chessforum (kibitz #62) |
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Jan-03-22
 | | juan31: <cg> Our "Card Security Code" validator is not working at the moment, please disregard the inputs below. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I want renew. |
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Jan-04-22
 | | fredthebear: Stop what? What was the violation? The warning needs to be made clear. Warnings and suspensions need to be written in full, complete sentences. Did Messiah interfere with the website w/his submissions? (Apparently the first suspension was due to inappropriate submissions?) If a host of submissions were merely silly, of low quality, then don't act on them, like a pun that isn't good enough. Low quality is not an offense. That's been proven many, many, many times by habitual scribblers who say next to nothing useful. The offense must be worthy of suspension! An auto driver does not lose their driving license because they failed to turn on their signal. It's an omission, but it's not worthy of suspension. There needs to be some consensus amongst staff before a suspension is assigned. There's a big difference between "irritation" and "violation." It should not be a personal power play. An offense should be bad for the website, not merely inconvenient. Yes, a user's long history of behavior, contributions, and intent should be taken into account. The intent to offend or disrupt is a factor to consider. Lackluster self-expression is not a factor. |
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: Internal Server Error
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: <Fred The Bear>, what you are not understanding is that <Susan> has apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) admin privileges to non-Americans. As such, they have almost no appreciation for free speech and conduct their admin duties like little tyrants. In other words, they crush the American spirit of this website. It falls on Susan. She's ultimately the one in charge. |
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: <I am concerned that personal dislike by the staff has entered into their decision making.> That was the problem with Annie, the pink pussyhat-wearing, purple-haired, multiple-cat-owning, sweater-wearing, non-American, anti-free speech, femnazi little tyrant that kept banning Elite Poster <Big Pawn>. The EuroLibs need to understand that this is an American website and as such, it reflects American values. EuroLibs don't get to censor opinions just because they don't like them. Maybe that's how Hitler rolled.
Maybe that's how Mussolini rolled.
Maybe that's how Stalin rolled.
But it's not how we roll here in America.
Like it or lump it. |
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: Of course, I encourage civility when posting.
I have long been calling for more civilized discourse. |
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: I nominate <Saffuna>, aka <Jim Bartle> for a special CG award. He's posted more than ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES!!! No matter what side you're on, you have to admit, that's impressive!! Maybe <CG> should consider awarding him a one year free premium membership? And a special announcement? |
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Jan-04-22
 | | OhioChessFan: To be clear, I don't approve of Messiah's suspension. I just want him to stop. |
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Jan-04-22
 | | chancho: With a grand total of 44,590 posts by Big Pawn/George Wallace (and his numerous sockies) he should get a very special award as well. That total should easily put him in the top 10 at number 7. I have 40,512 after 16 years.
You reached your totals in about 7 years!
Impressive! |
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Jan-04-22
 | | chancho: Wait, I rechecked the numbers, and the total is actually: <49,894.> You'd be at number 3.
Ahead of Jim Bartle! |
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Jan-04-22
 | | perfidious: < Of course, I encourage civility when posting.
I have long been calling for more civilized discourse. <I am concerned that personal dislike by the staff has entered into their decision making.> That was the problem with Annie, the pink pussyhat-wearing, purple-haired, multiple-cat-owning, sweater-wearing, non-American, anti-free speech, femnazi little tyrant that kept banning Elite Poster <Big Pawn>.> 'Civilised discourse', is it?
You are capable of being banned under any and every one of your socks, so hate-filled is your content. <....The EuroLibs need to understand that this is an American website and as such, it reflects American values....> This site is for everyone, despite this assertion, without regard to race, creed, colour or nationality. |
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Jan-04-22 | | George Wallace: <perfy boy: This site is for everyone, despite this assertion, without regard to race, creed, colour or nationality.> This <American website> which reflects <American values> and not the values of some other place, is "for everyone, despite this assertion, without regard to race, creed, colour or nationality.> Fixed. |
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Jan-05-22
 | | saffuna: <This <American website> which reflects <American values> and not the values of some other place, is "for everyone, despite this assertion, without regard to race, creed, colour or nationality.> I disagree with that. The site reflects the values of the users, wherever they may come from. |
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Jan-05-22 | | George Wallace: <The site reflects the values of the users, wherever they may come from.> No, the owner of the website sets the standard and that owner is one libertarian American named <Susan>. <Susan: While we have and enjoy many international members and visitors, we are a company based in the US. We have something called a constitution. The first amendment is freedom of speech. > <Susan: Let it be known:
We at CG endorse free speech, and that applies to everyone. > I love the fact that <Susan> doesn't apologize for being American or having American values, but instead is proud of American values and America! It's better to be American and spread American values than it is to be "International" and spread "International values". |
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Jan-05-22
 | | saffuna: <No, the owner of the website sets the standard and that owner is one libertarian American named <Susan>.> All right. And if she said it reflects <American values>, I missed it. As I understand it, the site does have certain guidelines. Such as "No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language" and "No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members." Perhaps, <george wallace>, you could give your definition of "American values." Is it blocking doorways to keep certain people from attending school? |
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Jan-05-22 | | George Wallace: <All right. And if she said it reflects <American values>, I missed it.> Then read it again:
<Susan: While we have and enjoy many international members and visitors, we are a company based in the US. We have something called a constitution. The first amendment is freedom of speech. > The country: America
The Value: Free Speech
The setting: Distinguishing between the international and American - and America wins because this is an American website located in America and owned by an American. |
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Jan-05-22
 | | saffuna: All right. There it is, I stand corrected.
I assume that is within the framework of the guidelines. |
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Jan-05-22
 | | MissScarlett: Is <Messiah> an American? If not, then Americans should cease trying to impose their values on the rest of the world. I think Pat Buchanan would agree with me. As to whether the Brits invented American values, I make no comment. |
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Jan-05-22 | | George Wallace: Well, my main point is to applaud <Susan> for having a free speech platform like <CG>, where we can enjoy unstifled, spirited debate about any topic at all. That's hard to come by these days, what with the Nazi technocrats < canceling> speech all over the place. When I see the ugly hand of tyranny, in the form of anti-free speech measures being taken on this site, I intend to blow it up, make a big stink about it, run it up the flagpole and squash it immediately, because if I don't, and if we don't, then little by little our free speech will erode. Just think; if we didn't have free speech, then you wouldnt' be able to come here and enjoy over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND POSTS, almost all of them centered around political debate on the Rogoff page, because your opposition wouldn't be able to post what they were really thinking, and that would deprive you of lots and lots of fun. |
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Jan-05-22 | | George Wallace: < MissScarlett: Is <Messiah> an American? If not, then Americans should cease trying to impose their values on the rest of the world. > Why don't <you> stop trying to impose your values on the rest of the world? By saying, "Americans should..." it is <you> who is imposing your values. Having said that, the idea of imposing freedom is an oxymoron, with the emphasis on moron. See, this is the problem with letting non-Americans enjoy admin privileges. America was conceived in liberty while Europe was conceived in feudalism. The Euros just don't get FREE SPEECH. |
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Jan-05-22
 | | saffuna: <...almost all of them centered around political debate on the Rogoff page...> False.
I would just point out...again...that there are guidelines. Not that the administration actually enforces them very often... |
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Jan-05-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Why don't <you> stop trying to impose your values on the rest of the world?> Because I'm non-American, of course. But to return to my point - why should non-Americans who don't get free speech expect or desire free speech here? <Messiah> being banned was evidently the highlight of his week, possibly his life. Would you deny him that simple pleasure? |
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Jan-05-22 | | George Wallace: <why should non-Americans who don't get free speech expect or desire free speech here?> Because:
<Susan: While we have and enjoy many international members and visitors, we are a company based in the US. We have something called a constitution. The first amendment is freedom of speech. > And:
<Susan: Let it be known:
We at CG endorse free speech, and that applies to everyone. > Regarding <Messiah>, it's not about him, personally, as far as I'm concerned. It's about the issue of free speech in general. I thought <Fred The Bear> brought up some very good points and I shared his concerns. Look, the Brits are good at overboiling their veggies. Americans are good at free speech. Let us handle the free speech. We'll let you handle the boiling of...everything. |
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Jan-05-22
 | | fredthebear: Did Susan issue the suspension?
IMHO, Susan operates by her own values, not by nationalities. (I certainly have not read all of her statements; I'm not a follower. As an American, her values are quite dissimilar to mine. It's likely upbringing/personality traits that make us different. Of course, I have the same problem w/my vegan nephews and their laughable AOC world outlook: No borders, no walls, no cows, no cops, no corporations, no citizenship required, no coal/gas/oil, no planes, no guns, more gangs, more drugs, more crime, free college, free housing, etc. etc. Americans don't agree on squat; the ignorant follow the misleading mainstream media.) It would seem that Susan has made some good employee hires that were badly needed, and there has been slow improvement at the sight. The issue of content and consistency remains a concern. Perhaps "6. No trolling" should be amended to apply to both site members and chess players. We don't need someone making the same provocative statement on every game page of a particular player, hoping to generate the same repeat argument on every game page of a particular player. History repeats itself; it'll happen again, and we'll all go through the same aggravation again. Who remembers the board game "Aggravation?" So, perhaps we need to distinguish between freedom of speech and freedom of posting ad nauseam (a sort of targeted spamming). Gee whiz -- this Libertarian is starting to sound like a Regulator. Shall we have a mask mandate on this website? Must we social distance at least six feet from our screens? Does our iPhone need to be vaccinated? I think we can make these decisions for ourselves, individually. Better too much freedom, than too much regulation. That, Susan and I can agree on. Let's strive for clarity and consistency in regulation. Look what regulations did to this self-sufficient solitary man (a hermit squatter). He harmed no one, but the SOBs insist on ruining his life: https://apnews.com/article/lifestyl... Video of River Dave: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...
So we should ask ourselves, is this really necessary? before we wag our finger at others. |
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