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May-12-22
 | | MissScarlett: Will it support null moves? |
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| May-12-22 | | Olga Man: <MissScarlett: Will it support null moves?>
Sure seems easy enough.
What does a null move mean for you? Do nothing? Make a move for the player that cannot be made? Just to add an annotation?The specification says no, seems like it is a useful hack for some analysis tools. |
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May-12-22
| | MissScarlett: A null move is effectively a pass move. Usually seen in pawn and two move games, where White moves twice without reply: McDonnell vs W Lewis, 1829 They aren't recognised by Olga, but are by programs like Fritz and ChessPad. At present, a game can't be uploaded featuring a null move (represented by --), but they can be edited into the PGN thereafter. See:stevemcd87 chessforum (kibitz #481) |
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May-12-22
| | MissScarlett: Do I take it that Olga Viewer chessforum and User: Olga Man are unrelated? |
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| May-13-22 | | Z free or die: <<Missy> They aren't recognised by Olga, but are by programs like Fritz and ChessPad. > Dudette forgot to mention SCID.
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Does anybody know why <Daniel> decided to embark upon the Olga path in the first place? In other words, given the competition's rather large lead, what itch was Olga intended to scratch? (I never quite got it) |
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| May-13-22 | | Z free or die: <<Susan> He is a hard man to corner.> Let's just say <Olga Man> is no Limp Bizkit shall we? |
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| May-13-22 | | Z free or die: <<dice> If the bugs aren't worked out, you may
<rue the day> you Superbet <Rue>mania.> Speaking of groans... |
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| May-13-22 | | Olga Man: <Does anybody know why <Daniel> decided to embark upon the Olga path in the first place?> I can't speak on all of the reasons but I do remember the existing chess pgn viewer relied on Java. Clientside Java was being replaced by Javascript (this was years ago) and so Olga was written in Javascript as it did not require the user to download and Install a separate browser plugin. |
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May-13-22
 | | Willber G: I understand why CPD II had to be retired but it's a shame that it's replacement has not been completed and has missing functionality. |
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| May-13-22 | | Olga Man: <Willber G: I understand why CPD II had to be retired but it's a shame that it's replacement has not been completed and has missing functionality.>
That attitude is a shame.
<A weak mind lifts stones to throw instead of adding them to the wall.> - Olga Man 2022 - |
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| May-14-22 | | Z free or die: Using <Wayback>, I was able to roughly outline the history of <CG> default viewers: <
CVD - pre-2008 (?) -- 2012-12-17
pgn4web - 2013-01-22 -- 2017-01-06
Olga - 2017-09-25 -- ??
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The dates are approximate, taken from the archival screenshots of the <Game of the Century>. So, the appearance of <pgn4web> belies the need for a non-Java viewer (since <pgn4web> is already a javascript based viewer). At the time of <pgn4web'>s replacement I wondered exactly what <Olga> did that pgn4web didn't. I suppose the analysis feature is largest difference, and the ability to get an engine eval of a position via Stockfish (which could be retrofitted for <pgn4web> I would imagine, if only for the game play). But somehow I think Daniel mostly wanted to have an in-house version. |
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| May-14-22 | | Z free or die: <Olga Man: <Willber G: I understand why CPD II had to be retired but it's a shame that it's replacement has not been completed and has missing functionality.> That attitude is a shame.> I don't know if I agree - I think <Wilber>'s lament is merited, and a mild rebuke at the most. And he's attempted to provide some constructive suggestions: chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #37878) . |
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May-14-22
| | Willber G: <Olga Man: <Willber G: I understand why CPD II had to be retired but it's a shame that it's replacement has not been completed and has missing functionality.> That attitude is a shame. <A weak mind lifts stones to throw instead of adding them to the wall.> - Olga Man 2022 ->
We were told years ago that the functionality that <Z> linked to would be forthcoming. It was part of CPD II, after all. Do you think it's unreasonable for a paying member of many years to question this? I don't know what your current role in CG is (clarity about who does what on this site is sadly lacking) but if you are no longer involved in the development of Olga then hopefully my comments will be noted by someone who is in a position to consider them seriously. |
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| May-14-22 | | Olga Man: I don't have an official role. I just help where I can. Historically that was a programmer of Olga and Aria. Let's make sure we understand what the code is - OLGA is just a wrapper on real projects - chess.js and chesboard.js as noted in its forum. What's the difference between a real project and OLGA? Well Olga has a smattering of complaints and desires from the community found on this site (if you look hard enough) was built in 2017 and then never worked on again. Meanwhile a real project has contributors -
https://github.com/mliebelt/PgnView...
For instance, the above pgn viewer is using almost the same project structure of a bunch of upstream projects to make this one but the difference it has multiple people working on it. I know there are other programmers in this community. So the lack of Aria support was by choice.
At any moment CG could integrate these different boards (there are 1000s) The goal was to build something special and unique for CG, the reallity was that most of the innovative things that can be done are serverside. For instance at one point we were discussing live watch parties for online games with Olga feeding the "local" board and a peanut gallery conversation going (like twitch). This would have all been server side. I do appreciate the comments and feedback as they have helped me realize spending my time trying to get Aria in shape would be wasteful. It's there if anyone wanted to learn from the issues I faced or pull anything good out of it (I'm particularly happy with the board code that uses canvas and pixi.js). |
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| May-15-22 | | Z free or die: <<OM> I know there are other programmers in this community> Which community? Not <CG>'s presumably, but rather <PGNViewer.JS> I assume. <So the lack of Aria support was by choice.> Why didn't the communtiy support it? Is there a similar project that garnered all the support? When I look online the most distributed javascript viewer is from ChessTempo, or so I believe. https://old.chesstempo.com/pgn-usag...
I know Richard is a cracker-jack programmer, and delivers a polished and well-supported product (again, or so I believe). |
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May-16-22
 | | Phony Benoni: Today's puzzle (R Safar vs I Agrest, 2008) was also used on Apirl 11 of this year. |
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May-16-22
 | | Susan Freeman: < Phony> not good thank you for bringing this to my attention. |
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May-16-22
| | MissScarlett: We need to talk about Kev....is he up to the job? |
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May-16-22
| | Susan Freeman: I texted Kevin. He has a full time job. Will hear back later. This happens every now and then. |
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May-16-22
| | Phony Benoni: <Susan Freeman> Never mind; it was my mistake. There waa no problem. |
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May-19-22
| | Susan Freeman: no problem |
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May-19-22
| | MissScarlett: Let's get Superbet Chess Rapid & Blitz Poland (2022) and Chessable Masters (2022) on the front page. |
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May-20-22
| | Susan Freeman: <Miss> I am on it . thank you. :) |
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May-25-22
| | MissScarlett: User: Chessonly All links run into my Norton security thus: <Dangerous Webpage Blocked
You attempted to access:
https://chessonly.com/
This is a known dangerous webpage. It is highly recommended that you do NOT visit this page.> Sufficient grounds to delete this account? |
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| May-25-22 | | Z free or die: <<Missy> Sufficient grounds to delete this account?> Not entirely convinced by only using Norton as final judge. OTOH all his posts are basically links back to his site - which is questionable (unless you're bidmonfa) |
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