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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <saffuna: <And as far as the libs who "leave the site" because the guidelines are eliminated, I will replace their premium memberships with gift memberships.> Ha! Your very own <george wallace> doesn't even have a premium membership.> <George Wallace> is a progressive liberal. Have you read his profile page? But I'll even buy him a premium membership for the next lib that leaves because his ultimatum to <Susan> wasn't met re the guidelines. I just think these people are incredibly arrogant to issue these ultimatums. Who do they think they are? |
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Jun-30-22
 | | saffuna: <george wallace/big pawn> "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." |
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Jun-30-22 | | Z truth 000000001: <SF - chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #38357)> Now <Susan> wants us to follow the advice of an effete academic from Harvard - the bastion of East-Coast liberals? Gheesh. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Speaking of freedom of speech - what happened to my earlier, insightful and inciteful posts? Did I hurt somebody's little feelings?
Truth-graped!? Or grated by the truth.
Let's face it - Susan is out of touch with the real <CG> community if she's condoning the N_word. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Z truth 000000001: Let's eliminate the guidelines - pretty much everything <Daniel> put together lies in a heap of smoking ruins - why not finish it off all together? (Let's see how much "freedom of truth" can be speaked) |
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Jun-30-22 | | stone free or die: <just a very disappointed guy CG is dead until it gets bought by a third party.> stonehenge chessforum
Susan - you need to go, now.
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Jun-30-22
 | | Susan Freeman: Of course anything against US law should be censored on here. If you say you want to lynch somebody
or shoot the President, it should be deleted.
Shouting fire in the www does not apply, |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <Susan Freeman: Of course anything against US law should be censored on here. If you say you want to lynch somebody
or shoot the President, it should be deleted.
Shouting fire in the www does not apply,> Isn't it sad that you have to spell out commonsense like this and spoon feed it to a bunch of grown men? Anyways - I offer my services as the moderator. Warning: I will not take much action, but if someone threatens to shoot up a school, I'll delete the post and suspend them for a couple days. You need an <American> moderator who is bent on free speech, so I highly recommend myself. |
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Jun-30-22 | | stone free or die: How about calling for the blood of <CG> members to flow on the street? How about reposting the ChristChurch murderer's manifesto (under the rather thin guise of "analysis")? How about posting the Iliad, or some other cut-and-paste job, on the Cafe to flood the forum? All good examples of free speech on <CG>, at least in this version of the multi-verse, Makes me want to say the c-word - i.e. clueless. One can be principled, sure, or would it be more apt to say Peter Principled? . |
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Jun-30-22 | | suenteus po 147: Online moderation is a thankless job, but it's necessary. The relative anonymity and the potential for abuse means that people can behave here in a manner more egregious (and damaging) than is typical in non-digital spaces. This website needs guidelines to moderate behavior, and those guidelines need to be enforced. Free speech is precious and should be protected for a functional democracy. This means speech must be protected from the government. Chessgames.com can limit speech as much as they choose because it is their site to do with as they please. They are not the US government and their censorship is not a violation of anyone's rights. None of us has been forced to be here, we choose to be. I am in favor of greater moderation and stricter guidelines to foster inclusivity and sensitivity among all members. In my absence I see that white supremacists have infiltrated this site and feel comfortable making their racist, violent views public with little fear of consequences. It's repugnant and completely counteractive to a site that would purport to be welcoming to a global public interested in chess and sharing that interest freely with others. My sincere hope is that the difficult but necessary steps are taken to improve the public forum on this site to continue what has been (until recently) a great space for research and discussion about chess and its history. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: < suenteus po 147: Online moderation is a thankless job, but it's necessary. The relative anonymity and the potential for abuse means that people can behave here in a manner more egregious (and damaging) than is typical in non-digital spaces.> Dead wrong.
Just consider how the libs, like ANTIFA and BLM, block the highways (which prevent ambulances and emergency vehicles from getting through) and have the nerve to call that free speech. Or how about the <Free Speech>, as it was characterized, of the 300+ "peaceful protests" that burned American cities from coast to coast, got people killed, police stations set on fire, entire downtown sections of big cities smashed and looted - and that was how the libs celebrate <free speech>. So no, people on the chess website who have political views different than your own are <not> doing <anything> more dangerous than what happens in the real world. <Susan>, do you see how these non-Americans are so - unAmerican? They do not respect free speech. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <stone free or die: How about calling for the blood of <CG> members to flow on the street?> You mean when <Keypusher> told <GW> to put a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger? Or do you mean <al wazir> when he called for putting Christians in concentration camps? When <al wazir> called for the torture and murder of people who support Trump, including those on the Rogoff page? Yeah, I didn't see you upset about any of that. Cry me a river, <Zanzibar>. Nobody feels bad for you. This is a digital war over free speech, and just like in real life, the free speechers are winning again. |
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Jun-30-22
 | | perfidious: The recent post regarding the necessity of an American moderator is pure twaddle--without a sense of fair play and common decency, no-one could possibly serve in that role. Allowing that poster in that role would be disastrous and likely spell the end of CG as we know it. |
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Jun-30-22 | | 0ZeR0: <suenteus po 147: Online moderation is a thankless job, but it's necessary. The relative anonymity and the potential for abuse means that people can behave here in a manner more egregious (and damaging) than is typical in non-digital spaces. This website needs guidelines to moderate behavior, and those guidelines need to be enforced. Free speech is precious and should be protected for a functional democracy. This means speech must be protected from the government. Chessgames.com can limit speech as much as they choose because it is their site to do with as they please. They are not the US government and their censorship is not a violation of anyone's rights. None of us has been forced to be here, we choose to be. I am in favor of greater moderation and stricter guidelines to foster inclusivity and sensitivity among all members. In my absence I see that white supremacists have infiltrated this site and feel comfortable making their racist, violent views public with little fear of consequences. It's repugnant and completely counteractive to a site that would purport to be welcoming to a global public interested in chess and sharing that interest freely with others. My sincere hope is that the difficult but necessary steps are taken to improve the public forum on this site to continue what has been (until recently) a great space for research and discussion about chess and its history.> What a fair, well-reasoned, and wise post. I can only add that I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here, and I hope that the administrator will seriously take it into consideration. |
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Jun-30-22 | | stone free or die: <<0ZeR0> What a fair, well-reasoned, and wise post. I can only add that I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here, and I hope that the administrator will seriously take it into consideration.> Absolutely concur. |
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Jun-30-22
 | | Check It Out: <<Susan Freeman: Obviously, the powers of moderators have been misused, and it has to stop. <Big Pawn: Obviously. It's way out of control. How did it get like this again?>> The buck stops at the top.
Moderators need to have specific guidelines. Right now they are being enforced ad hoc. |
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Jun-30-22 | | suenteus po 147: <Big Pawn> This isn't your Fox News chessforum, and the examples you provided are examples of political speech protected by the US Constitution from government suppression. In addition to being completely wrong, you also wildly misrepresent your numerous examples. Take it from a PhD in English (you know, the language you and I are both writing) when I say language (spoken and written language) can be violent. A conscientious website has a responsibility to create a safe space for all who would enter and participate. You are the one with the political views who will not brook differing viewpoints. There are plenty of places for you to shout your toxic hate speech into the void. This site doesn't need to be one of them. |
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Jun-30-22
 | | Check It Out: <User: Stonehenge>. That guy is out with a bomb. He did an amazing amount for this site. |
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Jun-30-22
 | | Check It Out: <Susan> Your website is falling to pieces. It's your baby via <Daniel>. A valuable, worthy community based around the love of chess. Is provocateur <BP> really your go-to? |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <perfidious: The recent post regarding the necessity of an American moderator is pure twaddle--without a sense of fair play and common decency, no-one could possibly serve in that role. Allowing that poster in that role would be disastrous and likely spell the end of CG as we know it.> You would never even know because it would be between me and <Susan> via email. I'm the only reasonable person to put in that position. For one, I don't wear a pink pussyhat. So far, all the libs have abused their position as administrators or mods. Now it's <my> turn, and like Trump, who moved the embassy to Jerusalem in support of the only democracy in the Middle East, I would do a good job and not get any credit for it. <Susan>, it's time for a real American to have the police stick. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <I am in favor of greater moderation and stricter guidelines to foster inclusivity and sensitivity among all members. > Congrats, I just barfed on myself.
Notice the code words in there?
"Inclusivity"
"Sensitivity"
What about inclusivity toward me? What about the "diversity" I bring to this party, where otherwise everyone would be singing the same tune (practically)? What about not posting provocative leftist drivel out of your "sensitivity" to more conservative posters? What about not trashing Russia and Russians over the Ukraine war, out of sensitivity to the Russians on this site, and those whose sympathy lie with them? Oh, I get it. You don't really mean "inclusivity" and "sensitivity". That's just lib-speak for, "Get in line, bend the knee, and be politically correct." You're not fooling anyone with all that crap language. Give us a break. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <suenteus po 147: <Big Pawn> This isn't your Fox News chessforum...> It's not Drag Queen Story Hour either.
You libs don't get to make the rules, force everyone to use your words, force everyone to not say other words, force everyone to think and talk your way. Today, Free Speech wins the day. |
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Jun-30-22 | | Big Pawn: <Take it from a PhD in English (you know, the language you and I are both writing) when I say language (spoken and written language) can be violent.> Bulljive.
Nothing said on this website is as dangerous as an ANTIFA protest shutting down traffic on the freeway, which stops emergency vehicles from getting through, and people who need urgent care dying. A PhD in English? Okay, great. Go read Romeo and Juliet and teach the kids in class what Shakespeare was trying to say. But that's where your extremely narrow field of expertise ends. Don't come here and say that non-liberal opinions are more <dangerous> than in the real world. NEXT! |
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Jun-30-22
 | | Susan Freeman: This is turning into a mini Rogoff, and I won't have it. I am close to erasing this entire, bloated topic. The subject is over. I respect some valuable perspectives. |
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Jun-30-22
 | | MissScarlett: <<just a very disappointed guy CG is dead until it gets bought by a third party.> stonehenge chessforum>
What does this mean? Has he gone - again? What's changed from two days ago? He fouled up and accidentally (?) scrubbed the most popular forum on the site, and now he's taking the moral high ground? A simple apology would have sufficed. What can be done to recover this invaluable resource? |
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