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Sep-05-25
 | | MissScarlett: <However, I do like <Tabanus>'s suggestion of keeping it out of the Recent Kibitz's box> Why?
<give it a dedicated spot on the homepage (along with the other popular non-chess related forums, like <Chessgames - Music> and <Chessgames - Sports>).> Where on the home page? Down at the very bottom where no sod goes? Why treat it differently to any other page? |
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Sep-05-25
 | | jnpope: I was thinking above the regular kibitzing box. |
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Sep-05-25
| | jnpope: Or perhaps at the top of the second column below the daily puzzles. There's a lot of wasted white-space in that second column. But I don't have any say about what is displayed on the homepage. |
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Sep-05-25
| | jnpope: <Susan Freeman: <jnpope> Thank you for the suggestion. I am officially game, and you have my go ahead. I discussed with Steve who expressed some reluctance because it might be difficult to undue. I still say we should take a chance. So Yeah :)> Well, anything I do is completely reversible (old programmer's habit) as you never know when you may need to back-out changes. Ok, I plan on renaming <Kenneth Rogoff> this weekend (probably Saturday during college football as I'll be sitting in front of my computer all day) and will begin moving his games to a new PID that I've created. I'll ask Steve to mark the new <Kenneth Rogoff> PID for non-display and to make the old PID, i.e. the <Chessgames - Politics> PID, displayable. Anything more regarding how and where to display the non-chess forums is really up to you (i.e. just display it as a regular kibitiz or create a separate display area to focus attention to the Music, Sports, and/or Politics forums). |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: <<jn> I'll ask Steve to mark the new <Kenneth Rogoff> PID for non-display and to make the old PID, i.e. the <Chessgames - Politics> PID, displayable. > Exactly opposite the way it should be - perfect for <CG>! |
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Sep-06-25
 | | Susan Freeman: <jnpope> < jnpope: <Susan Freeman: <jnpope> Thank you for the suggestion. I am officially game, and you have my go ahead.
I discussed with Steve who expressed some reluctance because it might be difficult to undue. I still say we should take a chance. So Yeah :)> Well, anything I do is completely reversible (old programmer's habit) as you never know when you may need to back-out changes. Ok, I plan on renaming <Kenneth Rogoff> this weekend (probably Saturday during college football as I'll be sitting in front of my computer all day) and will begin moving his games to a new PID that I've created. I'll ask Steve to mark the new <Kenneth Rogoff> PID for non-display and to make the old PID, i.e. the <Chessgames - Politics> PID, displayable. <Anything more regarding how and where to display the non-chess forums is really up to you (i.e. just display it as a regular kibitiz or create a separate display area to focus attention to the Music, Sports, and/or Politics forums).> I think the category of music, sports, etc.
Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it! |
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Sep-06-25
 | | Check It Out: This is probably a rookie question, but why do you need to migrate Kenneth Rogoff's games if you simply create a new politics forum? I understand wanting to clear KR kibitizing, but there's a lot of on-topic material there too |
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Sep-06-25
 | | Tabanus: <MissScarlett: <However, I do like <Tabanus>'s suggestion of keeping it out of the Recent Kibitz's box> Why?> Because it's signalling that the main purpose of the site is about chess? |
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Sep-06-25
| | Tabanus: <I'll ask Steve to mark the new <Kenneth Rogoff> PID for non-display and to make the old PID, i.e. the <Chessgames - Politics> PID, displayable.> I. e. oppposite of how it should be. I hope revenue will allow a switch later. |
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Sep-06-25
| | MissScarlett: <Because it's signalling that the main purpose of the site is about chess?> Why would that be in doubt on a site called <chessgames.com>? Let's give site visitors a little more credit. They don't need your protection. |
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Sep-06-25
| | Tabanus: Miss, it has already been stated that the main purpose of the site is revenue. And I suppose Susan agree. How much really is this site attracting chess players I wonder. |
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Sep-06-25
| | jnpope: While I most definitely agree with <Tabanus> on a philosophical level (i.e. anchoring the non-chess forums in their own box on the homepage), I also think that it's a stylistic battle for another day. I'm just happy splitting Mr. Rogoff's games into a dedicated chess-related PID and renaming the divergent kibitz to <Chessgames - Politics> so it can join the other non-chess related forums like Music and Sports as a dedicated entity to that topic. |
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Sep-06-25
| | jnpope: <Check It Out: This is probably a rookie question, but why do you need to migrate Kenneth Rogoff's games if you simply create a new politics forum?> The brief version:
If we just created a new PID for Politics, then folks will still continue to post in <Rogoff> as that's the forum were they would want to continue their discourse. It is much easier to split the player into the new PID and move their games to the new location allowing us to leave the existing on-going discussion in place. If there are relevant posts about Mr. Rogoff and his chess career those can be surgically migrated to the new PID, but that process requires someone on User: Susan Freeman paid staff to perform the task. The "split-and-migration" of games is easier to perform and can be done by any of the volunteer editors who have been granted some administrative duties (i.e. there is a tool that allows us to reassign games to different PIDs). I offered this as a route to take as I've already done it several times: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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Sep-06-25
 | | offramp: Have you seen this?
<Please observe our posting guidelines:No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
Nothing in violation of United States law.
No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
No trolling.
The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
Do not degrade Chessgames or any of <it's> staff/volunteers.
Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.> Its. |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: <Tabanus: Miss, it has already been stated that the main purpose of the site is revenue. And I suppose Susan agree.> Revenue is a primary concern, and always was. Pragmatic concerns dictate that. I'm sure <Suzz> will either delete this, or contest the assertion, but as I've said, we owe her thanks for her financial stake in this enterprise. I believe she's carrying the enterprise; recall her oft repeated statement of not drawing any compensation for herself. I believe her primary goal is the preservation of the legacy of her son's main life work. And <Daniel> ran it pretty much as a one man shop, with modest expectations for earnings. He was the main programmer, moderator, and promoter - which keep operating costs to a minimum. (Originally it was a side gig, only later did he realize it could be self-sustaining.) I don't think it's a terribly expensive site to run - that is, if the cost of hiring out contract programmers isn't included. |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: <<jn> If there are relevant posts about Mr. Rogoff and his chess career those can be surgically migrated to the new PID, ...> Yes, agreed.
<... but that process requires someone on User: Susan Freeman paid staff to perform the task.> No, not necessarily. This could easily be done with AI - in fact, it might actually be a perfect application for the technology. |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: A couple of examples from <Gemini AI>: <Based on the text you provided, the post is predominantly off-topic.Here's the breakdown:
On-topic elements: It mentions "Kenneth Rogoff" (the player) and refers to "CG" (chessgames.com) and a user named "susan," which might be related to the forum's context. Off-topic elements: The vast majority of the post is a political rant about "American values," "free speech," "butthurt libs," "EuroLibs," "inferior countries," and "mean tweets." These are general political arguments and have nothing to do with chess or the specific chess games played by Kenneth Rogoff.> Guess who's playing that old saw?
Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #102995) |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: And this:
<Based on the text you provided, this post is off-topic.While it references users on the forum, the content is a personal attack and a debate about who is a "better Christian" and the "decency or humanity" of other posters. It does not relate to the game of chess or the chess player, Kenneth Rogoff.> Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #102993) |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: And while I know it's off-topic to post on-topic on <Rogoff>, I wanted a counter-example to test <Gemini>: <Based on the text you provided, this post is on-topic.It directly references the chess player, Kenneth Rogoff, and provides a link to his biography which details his "chess experiences." This is directly relevant to the player and the subject of chess.> Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #103000) |
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Sep-06-25
| | jnpope: <Susan Freeman>
The deed is mostly done. There are still some lingering display issues that should resolve themselves in the next 24 hours (or whenever the "normalizing" routine runs again).
Chessgames - Politics
I've posted a request asking Steve to make it visible under the Recent Kibitzing area (but you may have to ask him directly). |
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Sep-06-25
| | Check It Out: <jnpope> Thank you. I think this move to a CG - Politics page is a good one, though I wonder if Kenneth Rogoff himself will be disappointed that his forum is no longer a hotbed of discussion. |
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| Sep-06-25 | | stone free or die: <<CIO> I wonder if Kenneth Rogoff himself will be disappointed that his forum is no longer a hotbed of discussion> An interesting question.
Somehow I doubt <Rogoff> would be disappointed by the move. |
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Sep-07-25
| | jnpope: Here are the things that changed:
Chessgames - Politics
1) Renamed to <Chessgames - Politics> in the longname field, and to <Politics> in the shortname field.
2) Rogoff games migrated out of this PID.
3) Stub game added (otherwise the "player" won't show up in a search).
4) Swapped the bio text out with the boilerplate <Chessgames - X> forums.
5) Replaced the image with a Creative Commons freely usable image.
6) Removed additional Rogoff data (FIDE number, birthdate, etc.).Kenneth Rogoff2
1) Moved bio from the old PID, including image and additional data.
2) Moved games to this PID.
3) Currently named <Kenneth Rogoff2> until I get the "all clear" from Steve, at which point it can be safely renamed to <Kenneth Rogoff>. |
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Sep-07-25
 | | HeMateMe: I don't think cg.politics will bring in any more traffic than cg.Rogoff, unless you make recent posting visible to curious onlookers, passerby folks. I thought your goal was to increase web site traffic? |
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| Sep-07-25 | | stone free or die: I think the ultimate goal is to liberate Kenneth. (Do you really think <CG> is going to replace <4chan>?) |
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