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| Sep-06-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < zanzibar: <tga> <THERE IS NO ONE ELSE LIKE ME ON CG.COM> Delusional #1 - but yes, I agree, there is no one else on <CG> who wants to discuss the physics of Godzilla seriously.> Still smarting over that?
Of course Godzilla is fiction, but radioactivity and nuclear energy are real. These subjects are within the domain of physics and lend themselves to serious discussion. You can even take courses on these topics, at a university, to expand your understanding. I encourage anyone with an interest to do so. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < zanzibar:
<<<So far you have been PURPOSEFULLY going to forums that I read, to post your ideas for dictatorial control.>>> Delusion #2 - You think I follow you around from forum to forum?!> You misrepresent what I said.
I did not say you follow me around. I said you go to the forums that I read, to post your stuff. Can you not understand the difference? |
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| Sep-06-18 | | thegoodanarchist: < jessicafischerqueen: Many biographies are scant because there is no systematic work order. Editors freely choose which bios to work on. Mystery: solved.>
Do you really think my point was that this is a mystery? I've seen a lot of misinterpretations of my posts, but few this large. <This issue has nothing to do with <Jim>, or anything <Daniel> did.> We wouldn't be talking about it if <Jim> wasn't harping on it! So yeah, it kinda does have A LOT to do with <Jim> posting about it. <If any of you wants to beef up stubby bios of worthy candidates, if this website ever starts functioning again, get off your ass and volunteer to become an editor.> Off topic. Another red herring, actually. This isn't about beefing up stubby bios! You are going off-topic why, exactly? So you can preach to me from a soapbox? <Then get off your ass and do some of the work yourselves, instead of complaining.> 1. I wasn't complaining, I was trying to get people to think about what, exactly, <Jim> was doing. The fact that he didn't disagree with my suggestion is FAR MORE evidence of good motive than you hollering at me. <Also educate yourself about the why the current state of bios is the way it is,> Again, not the topic.
<before indulging in idiotic conspiracy theories about <Jim's> "ulterior motives."> Another erroneous characterization. It's no secret that Jim was banned from So's page. That's about as much of a "conspiracy" as saying the sky is blue. <Less idle gossip, more work- from *you*. > I will work, or not, as I damn well please. You know what you can do with your orders. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | thegoodanarchist: Don't make the mistake of thinking I am a feminist in any way, shape or form. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | rogge: Sure you are :)
<default child custody has to go to the father in a divorce. It should be mandatory, no exceptions, that a wife divorcing her husband show cause to deprive him of his children> |
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Sep-06-18
 | | saffuna: <tga><We wouldn't be talking about it if <Jim> wasn't harping on it! So yeah, it kinda does have A LOT to do with <Jim> posting about it.> I made one post about bios last week. Then other people disagreed with my opinion and I responded. <Another erroneous characterization. It's no secret that Jim was banned from So's page. That's about as much of a "conspiracy" as saying the sky is blue.> It's no secret only because I chose to announce it. I was banned by Wesley So, not chessgames. This occurred right after I wrote that the bio should be historically accurate. |
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Sep-06-18
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I'll stand by every word I wrote. The only issue at hand, it seems, is the attempt to impugn <Jim's> correct stance on the <So> biography. This attempt is a non-starter. <Jim> and <Ohio> were the only two to mount any kind of serious public opposition to <So's> successful attempt to turn his bio into a press release. This is the only issue that matters to me, and it's the only issue that matters to anyone who actually cares about doing academically sound research at chessgames.com Many of you (<The Good Anteater> I wasn't attempting to single you out- I saw <diceman's> post and didn't even realize he had reposted you in particular) have indeed been harping on this phantom "ulterior" motive from <Jim>, which is an irresponsible fantasy driven 100% by personal animus towards <Jim>, a fantasy that has obscured the actual issues. I addressed the only issue that matters to me, or to any other actual historian. You have wasted your time and everyone else's time on this childish witch hunt, and worse, you have obscured the actual issue, which is an academic historical issue. |
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Sep-06-18
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<Bureaucrat> 100% agrees with <Jim>. <OhioChessFan> 100% agrees with <Jim>. I also agree 100% agree with <Jim>. Please leave the historical work to actual historians, and limit your personal animus towards other members to the <Rogoff> page. Let those of us who have dedicated thousands of hours to improving this database to even a semblance of an academically rigorous history make the calls. <Daniel> accepted us as editors for a reason. |
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Sep-06-18
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I'll just finish by reminding all that this website currently has no webmaster. Who knows the exact state of affairs currently operative on the <So> page? I think the editors should wait until an actual webmaster emerges, if that ever happens. Nobody knows what that will look like, or what kind of character that webmaster might have. Under these conditions, I think it pointless to start any new operations on the <So> page. Who knows what <Gm So> might say or do if one of us attempts to recover his *actual* biography, rescuing it from its current status as a press release. I doubt it is even safe for an editor to make any changes there under the current condition of uncertainty. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | TheFocus: <jessicafischerqueen: <Bureaucrat> 100% agrees with <Jim>. <OhioChessFan> 100% agrees with <Jim>. I also agree 100% agree with <Jim>.> I don't often agree with <Jim>, but in regard to the <So> page, I am 100% in agreement, and I have said this before also. <Jim> is right about the bio. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | TheFocus: <JFQ> <Under these conditions, I think it pointless to start any new operations on the <So> page. Who knows what <Gm So> might say or do if one of us attempts to recover his *actual* biography, rescuing it from its current status as a press release.> Who gives a flying dam what Wesley would say or do? He doesn't run this site. <I doubt it is even safe for an editor to make any changes there under the current condition of uncertainty.> ROFLMAO!!!
Didn't you just say: <Please leave the historical work to actual historians> Then why don't the historians and editors get off their butts and repair the bio? Are y'all shaking in your boots that Wesley might get his feelings hurt? Perhaps none of you has the nuts to do it? |
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| Sep-06-18 | | JimNorCal: A small but noticeable repair: there is mobile device data and a separate set of data that is displayed on standard devices.
For weeks Daniel Freeman has been the Player Of The Day on my iPhone. That includes earlier today. Now Ribli is PotD. Hopefully all devices are now in sync. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | JimNorCal: The following moves me to observe that, "soon", Sargon should be given resources sufficient to hire a backup. Even if the person is junior, having a trained replacement allows the site to handle vacations, sickness, unavoidable interruptions and (God forbid) death or incapacitation. Aug-27-18 chessgames.com: Sorry ladies and gentlemen, I was exhausted and slept late, and nobody backed me up... |
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| Sep-06-18 | | zanzibar: <JFQ> I would join in too, but it would be a little late for me... I already broke a chain-letter, and look what happened to me! . |
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| Sep-06-18 | | fabelhaft: With the So hagiography, what’s worse than Polgar not being mentioned is the repeated fake results, i.e. So being listed as having finished third in events where he finished fifth, etc. |
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| Sep-06-18 | | Boomie: My favorite example of bio negligence at CG is the appallingly scant bio for Paul Keres. Compare this to the bios bloated by fanboys: Paul Keres I have brought Keres bio to the attention of the editors both here and at the Bistro, before Daniel's demise, with little response and no effect. Paul Keres was arguably the strongest player to never get to a WC match. He showed the greatest respect for chess and for all chess players. We owe him at least a proper bio. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | Tabanus: <Boomie> See jfq's good post. The editors here are regular members who choose what to work with. They are not obliged to do anything. And they are few. Complaining has no point, please do it yourself, or recruit other to do it. I agree the bio is bad, but that's not my fault, not jfq's fault, not Ohio's fault, etc. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | Tabanus: I told Daniel to hire a biographer. If the new management decides to do so, his/her identity should probably be unknown to us. It would be the least thankful job on earth. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | tpstar: Wesley So is the only elite player who visits here, and his pro-Wesley fans are thrilled to see him. Like all name players, he must pick his spots carefully when posting due to the global threat of Carlsen Fanboyism, but we are glad that he feels welcome on his own page. The pro-Wesley/anti-Wesley split of May 2015 was a key event in site history - I wonder who keeps track of such things - leading to a much better atmosphere for Wesley So fans worldwide, and a much safer environment for juniors and students. Considering the five individuals who were banished from the Wesley So page since then - I wonder who keeps track of such things - Team Wesley is clearly trying to limit and prevent more damage. The first ulterior motive is that anti-Wesley posters are still burned after being banished, thus they are exploiting the late Webmaster's death attempting to sneak back in. The second ulterior motive is how repeat offenders are used to being rewarded with special treatment based on false narratives and revisionist history; under President Obama, they could go looting and rioting all they wanted, then someone else would clean up their mess. The third ulterior motive is the issue of control: they are insanely jealous that they cannot control his biography, meaning the content will never be satisfactory in their eyes. The fourth ulterior motive is they are desperate to be relevant, so involving themselves in his personal business (Webster, parents, Susan Polgar) gives them something to do. The fifth ulterior motive is Wesley So is a straight man and White Hispanic, yet social justice warriors hate straight men and White Hispanics. Once again, the significance of the Wesley So player page biography is being blown way out of proportion to reality as certain people cannot make it through their day without controversy. Team Wesley was given explicit control over the biography in 2017, and User: Wesley So was granted Editor privileges. The new management should be very careful altering the status quo after what happened to Nigel Short in November 2017 - I wonder who keeps track of such things. Before taking any action, they should read the Wesley So page from the top. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | saffuna: <tpstar><Team Wesley was given explicit control over the biography in 2017, and User: Wesley So was granted Editor privileges. > This is not true, according to what DF wrote me in two emails. The Wesley So bio is written the same way all bios are written. And if this were true, it should be clearly stated that the bio is not written according to historical standards, but is controlled by "Team Wesley." In April 2017 the administrator wrote the following: Apr-14-17
<Premium Chessgames Member chessgames.com: <saffuna>
<Are the player bios intended to be historical and accurate, or are they simply what the player wants written about himself?>They are certainly intended to be accurate. While I fully confess a bias toward positive achievements there should be absolutely nothing false or anything contentious or unsubstantiated. <Do players have right of approval over the bios on their player pages?> No, absolutely not. >
"No, absolutely not."
Now if "Team Wesley" has been given that power since April 2017, I would certainly like to read where that was announced. But I don't believe that happened. |
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Sep-07-18
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Premium Chessgames Member chessgames.com:
Please don't labor under the misconception that Wesley has the final word on his page, and place trust in our backup system.> |
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| Sep-07-18 | | TheFocus: <tpstar> <The fifth ulterior motive is Wesley So is a straight man and White Hispanic, yet social justice warriors hate straight men and White Hispanics. > Why area you calling Wesley a White Hispanic? |
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Sep-07-18
 | | saffuna: <tpstar><The fourth ulterior motive is they are desperate to be relevant, so involving themselves in his personal business (Webster, parents, Susan Polgar) gives them something to do.> Once again, speaking for myself, my objections to the Wesley So bio relate to the omission of information about his chess career, not his personal life. I have never asked that information on his personal life be included in the bio. |
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| Sep-07-18 | | Big Pawn: <tuna>, you're just causing trouble, trolling. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | saffuna: <big pawn> I am responding to <tpstar>'s long post above. |
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