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lostemperor
Member since Feb-18-03 · Last seen Feb-02-25
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<FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS' CONTEST FORUM>

Predict the final standings of Tata Steel tournament January 12

Format example to post your predictions

1.Caruana
1. Erigaisi
3. Gukesh
4. Abdusattorov
5. Wei Yi
5. Harikrishna
5. Praggnanandhaa
8. Giri
9. Keymer
10. Fedoseev
11.Van Foreest
12. Sarina
12. Warmerdam
12. Mendonca

Good Luck!


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Some years ago I came up with a new but simple system to calculate the final standings of a tournament including all players. This is how it goes:

For each correct standing you'll get a maximum amount of points. Each prediction deviation from the actual player standing in the tournament, will deduct one point from your total (ABSOLUTE RANKER).

In case of a shared player's standing the average standing counts (both actual and in your predictions).

The SQUARE RANKER, squares your predictions' deviations. Here only medals are awarded if the winner s is not the same person s as in the absolute ranker.

Same goes for the The PAIR BETTING RANKER compare all possible pair outcomes of the tournament participants.

The three best predictions will get Real Virtual Gold Silver and Bronze!

Note: only one set of medals is awarded (in the absolute ranker) unless another ranker produces a different winner.

Special thanks to <YouRang> who made a software to calculate these numbers.

Our new contest manager for game results prediction User: Golden Executive during the tournament also ([1-0], [1/2], [0-1])!

or predict the # of moves in User: ohiochessfan organized by <chessmoron>

Enjoy!


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<HALL <OF> FAME>

WannaBe 10♔ 5♕ 4♖

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♔♔♔♔♔ ♔♔♔♕♕♕♕♖♖♖♖SwitchingQuylthulg

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♔♔♔♔♔♕♕♕♕♕♖♖♖YouRang

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♔♔♔♔♕♕♕♖Aurora
♔♔♔♔♕♕♖suenteus po 147
♔♔♔♔♖♖♖Penguincw

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♔♔♔♕♕♕♖♖♖lostemperor
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖♖♖chessmoron
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖rogge
♔♔♔♕♕♖cromat
♔♔♔♕♖Robin01
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♔♔♕♕♕♕WinKing
♔♔♕♕♕♖percyblakeney
♔♔♕♖♖♖yalie
♔♔♕♖wordfunph
♔♔♕♖Ragh
♔♔♕♖Ezzy
♔♔Golden Executive
♔♔SloVice
♔♔positionalgenius
♔♔amadeus

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♔♕♕♕♕♖♖OhioChessFan
♔♕♕♖Diademas
♔♕♖nimh
♔♕♖ahmadov
♔♕♖CHESSBOOKIE
♔♕Keysersoze
♔♕Where is my mind
♔♕Appaz
♔♖♖moronovich*
♔♖Golden Executive*
♔♖Montreal1666
♔♖Troewa

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♔Beholder
♔juan31
♔wtwz
♔Twinlark
♔SoUnwiseTheKnight B4
♔NGambit
♔benjinathan
♔DCP23
♔firebyrd
♔kellmano
♔Stonehenge
♔cu8sfan
♔larrewl
♔babakova
♔djmercury
♔mikejaqua
♔Joshka,
♔SnoopDogg
♔Like a GM

*may be incomplete

♔ Gold
♕ Silver
♖ Bronze


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   lostemperor has kibitzed 7712 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-02-25 lostemperor chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: <Keyser Soze>,<0ZeR0>,<Penguincw> won gold each! Congratulations!
 
   Apr-20-24 Golden Executive chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: It is fixed! I had an expert looking at it.
 
   Jan-18-24 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: Betcha you. Right damn
 
   Jan-11-24 Tata Steel Masters (2024) (replies)
 
lostemperor: ♔♕♖ Announcement ♔♕♖ Join the annual Tata Teel Chess final standings prediction contest at lostemperor chessforum 1. Ding 2. Nepomniachtchi 3. Firouzja 4, Giri 5. Praggnanandhaa 6. Maghsoodloo 7. Vidit 8.Wei 9. Abdusattorov
 
   Feb-26-23 WR Chess Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: The predictions' winners on the final standings of WR Chess on my forum <Penquincw>♔, <Golden Executive>♔, <Chesschronicle22>♕, <OhioChessFan>♕, <Messiah>♖
 
   Jan-30-23 Tata Steel Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: Winners of the TATA STEEL CHESS 2023 FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTION'S CONTEST at my forum <Firouzjias>♔♔♖, <tuttifrutty>♔♕♖, <lostemperor>♕♕, <Messiah>♖
 
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FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS

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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 141 OF 285 ·  Later Kibitzing>
May-20-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <So the player with lowest rating on top and the highest rating at the bottom. The reverse order would have won the pair betting ranker:) >

Ouch. So much for my nuanced analysis.

May-20-13  WinKing: I appreciate the update in the HOF medals <lostemperor> but I think I'm listed in the wrong category. I have two golds & two silvers now don't I?

<lostemperor: <Golden Executive> ( 1st absolute and 1st square ranker), <WinKing> (1st absolute ranker, 2nd Square ranker, 2nd Pair betting ranker) and <twinlark> (1st pair betting ranker) are the winners of this exciting tournament! Bronze goes to <fgh> <Diademas>* and <SwitchingQuylthulg> Congratulations!!>

I had one gold to begin with.

May-20-13  WinKing: I think <twinlark> also won a gold medal <lostemperor> but I don't see his name listed in the HOF.
May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Uhm correct me if I am wrong <WinKing> you won another ♔ and another ♕! I though I added that yesterday. Did you already had silver before? If so I made a mistake as I also thought I added <twinlark> but had not obviously. Thanks.
May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: I read another can't miss tournament is already on the horizon <TAL MEMORIAL 2013> http://www.chessdom.com/tal-memoria... June 12 -24. So I hope we can have another representative Prediction Game! Bets are open:)

List of participants:

1. Carlsen
2. Kramnik
3. Karjakin
4. Anand
5. Caruana
6. Nakamura
7. Mamedyarov
8. Morozevich
9. Gelfand
10. Andreikin

May-21-13  WinKing: <lostemperor: Uhm correct me if I am wrong <WinKing> you won another K and another Q! I though I added that yesterday.>

Ok then I need an explanation <lostemperor> about the scoring system because I'm really confused. I was second in both Square Ranker & Betting Ranker>. Why do I only get one silver?

<lostemperor: <WinKing> (1st absolute ranker, 2nd Square ranker, 2nd Pair betting ranker)>

Also if what you have above is correct then you still have me listed in the wrong category. The way you have my medal count listed now I should be below <Ezzy> & above <SloVice>.

May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: I had you in the wrong category indeed <WinKing>. My mistake, thanks for pionting that out! But the medals were right since you had one ♔ before the Norway tournament.

There is a rule that the same person or persons cannot get two gold in one contest because iy happens too often that one and the same person gets two or three gold in one contest. That would inflate the Hall of fame medals unnecessarily and its clarity. I should put this rule in my profile but have explained it times before. Read also my recent comments on this tournament awards May 18.

Many has won double or triple ♔ in the past and also get one ♔. I would say most of the Hall of famers. It would not benefit the clarity to give two or three gold for one contest. Otherwise this time <Golden Excecutive> has won double ♔ also. People like <YouRang> would have had over 10 ♔} if in each contest they could win more than one Crown. Even you had double Crown in Tatasteel chess but got one in the Hall of Fame. This goes back all the way back from the start of these contests that noone wins more tham one crown unless another ranker produce a different winner also. ( Though when I started this Game I can only calculate the absolute ranker by heart!)<and of course also not more than one silver or bronze unless a ranker produce a different winner>. This time the ♙air betting ranker produced a different winner <twinlark> so a new set of medals is awarded! ♗ut the square ranker had the same winner <Golden Executive> and was therefore not awarded a new set of medals.

In case a player is disadvantaged by this rule by getting no medal at all, he or she will get a medal (♕ or ♖ what happened to <Diademas> this time). I have kibitz this several times but it is easy to miss. Hope this helps. If you have any questions please let me know.

May-21-13  WinKing: <lostemperor: Even you had double Crown in Tatasteel chess but got one in the Hall of Fame.>

Yes, I understood <lostemperor> about the 'no two golds' in one contest rule. I never questioned that. My question is about the silver medals. So what you are saying is that you can not win two silvers in any one contest either. Is this correct?

May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Simpy put: only one set of medal ♔♕♖is awarded per contest unless a differnt ranker produces a different gold winner.
May-21-13  WinKing: Ok I just saw this in your last post.

<lostemperor: and of course also not more than one silver or bronze unless a ranker produce a different winner>.

I think I've got it now. Your ways of distributing medals is a bit unusual but I'm slowly getting the hang of it. Thanks for answering my questions <lostemperor>.

May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <WinKing> I now have put it above in one sentence: <only one set of medals is awarded per contest unless a different ranker produces a different gold winner>

The one gold rule is actually a one set of medal rule. But if the three rankers produce three different gold medalist, it is possible to win two or three silver, bronze or even gold. As far as I can remember no one has ever won more than one gold in one contest but I believe it has happened before that because of two or three sets of medals awarded in a past tournament, someone has won more than one silver or bronze.

May-21-13  WinKing: To avoid these kinds of questions again & again <lostemperor> you might want to list the ways(if any) to obtain 2♔'s or 2♕'s in one contest. If this is not possible it should be stated as such above in your bio.
May-21-13  WinKing: Ok you stating that <lostemperor> should help in the future.
May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: I just want to prevent unclear inflation in the HOF over a long period of time! But if you have ideas let me know:)
May-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Good idea <Winking> though I do not understand your second comment: < Ok you stating that <lostemperor> should help in the future.>?
May-21-13  WinKing: <lostemperor: I just want to prevent unclear inflation in the HOF over a long period of time! But if you have ideas let me know:)>

Oh no I get that part about inflation <lostemperor>. I just want to understand how the medals can be won & what are the restrictions.

Before our discussion I actually knew how better to keep score in these games than as to how the medals were distributed. Should be the other way around one would think.

May-21-13  WinKing: Sorry <lostemperor> it should have read:

Ok you stating that <lostemperor> should help *us* in the future.

May-22-13  WinKing: Prediction Contest - lostemperor

TAL MEMORIAL 2013

1. Carlsen
2. Anand
2. Nakamura
4. Kramnik
5. Karjakin
5. Caruana
5. Morozevich
8. Gelfand
8. Mamedyarov
10. Andreikin

May-23-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan:

1. Carlsen
2. Kramnik
3. Caruana
4. Karjakin
5. Nakamura
5. Gelfand
7. Anand
8. Morozevich
9. Mamedyarov
10. Andreikin

May-31-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Not going to mess up this time (hopefully)

1. Anand
2. Carlsen
3. Nakamura
3. Kramnik
3. Caruana
6. Andreikin
7. Karjakin
8. Gelfand
9. Morozevich
10. Mamedyarov

May-31-13  wordfunph: 1. Kramnik
2. Carlsen
3. Anand
4. Karjakin
5. Caruana
5. Gelfand
7. Nakamura
8. Morozevich
9. Mamedyarov
10. Andreikin
Jun-03-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Tal Memorial prediction game scheduled for June 12!
Jun-03-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Here goes nothin'!

1. Carlsen
2. Anand
2. Caruana
4. Kramnik
4. Karjakin
6. Mamedyarov
6. Morozevich
6. Gelfand
9. Nakamura
9. Andreikin

Jun-03-13  YouRang: Tal Memorial, shall finish (roughly) like this:

1. Carlsen
1. Kramnik
3. Karjakin
3. Anand
5. Nakamura
5. Caruana
7. Morozevich
7. Gelfand
7. Mamedyarov
10. Andreikin

Jun-06-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Here the Finals Standings of Tal Memorial 2013 approved by your forum host:

1. Carlsen
2. Kramnik
2. Karjakin
2. Anand
2. Caruana
6. Mamedyarov
6. Gelfand
6. Morozevich
9. Nakamura
10. Andreikin

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