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<FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS' CONTEST FORUM>

Predict the final standings of Tata Steel tournament January 12

Format example to post your predictions

1.Caruana
1. Erigaisi
3. Gukesh
4. Abdusattorov
5. Wei Yi
5. Harikrishna
5. Praggnanandhaa
8. Giri
9. Keymer
10. Fedoseev
11.Van Foreest
12. Sarina
12. Warmerdam
12. Mendonca

Good Luck!


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Some years ago I came up with a new but simple system to calculate the final standings of a tournament including all players. This is how it goes:

For each correct standing you'll get a maximum amount of points. Each prediction deviation from the actual player standing in the tournament, will deduct one point from your total (ABSOLUTE RANKER).

In case of a shared player's standing the average standing counts (both actual and in your predictions).

The SQUARE RANKER, squares your predictions' deviations. Here only medals are awarded if the winner s is not the same person s as in the absolute ranker.

Same goes for the The PAIR BETTING RANKER compare all possible pair outcomes of the tournament participants.

The three best predictions will get Real Virtual Gold Silver and Bronze!

Note: only one set of medals is awarded (in the absolute ranker) unless another ranker produces a different winner.

Special thanks to <YouRang> who made a software to calculate these numbers.

Our new contest manager for game results prediction User: Golden Executive during the tournament also ([1-0], [1/2], [0-1])!

or predict the # of moves in User: ohiochessfan organized by <chessmoron>

Enjoy!


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   lostemperor has kibitzed 7712 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-02-25 lostemperor chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: <Keyser Soze>,<0ZeR0>,<Penguincw> won gold each! Congratulations!
 
   Apr-20-24 Golden Executive chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: It is fixed! I had an expert looking at it.
 
   Jan-18-24 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: Betcha you. Right damn
 
   Jan-11-24 Tata Steel Masters (2024) (replies)
 
lostemperor: ♔♕♖ Announcement ♔♕♖ Join the annual Tata Teel Chess final standings prediction contest at lostemperor chessforum 1. Ding 2. Nepomniachtchi 3. Firouzja 4, Giri 5. Praggnanandhaa 6. Maghsoodloo 7. Vidit 8.Wei 9. Abdusattorov
 
   Feb-26-23 WR Chess Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: The predictions' winners on the final standings of WR Chess on my forum <Penquincw>♔, <Golden Executive>♔, <Chesschronicle22>♕, <OhioChessFan>♕, <Messiah>♖
 
   Jan-30-23 Tata Steel Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: Winners of the TATA STEEL CHESS 2023 FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTION'S CONTEST at my forum <Firouzjias>♔♔♖, <tuttifrutty>♔♕♖, <lostemperor>♕♕, <Messiah>♖
 
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FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS

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Sep-30-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Kramnik lost a match to Shirov in 1998. That was before his prime. Kasparov superb tournament winning streak (1999- 2001), indeed, strangely and strikingly coincide at the same time when he lost his title to Kramnik. So Kasparov was still at his prime when he lost the title. So we got two great champions then.
Sep-30-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Having said this, I will delete the list of greatest geniuses ever, when this world championship match is over since it leads to useless discussions.
Sep-30-06  slomarko: its not just the number of super tourneys they won it is also HOW they won it. lets look at some of kasparov's linares record: 1991 +5
1992 +6
1993 +7
1997 +6
1999 +7
2001 +5
i think those numbers speak for itself. kramnik's victories are mostly at +2. therz no comparision really. kasparov wasnt very good prepaired for the 2000 match but kramnik's refusal to give a rematch to kasparov is very telling. i'm sure if Euwe wouldnt have given Alekhine a chance for rematch there would be still ppl crazy enough to say Euwe was stronger than Alekhine.

Sep-30-06  slomarko: <lostemperor> you also say that to rate someone over somebody you need an expert opinion but you were also citing one book. i'm sure there are >100 books with expert opinion kasparov was stronger. and besides kasparov said that kramnik was the most talented of all players he has ever seen but he's judging others not himself. <What Kasparov was saying, undoubtfully, is that Kramnik in potential could be the greatest! > thats ur flawed interpretation. kasparov said he could be number one not "the greatest".

Sep-30-06  slomarko: and here are the results of the matches both players played in the world championship events first Kramnik:

1994 Kramnik-Kamsky lost
1994 Kramnik-Yudasin won
1994 Kramnik-Gelfand lost
1998 Shirov-Kramnik lost
2000 Kasparov-Kramnik won
2004 Kramnik-Leko drawn

and now Kasparov:
1983 Kasparov-Beliavsky won
1983 Kasparov-Korchnoi won
1984 Kasparov-Smyslov won
1984-85 Kasparov-Karpov abandoned
1985 Kasparov-Karpov won
1986 Kasparov-Karpov won
1987 Kasparov-Karpov drawn
1990 Kasparov-Karpov won
1993 Kasparov-Short won
1995 Kasparov-Anand won
2000 Kasparov-Kramnik lost

Sep-30-06  slomarko: to summarize:
Kramnik played 6 matches won only 2 and lost 3!

Kasparov played played 11 matches and won 8 and lost just 1!

Sep-30-06  slomarko: or if you prefer Kramnik won 33% of matches and Kasparov 72%.
Sep-30-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: What's so special about Kramnik losing from Kamsky and Gelfand. Even Anand lost to Kamsky, who was a prodigy. Gelfand was of course an experienced super GM. One is entitle to lose matches if one is not even 20 years of age yet. Right? How many matches does Kasparov won before he was 20? None? And Fischer? (Fischer won some mini-matches in the candidates tournaments but lost most).

I'm not interested in what they do to others. From 1992 till 2001 this is their mutual record: Garry Kasparov beat Vladimir Kramnik 22 to 21, with 79 draws according to this database. Counting blitz also where kasparov excels. This is an extra ordinary performance of Kramnik, who for many of these years was still just a youthplayer in a big men world vs the Great Champion in his prime! If I'm not mistaken Kasparov only manage to gain a +1 after four years in 1996 in classical games.

Each of them are great. If you think Kasparov was better fine. Kasparov was the greater champion since his prime lasted 15 years. (but not in their mutual confrontation what is truely remarkable feat of Kramnik)

Sep-30-06  slomarko: ok going by that logic you should put Tal in front of Fischer as he won most of their "mutual confrontation". also move Keres in fron of Euwe he won too most of their "mutual confrontations". and how the hell is Alekhine so much behind Capablanca? he destroyed Capablanca in their "mutual confrontation" of 1927.
Sep-30-06  positionalgenius: <lostemperor>Point is the #5 genius of all time would not lose 3 matches. <slomarko>Nice posts.Thats pretty much what I was saying. Don't delete the list.Its your opinion.
Also keene can be rather inpulsive.In the 1990 book "Battle of the titans",about the Kasparov-karpov match,he ranks kasparov #1 all time and Karpov #2! So I think he's a little impulsive.Great writer though.
Oct-01-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: This is what ray keene posted yesterday:

ray keene: "i have just published a massive statistical analysis of all top players ever with prof nathan divinsky- who was the strongest? warriors of the mind edition 2

like it or not our analysis of 19830 games between the elite produced this all time ranking order

1 kasparov
2 karpov
3 kramnik
4 botvinnik
5 smyslov
6 fischer
7 lasker
8 capablanca

topalov came in 22

short 45

seirawan 76"

Kramnik on number 3!

Oct-01-06  chessmoron: <lostemperor> Should Rashid Gibiatovich Nezhmetdinov belong on your 35 greatest chess geniuses?
Oct-01-06  you vs yourself: <Lostemperor> I think you missed this: <Keene: my personal preferred list-as i state in the book is kasparov
lasker
botvinnik
capablanca
alekhine
fischer
morphy
steinitz
petrosian
karpov>

Also, you should look at this: http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Peak...

In all those lists, Anand consistently topped Kramnik. Playing in Kasparov era, Anand also won 4 chess oscars while Kramnik won 1. <Kramnik was admitted into the Botvinnik chess school when he was 12!> Anand had no such opportunity. Now tell me how among <natural> geniuses, Anand and Kramnik are separated so much.

Oct-01-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <chessmoron> I've been thinking about Nezhemetdinov. Maybe this tactical wizard belongs in this list also because he won the Russian championship 5 times.

<you vs yourself> I did not miss that. Anand's ranking is certainly food for thought. My list defintely take account of the strength of a player in his prime. Not just only natural talent anymore since peak strength also is an indication for talent.

Besides this is what Keene said about Anand: <anand came in tenth-the results are based on 19000+ games-every game we cd find-between 101 top players going back to staunton-there is also a chapter by statistician jeff sonas which records things like

highest peak rating
top tournament results
top match results
years at the top
etc

anand came lower than kramnik because kramnik got better results!>

Oct-01-06  positionalgenius: <lostemperor>Hmm.
1.Kasparov(all agree)
2.Karpov(my fav)
3.Kramnik??(hmm)
Fischer at 6 is ridiculous.Capa at #8??
Come now.He must be joking.
Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <you vs yourself> I agree Anand should be ranked in the top 10 as I also once said. And thanks to your reasoning he is.

I think more than Nezhmetdinov, different names comes to mind. Pillsbury is certainly one. Tarrasch too. Greats like Geller and Polugaevsky (who are also known as theoretical giants). Other names are Flohr, Boleslavsky, Ljubojevic. And another player I found in the searchlist of chessgames.com. Someone who in his carreer has beaten Petrosian, Spassky, Fischer and Kasparov according to his biography here. Guess who.

Oct-02-06  slomarko: <Kramnik on number 3!> yes but also kramnik two places behind kasparov. <Capa at #8?? Come now.He must be joking.> capa was a great player but against the elite his results were a little less impressive. he lost the match against Alekhine and in biggest tourneys he was overtaken by lasker (petrograd 1914, New york 1924).
Oct-02-06  positionalgenius: <slomarko>Capa dominated the elite,including Alekhine until 1927.Only Lasker could hold him up,and Lasker is one of the greatest of all time.
Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <1 kasparov
2 karpov
3 kramnik
4 botvinnik
5 smyslov
6 fischer
7 lasker
8 capablanca >

I think Alekhine came in #20 in the <Warriors of the Mind> list. Does anyone know what the criteria for ranking is?

Oct-03-06  slomarko: <positionalgenius: <slomarko>Capa dominated the elite,including Alekhine until 1927> he had hardly dominated the. in the biggest tourney new york 1924 he was overtaken easily by lasker.

<keypusher>
capa 8th and alekhine 20th is absurd really. they probably dont even have a criteria.

Oct-03-06  positionalgenius: <slomarko>Final NY 1924 standings top 3: 1.Lasker 16
2.Capablanca 14.5
3.Alekhine 12
An impressive tourney win.But I need only refer you to this: London 1922.
Oct-03-06  positionalgenius: New york 1927 as well.Did you conveniently forget that?
Oct-03-06  slomarko: Lasker didnt play in both tourneys.
Oct-03-06  positionalgenius: <slomarko>This isn't about lasker its about capa.Follow logic please.
Oct-03-06  slomarko: yes but it proves lasker was a better tourney player than capablanca. thus capa wasnt dominating.
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