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lostemperor
Member since Feb-18-03 · Last seen Feb-02-25
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<FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS' CONTEST FORUM>

Predict the final standings of Tata Steel tournament January 12

Format example to post your predictions

1.Caruana
1. Erigaisi
3. Gukesh
4. Abdusattorov
5. Wei Yi
5. Harikrishna
5. Praggnanandhaa
8. Giri
9. Keymer
10. Fedoseev
11.Van Foreest
12. Sarina
12. Warmerdam
12. Mendonca

Good Luck!


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Some years ago I came up with a new but simple system to calculate the final standings of a tournament including all players. This is how it goes:

For each correct standing you'll get a maximum amount of points. Each prediction deviation from the actual player standing in the tournament, will deduct one point from your total (ABSOLUTE RANKER).

In case of a shared player's standing the average standing counts (both actual and in your predictions).

The SQUARE RANKER, squares your predictions' deviations. Here only medals are awarded if the winner s is not the same person s as in the absolute ranker.

Same goes for the The PAIR BETTING RANKER compare all possible pair outcomes of the tournament participants.

The three best predictions will get Real Virtual Gold Silver and Bronze!

Note: only one set of medals is awarded (in the absolute ranker) unless another ranker produces a different winner.

Special thanks to <YouRang> who made a software to calculate these numbers.

Our new contest manager for game results prediction User: Golden Executive during the tournament also ([1-0], [1/2], [0-1])!

or predict the # of moves in User: ohiochessfan organized by <chessmoron>

Enjoy!


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<HALL <OF> FAME>

WannaBe 10♔ 5♕ 4♖

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♔♔♔♔♔ ♔♔♔♕♕♕♕♖♖♖♖SwitchingQuylthulg

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♔♔♔♔♔♕♕♕♕♕♖♖♖YouRang

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♔♔♔♔♕♕♕♖Aurora
♔♔♔♔♕♕♖suenteus po 147
♔♔♔♔♖♖♖Penguincw

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♔♔♔♕♕♕♖♖♖lostemperor
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖♖♖chessmoron
♔♔♔♕♕♖♖♖rogge
♔♔♔♕♕♖cromat
♔♔♔♕♖Robin01
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♔♔♕♕♕♕WinKing
♔♔♕♕♕♖percyblakeney
♔♔♕♖♖♖yalie
♔♔♕♖wordfunph
♔♔♕♖Ragh
♔♔♕♖Ezzy
♔♔Golden Executive
♔♔SloVice
♔♔positionalgenius
♔♔amadeus

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♔♕♕♕♕♖♖OhioChessFan
♔♕♕♖Diademas
♔♕♖nimh
♔♕♖ahmadov
♔♕♖CHESSBOOKIE
♔♕Keysersoze
♔♕Where is my mind
♔♕Appaz
♔♖♖moronovich*
♔♖Golden Executive*
♔♖Montreal1666
♔♖Troewa

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♔Beholder
♔juan31
♔wtwz
♔Twinlark
♔SoUnwiseTheKnight B4
♔NGambit
♔benjinathan
♔DCP23
♔firebyrd
♔kellmano
♔Stonehenge
♔cu8sfan
♔larrewl
♔babakova
♔djmercury
♔mikejaqua
♔Joshka,
♔SnoopDogg
♔Like a GM

*may be incomplete

♔ Gold
♕ Silver
♖ Bronze


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   lostemperor has kibitzed 7712 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-02-25 lostemperor chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: <Keyser Soze>,<0ZeR0>,<Penguincw> won gold each! Congratulations!
 
   Apr-20-24 Golden Executive chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: It is fixed! I had an expert looking at it.
 
   Jan-18-24 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
 
lostemperor: Betcha you. Right damn
 
   Jan-11-24 Tata Steel Masters (2024) (replies)
 
lostemperor: ♔♕♖ Announcement ♔♕♖ Join the annual Tata Teel Chess final standings prediction contest at lostemperor chessforum 1. Ding 2. Nepomniachtchi 3. Firouzja 4, Giri 5. Praggnanandhaa 6. Maghsoodloo 7. Vidit 8.Wei 9. Abdusattorov
 
   Feb-26-23 WR Chess Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: The predictions' winners on the final standings of WR Chess on my forum <Penquincw>♔, <Golden Executive>♔, <Chesschronicle22>♕, <OhioChessFan>♕, <Messiah>♖
 
   Jan-30-23 Tata Steel Masters (2023) (replies)
 
lostemperor: Winners of the TATA STEEL CHESS 2023 FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTION'S CONTEST at my forum <Firouzjias>♔♔♖, <tuttifrutty>♔♕♖, <lostemperor>♕♕, <Messiah>♖
 
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FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS

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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 51 OF 285 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Mar-01-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Leko lost again with white what isn't good for my rankings either. Although I did expect him to play aggresively this tournament, this is not exactly what I had in mind :)
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Though it was a possible scenario! And better than playing those short draws what is is Leko's reputation. Besides it is no shame to lose to Ivanchuk who is regarded (by insiders) to be the most talented player since .. Bobby Fischer I'd say.

I think I know at least one reason for Leko's sort to say "renewed" attitude in chess. Yesterday evening I went to the first Saturday blitz tournament in my local chess cafe. As usual there is the regular customer, an old acquaintance of mine, a former 2200 rated player from Chinese descend. He is psycologist and use to give unrequested advice to chess players. Mostly meaning belittling your performance. This is not so difficult with me since I'm a weak patzer, though I do sometimes beat him. But he also belittle grand masters. Leko is one of his "friends" and he has been giving him advice since Leko was still a prodigy. Leko did reach the World Championship Final though he would probably have even without those advices.

Now Leko has been getting, asking according to him, advices from him in Corus again. And guess what it worked again:)

Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <ROUND 10 LINARES> you probably haven't missed it. All drawn! Prediction standings remaining the same.
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Leko leads the surprise player ranking:

Amount of deviations per player:

96,Leko
86,Shirov
73,Carlsen
70,Radjabov
66,Ivanchuk
62,Topalov
60,Aronian
34,Anand

Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Open Defence: I would be keen to see how Leko recovers from this slump... I certainly hope his career does not go the way of Shirov or Ivanchuk.. (though they might rise again to the very top as well, and no disrespect to them)
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Don't get me wrong, I think Leko is one of the all time greats! He tied Kramnik in a title match winning two games, something Kasparov could not do once.

Talk about all time greatest players as you can see I have made a top 50 list (in my profile). It has only changed slightly over the last year orso. Mind this is not the players' strength of what I think is at the moment but their place in history.

Carlsen fifth place (over kasparov) is of course an estimate. I don't think he is quite there yet but it seems he even exceeded my expectations here and in Corus! I just noticed that every player in Linares is in my ALL TIME top 50 list and you may have noticed that that list hasn't changed since the beginning of Linares-Morelia.

It seems like fun to have my ALL TIME GREATEST list order of the Linares participants als as a pseudo-fun contestant in the PREDICTION GAME. Since my final standings predictions is not good at the moment, maybe I do better with that list what is not a prediction list. Here the rankings of the Linares players according to my best ever list, with between brackets their place in history based on expert opinions:

pseudo-contestant
<ALL TIME GREATS>
(order according to lostemperor):

1 Carlsen (5)
2 Anand (12)
3 Ivanchuk (17)
4 Topalov (22)
5 Shirov (34)
5 Aronian (35)
7 Leko (40)
8 Radjabov (50)

My careful selected list of this does a lot better than my own predictions for Linares. It is ranked 7th now with 58 points in the prediction standings!

If only for the fun of it:)

Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <Open Defence> that is the 64,000 chessbucks question ;)
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Open Defence: now how did my post get behind your's ? :)
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: That is one of my jedi skills!
Mar-02-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Open Defence: I see you have Anand in 12th BEHIND Carlsen... should India declare war on the Jedi ?
Mar-03-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: JEDI vs INDIA, that would be something. Worthy of another STAR WARS saga! Not even sure about the outcome:)

Anyway, it was Anand who was full of praise of Carlsen, time ago. Also Kasparov I believe. Of course they didn't say that he is better than them =D

Mar-03-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: But I know India is a peace loving nation!

Anand is simply a magnificent player. He has the most first prizes behind Karpov and Kasparov both from the Soviet chess school!

I think these are the players who has won the most strong tournaments:

1. Karpov
2. Kasparov
3. Anand
4. Alekhine
5. Larsen

Kramnik also has plenty of tournaments wins. It would be a while before Carlsen can match these.

Mar-03-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Open Defence: unfortunately Anand had to face Karpov, Kasparov and now one hopes Kramnik, but his results have been impressive
Mar-04-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: The matches with Karpov and Kasparov was unfair to Anand rather than unfortunate. You know the 1998 match with Karpov, where Anand had only three days according to chessgames.com Karpov-Anand World Championship (1998) (I thought it was two weeks) to prepare after winning the knock out marathon.

As to his match with Kasparov, Anand participated in two candidate cycles. In chess, unlike other sports, the World Champion has been always advantaged of not having to play qualification matches before. Anand faced a kasparov armed to the teeth as Kasparov admitted. On the question of why he seems a bit out of form after the match he said that the preparation of his match with Anand was still too dominating. Anand probably learned from this expperience by nnot playing two cycles anymore but only FIDE. This was a sensible decision as it turned out since the FIDE seems the only organisation able to organise these matches. He became world champion in 2000 and now the overall World Champion in 2007.

I think it is a toss up of who will win the Anand - Kramnik match.

Mar-04-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <ROUND 11 LINARES> Leko beat Carlsen and Topalov beat Shirov.

Standings:
1.Anand
2.Aronian, Carlsen, Topalov
5.Radjabov, Ivanchuk
7.Shirov, Leko

<PREDICTION GAME STANDINGS> Maximum score: 68

<amadeus> joins <cromat> in the lead (Both also tied in the square ranker)! Three rounds to go.

Rank,Score,UserID
1t,63,amadeus
1t,63,cromat
3t,61,CHESSBOOKIE
3t,61,Ezzy
5t,59,acirce
5t,59,iron maiden
5t,59,kolobok
5t,59,rogge
5t,59,WannaBe
10t,57,percyblakeney
10t,57,Red October
10t,57,stefan1967
13,56,Comandente
14t,55,ahmadov
14t,55,Dim Weasel
14t,55,yalie
14t,55,Youjoin
14t,55,YouRang
19t,54,ALL TIME GREATS
19t,54,ELO VIRTUAL
21t,53,bumpmobile
21t,53,chessmoron
21t,53,DCP23
21t,53,just a kid
21t,53,lostemperor
21t,53,NakoSonorense
21t,53,Open Defence
21t,53,rgr459
21t,53,TheGladiatres
30t,51,DrawingIsLife
30t,51,SwitchingQuylthulg
30t,51,whiteshark
33t,49,ELO
33t,49,firebyrd
35t,48,suenteus po 147
35t,48,YOUTH
37,47,ASKALTAMAN
38,44,EXPERIENCE
39,41,Aurora

Mar-05-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <ROUND 12 LINARES> Carlsen beat Topalov.

Standings:
1.Anand
2.Carlsen
3.Aronian
4.Topalov
5.Radjabov, Ivanchuk
7.Leko Shirov

PREDICTION GAME STANDINGS
Maximum score: 68

<cromat> leads. With two rounds to go anything can happen!:)

Rank,Score,UserID
1,64,cromat
2t,62,amadeus
2t,62,CHESSBOOKIE
2t,62,Ezzy
2t,62,rogge
6t,60,kolobok
6t,60,percyblakeney
8t,58,acirce
8t,58,ahmadov
8t,58,iron maiden
8t,58,Red October
8t,58,WannaBe
8t,58,Youjoin
14,57,ALL TIME GREATS
15t,56,chessmoron
15t,56,DCP23
15t,56,just a kid
15t,56,stefan1967
15t,56,TheGladiatres
15t,56,YouRang
21t,54,bumpmobile
21t,54,Dim Weasel
21t,54,DrawingIsLife
21t,54,rgr459
21t,54,yalie
26t,53,Comandente
26t,53,ELO VIRTUAL
28t,52,firebyrd
28t,52,lostemperor
28t,52,NakoSonorense
28t,52,Open Defence
28t,52,whiteshark
33t,51,suenteus po 147
33t,51,YOUTH
35,50,SwitchingQuylthulg
36t,48,ASKALTAMAN
36t,48,ELO
38,47,EXPERIENCE
39,44,Aurora

Mar-05-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: The surprise player ranking (biggest upset) for the ♗-, ♘- and ♙-AWARD is now led by Carlsen!

Prediction deviations per player:
74,Carlsen
73,Radjabov
68,Ivanchuk
66,Shirov
64,Leko
62,Aronian
62,Topalov
35,Anand

Mar-07-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: <ROUND 13 LINARES> Topalov beat Leko and Radjabov Shirov.

Standings:
1.Anand 8
2.Carlsen 7.5
3.Aronian, Topalov 7
5.Radjabov 6.5
6.Ivanchuk 6
7.Leko, Shirov 5

As thrilling as it is in Linares with one round to go as exciting is it here! Four men in the lead with 62 points, followed by five men tied at 60.

Pseudo-contestant <CHESSBOOKIE> the betting odds order of chessgames.com bookie game of the members here, does excellent with a virtual first place 64 points, see Morelia-Linares: WINNER.

Today the Grand Final in Linares.

Maximum score: 68
<PREDICTION GAME STANDINGS>

Rank,Score,UserID
1,64,CHESSBOOKIE
2t,62,amadeus
2t,62,cromat
2t,62,Ezzy
2t,62,rogge
6t,60,acirce
6t,60,iron maiden
6t,60,kolobok
6t,60,percyblakeney
6t,60,WannaBe
11t,58,ahmadov
11t,58,Red October
11t,58,stefan1967
11t,58,YouRang
15t,56,bumpmobile
15t,56,chessmoron
15t,56,DCP23
15t,56,Dim Weasel
15t,56,just a kid
15t,56,Youjoin
21t,55,ALL TIME GREATS
21t,55,ELO VIRTUAL
23t,54,DrawingIsLife
23t,54,NakoSonorense
23t,54,Open Defence
23t,54,TheGladiatres
23t,54,yalie
28,53,Comandente
29t,52,firebyrd
29t,52,lostemperor
29t,52,rgr459
29t,52,SwitchingQuylthulg
29t,52,whiteshark
34t,51,suenteus po 147
34t,51,YOUTH
36t,48,ASKALTAMAN
36t,48,ELO
38,45,EXPERIENCE
39,42,Aurora

Mar-07-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: New: for the best predictions on biggest upset/first surprise player, there will be three prizes (countng back from Corus 2008). ♗-, ♘- and ♙-Award

For the second surprise player, there are two awards ♘ and ♙

Best prediction on the third upset, gets the ♙-Award as usual.

Mar-09-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: Sorry for the weekend delay of the Prediction Game Final Standings. I had to lead a chess competion of my club!~

Final standings Morelia-Linares:

1.Anand 9
2.Carlsen 8
3.Aronian, Topalov 7.5
5.Radjabov 7
6.Ivanchuk 6.5
7.Leko, Shirov 5.5

The good news is it was todos tablas or all draws in the final Linares round so we know the four winners of the Gold!

<PREDICTION GAME ON FINAL STANDINGS MORELIA-LINARES 2008>

WINNERS (on tie-break points):

♔62<cromat>
♔62<Ezzy>
♔62<amadeus>
♔62<rogge>

Congratulations!!

Mar-09-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  lostemperor: The tie-break points is decidie by the <SQUARE RANKER>:

Maximum score: 140

Rank,Score,UserID
♔134<CHESSBOOKIE>
♔134<cromat>
♔134<Ezzy>
♖132<amadeus>
♖132<rogge>

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6t,130,kolobok
6t,130,WannaBe
8t,128,acirce
8t,128,percyblakeney
10t,126,iron maiden
10t,126,Red October
12,122,stefan1967
13,120,YouRang
14,116,ahmadov
15t,114,chessmoron
15t,114,just a kid
17,112,Dim Weasel
18,111,ALL TIME GREATS
19t,108,Open Defence
19t,108,Youjoin
21,106,NakoSonorense
22,101,ELO VIRTUAL
23t,100,bumpmobile
23t,100,lostemperor
25t,98,TheGladiatres
25t,98,yalie
27,96,DCP23
28,95,Comandente
29t,92,firebyrd
29t,92,rgr459
29t,92,SwitchingQuylthulg
32,90,DrawingIsLife
33,89,suenteus po 147
34,79,YOUTH
35,72,ELO
36,70,whiteshark
37,66,ASKALTAMAN
38,45,EXPERIENCE
39,24,Aurora

Amazingly <cromat> and <Ezzy> tied for first place (Double Crown winners) 2gether with pseudo-contestant <CHESSBOOKIE>! (Though no extra medal awarded for the Hall of Fame)

Mar-09-08  NakoSonorense: Gee, I always do so bad on this prediction contest... =[

Thanks, <lostemperor>. One day I will win this.. I pLomise.

Mar-09-08  amadeus: <lostemperor>, thanks for running the contest. Congrats to all the winners.
Mar-09-08  YouRang: Thanks <lostemperor>. I think I was #2 or #3 in your list for a while, before things unraveled.

Reviewing my picks:

<prediction>. <player> [<actual>] - <comment>

1. Anand - [1] Great, but hardly unique.
2. Radjabov [5] - Probably my worst pick.
3. Carlsen [2] - Good!
3. Topalov [3] - Great! (but no surprise)
5. Aronian [3] - Not bad, not great.
5. Shirov [7] - Thought he'd be better
7. Ivanchuk [6] - Not bad
8. Leko [7] - Probably my best pick

Overall, the standings didn't have any great surprise, except (perhaps) Leko finishing last. The winner would be determined by little differences.

Mar-09-08  whiteshark: Many thanks for hosting the pleasurable <final standings> prediction contest, <lostemperor>.

Finally you pulled clear away, compared to my fide-backed ranking at least. :D

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